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Steelers and Mike Wallace deal not looking good

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jsizzle, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    It was test. You passed.. Fixed & thanks for the heads up.
     
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  2. shouright

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    I would give long-term contracts to all three actually. Bush is big for me because he's a very good player and has the qualities of a vocal leader. Those guys are hard to come by, and Lamar Miller ain't one of 'em IMO. ;)
     
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  3. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    When I'm grumpy, I'm an ***...knew what you meant.
     
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  4. GreysonWinfield

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    Virtual hug......not
     
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  5. LandShark13

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    Hes been in the league 3 years. He's 26 years old. 72 catches in a single season which is Plenty especially when over that three year period he is averaging just under 19 YARDS PER RECEPTION. That's over 3 Yards per reception OVER what Randy Moss put up. You want a game breaker he's your guy. We already have a couple move the chains guys.

    Hell in his second season he averaged 21 yards per reception. That's mind boggling.
     
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  6. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    For the people that believe "we arent 1 piece away from winning a Super Bowl, so we shouldnt trade for him"... why cant Wallace be considered a piece to help build for the future? Hes 26, and at least going to get a 4-5 year deal... and would be here in his prime for the entire building process. Yes, he helps in the immediate, but that is just a bonus. He will also be very helpful for the future...

    Not to mention he would help the developmental process of our young rookie QB, who's development is the most critcal aspect of this rebuilding process.
     
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  7. jw3102

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    If the Dolphins were one WR away from being a legitimate playoff team, I would have no problem with them going after Wallace. Unfortunately, the Dolphins have numerous holes and I just don't see Wallace being worth the money he wants to sign a long term contract. If they were just looking for a solid #1 receiver, to pay a lot of money to, while still still finishing below 500 for the season. They could have just kept Marshall.
     
  8. sports24/7

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    Just because Anthony Armstrong is a deep threat doesn't mean he's comparable to the best deep threat in the NFL. Mike Wallace is a special player.

    I'm not sure why his number of catches means he isn't a superstar WR. His yards and TDs say he is and if he can put up that kind of production with a lower number on receptions than the other star WRs putting up those numbers, that just means he's being more efficient when he does get the ball.


    In a vacuum maybe that would be true. It isn't a vacuum though. Brandon Marshall wasn't let go because they didn't want to spend money on a #1 WR with a bad team. They got rid of him because they felt he was a cancer that treated his coaches and QBs like trash. That's not Mike Wallace. And I don't get the notion that just because we're going to be bad means we shouldn't go after good players now. Isn't the goal to eventually be an elite team? You're not going to do that with a poor WR group. Wallace is 26 years old. He's only going to get better. And he would make the most important player on the Dolphins roster (Tannehill) better in the process.
     
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  9. RoninFin4

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    I think there are some tough decisions coming any way you slice it. If Sean Smith and Brian Hartline have good years, both of them are guys you'd want back, and both are free agents. I think you can get away with giving Long the franchise tag, and the re-signing probably 2 of the 3 between Starks, Bush, and Hartline. That still gives you some money to play with in free agency if you want to add someone like Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe and make a run at a ballhawking S like Dashon Goldson or someone like that.

    Given the amount of solid, versatile defenders in next year's draft, I think I'd look at re-signing Starks, Smith, and Bush or Hartline, tagging long, and maybe you go after a pass-rusher like Alex Okafor and a LB like Nico Johnson. That gives you someone to play opposite Wake while you try and develop Shelby and Vernon, and perhaps Nico Johnson gives you a viable, cheaper alternative to Dansby or Burnett.

    I just think running backs are more fungible and you don't necessarily need to re-sign Reggie Bush to try and add leaders. I'd like to think that the vocal leaders would be Jake Long and Ryan Tannehill moving forward. Lamar Miller, Daniel Thomas, a healthy Jonas Gray - that's a nice trio of backs IMO.
     
  10. Anonymous

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    You forgot Fasano, who is also a free agent, I think. Personally, I would resign him over Bush.
     
  11. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Exactly. You need talent if you want to win. Holding off on talent because we're not 1 piece away from competing is dumb. There's nothing good about forcing our rookie QB into an awful situation with horrendous WR's either.
     
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  12. RoninFin4

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    Nice catch. I was using KFFL's list; I guess it's not up to date. Adding him in, I'd go:

    1) Franchise tag Jake Long - pay him for 1 year and see if he can remain healthy
    2) Re-sign Randy Starks
    3) Re-sign Anthony Fasano
    4) Re-sign Sean Smith

    After that, I'd base it on how Bush and Hartline perform this year. I think I'd rather make a run at Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe and a S like Dashon Goldson before I'd re-sign either one of them.
     
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  13. first&goal

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    If we don't start to get good players now, we never will be a player away...
     
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  14. xphinfanx

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    On a scale from one to ten I'd give Wallace a seven.
    Wallace thinks he's a fifteen.
    Not a problem solver for us.
     
  15. shouright

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    How they're gotten is the key in this team's situation IMO.
     
  16. shouright

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    It sounds like we probably have a philosophical difference regarding the importance of player leadership.
     
  17. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    What's the difference between drafting a player or trading for 1? Why is drafting one considered better?

    With a drafted player:
    - You're giving up a high pick and a decent chunk of cash
    - The player has not accomplished or proven anything in the NFL
    - The drafted player has, at minimum, a 50% chance of not being successful on the NFL level
    - If they dont bust, it still typically takes a couple of years for them to make a big time impact

    With a traded player:
    - You're giving up a high draft pick and a large chunk of cash
    - The player has proven over multiple seasons that he can play at a high level in this league and is deserving of being paid
    - Not only would a guy like this help in the short term, but would also be a building block for the future
    - After shipping out our top talent, it shows the locker room that you do in fact want to win and are trying your hardest to do so. And after this past offseason, that would be a very powerful message to send after the previous "messages" that have been sent to the players by shipping out trouble makers/unprofessional players. "We aren't going to tolerate any bull**** or players not giving this team everything they have... but damnit we are going to do everything in our power to win every game as possible."


    Oh, and it helps our rookie QB, who's development is more important than any message, team leadership, or team culture you could have...
     
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  18. Fin D

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    I dunno, bro.

    It seems to me the best teams in the NFL build through draft like the Packers, the Giants, the Steelers.

    I also think its pretty presumptuous to assume that the message of winning now hasn't been given to the players.
     
  19. shouright

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    There are players on this team who are deserving of long-term contracts IMO. If you haven't yet rewarded them with those, and all you've done is ship out several of their teammates who can help them win, I don't think your next step can be rewarding a player from another team.

    Get players like Reggie Bush, Jake Long, and Randy Starks on board and in it for the long haul, and then take a look at how they can be helped by signing guys who can add to the puzzle physically.

    My point has nothing to do with the draft versus trade. It has to do with the dynamics on this team at the present moment as I'm seeing them.
     

  20. Reggie had 1 better then expected season for us what exactly has that earned him other then the opprotunity to show us it on the field again.

    Long is a beast when healthy and is the highest player on our team so how is it that he has not been fairly compensated?

    Starks I have no idea what he makes or when his contract expires so i have no opinion on him.

    I just do not understand why a player would be resentful toward a team mate coming in via FA and getting paid well for his services if the general expectation is that he will come in and do well. If anything they all should appriciate that miami rewards high performance players by offering them fair contracts. Its not like we are the Bucs who spend nothing on anything or anyone.
     
  21. FinNasty

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    If that's your thought process... then you will never be able to acquire a FA b/c there ALWAYS are going to be players on your roster deserving of long term contracts.
     
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  22. shouright

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    But you will not always be in a situation in which you have a new coaching regime, have just shipped out three veterans who could've helped you physically, and haven't yet rewarded any of your other veterans.

    Right now the example has to be set that this team under Joe Philbin CAN and WILL reward its own players who deserve it, before it goes and does that with some player from another team IMO.

    You can't just ship out your own and ship in the new. You have to reward your own guys as well, and that has to come first IMO.
     
  23. shouright

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    Right, but do the Joe Philbin Miami Dolphins do that with their own players, or do they just ship them out?

    That'll be the question. I think you have to answer that one before you bring on a Mike Wallace and his huge contract.
     
  24. Mcduffie81

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    I see your point. I respectfully disagree. The players would be breathing a sigh of relief. Wallace = more talent = more wins = happy players.
     
  25. shouright

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    I think that would be the typical response on a team in which there were deserved players who had already been given long-term contracts under the current coaching regime.

    Here we have the opposite situation, where that hasn't happened at all, and instead we've had several players shipped out.

    These guys don't just care about winning. They also care about getting what they feel they deserve financially and in terms of job security.

    The last thing they're gonna wanna see right now IMO are those things given to a player from another team, after watching their own teammates get shipped out and getting none of it themselves.
     

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