[Merged] Dolphins-Skins talking swap of Anthony Armstrong for Steve Slaton

Nate Garner? C'mon dude.

And yes, Welker has been mentioned. The exception is not the rule.

 

Did this trade go down?

 

No confirmation that I can find, but sirius xm is also reporting "two trades by Fins, Cook to Dallas and AA for Slaton, but that's not confirmation either...

 

The problem is, it's not just this. There's a pattern here. You can rationalize this as getting a player for "free" because we're deep at RB, but the truth is it's still a net-negative.

 

Do you remove all objectivity when it comes to anything Miami does wrong and automatically lump it in as another reason to roast Ireland?

You realize Dan Henning was our OC in 2009?.... And Sparano was the HC? Do you honestly think those 2 gave a crap about an undersized speed receiver? At least Ireland recognized his talent in the Arena League and brought him into the NFL. If Ireland wants him back it could mean it wasn't his decision to cut him in the first place, you know---- since the coaching staff makes those decisions, or do you think they just sit around and twiddle their thumbs during this process?

 

Would be very Dolfanesque to go through all of this just to have nothing happen!

 

Yeah...here's the latest from Washington post guys....but still not confirmed


http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/8/31/...-with-dolphins-to-trade-anthony-armstrong-for

 

I'm fairly certain the yds/target metric I shared supports my opinion on Armstrong's ability as a deep threat.

 

He's not the exception. There are plenty of players that started off on other teams that were practice squad players or only made a couple games that moved on and contributed. I only pointed out Nate Garner & Wes Welker cause they are examples from our OWN team. Same with Atari Bigby. Safety that we used to have and went on to play well for Green Bay after he was waived by Miami and NY. That's 3 examples involving Miami alone. Yah..such an exception.

 

So if we traded a first and second for Aaron Rodgers would it be a "net loss" and a bad move since we passed on him in the draft with our first, or would it be a great deal?

 

I think the hate for Ireland clouds opinions here a little bit sometimes.

First, the NFL is full of Anthony Armstrongs -- athletic guys who aren't physically incapable of being starters, but just don't seem to make plays. It's especially prevalent in the WR position, because there's not a lot that physically separates guys like Victor Cruz from guys like Anthony Armstrong. It's why the WR position is notoriously hard to predict, and why the bust percentages on drafted WRs are so high. So, Roberto Wallace is an Anthony Armstrong. Sometimes, guys like that figure it out and get a little better. Most times, they don't. I don't blame Jeff Ireland for "missing" (I use that word REALLY lightly) on Armstrong. The guy is a capable #3 WR on THIS team. He's not a capable #3 on most teams. So, is he really such a big "miss"?

Second, not only did Ireland not really whiff on Armstrong, but he's just playing the cards he's dealt. I'm reminded of poker analogies. We picked up Armstrong a few years ago and he was a 7, 10 suited. Flop came 8, A, K. We folded. That same 7, 10 suited looks a lot more appealing if the flop came 8, 9, 2. The same hand looks a lot different depending on what's on the board.

Third, saying Ireland is "trading" for Armstrong is like saying we "wasted a draft pick" by cutting a 7th rounder. It's easy to get lost in the language there, but what are we really giving up? Steve Slaton's 25 carries this year? We have three very capable RBs, possibly one of the deepest units in the league. Our WRs suck. Is anyone really going to argue that Ireland wouldn't make our team better by executing this trade?

I don't love Ireland either, but I don't think this is an example of him screwing anything up.

 

No I don't Todd.

 

My three absolute keepers were Hartline, Bess and Matthews. After that, Gates and Moore. Gates would be a fourth keeper until I made sure I had a deep threat in the fold that's better than him and Anthony Armstrong was one of only a few on my list for that (another being Aldrick Robinson, whom I take it is the reason the Skins are trading Armstrong? Or did they cut him). Looks like they're putting the cart before the horse by releasing Gates first and then trying to pull off this Armstrong trade...but then, maybe the trade pretty much already is pulled off and it's the media that is behind.

 

That doesn't make sense, so no.

 

Based on the comments from the fans on the website you posted, it doesn't appear many are interested in Slaton. Yet it appears that Armstrong will probably be cut if the trade isn't made. So both teams would only be bringing in each player, to see if they might be an upgrade over what they already have at their respective positions.

I'm not very high on Slaton, so if Armstrong can come in and be the fourth or fifth WR on the team, so be it. What they have now for receivers certainly isn't the cream of the crop by any means.

 

Aldrick Robinson is making the 53, according to reports.

 

Ah well, either one would have been worth it, to me. And if you get a guy like that, Gates goes bye-bye. Redundant.

 

It makes perfect sense. It's having a player at a greater cost than you originally could have.

 

Agreed.

 

No, because the Dolphins never had Rodgers. See the difference?

Either way, if this trade goes down it will have minimal impact on the season so dwelling on it any longer is really pointless.

 

I think you're either purposely neglecting the point or just missing it completely. It has nothing to do with having said player. It's about at what price a player could have been attained vs what he is attained for later.

 

Dude, we're talking about a player the Dolphins initially got for free, gave away, and now have to give up something to get. If you don't see how trading for Aaron Rodgers in this scenario doesn't make sense I don't know what to tell you.

 

Anthony Armstrong sucks. He had a fluke year with McNabb launching deep balls every play a couple years ago, before reality settled in last year. Again, Anthony Armstrong blows. Clyde Gates is an unknown, and I'd gladly take the unkown before I take the known ****ty player. What's the worst that happens? He has 7 catches for 103 yards on the season like Armstrong? Armstrong is nothing more than yet another #4 or #5 WR. Clyde Gates may very well be one of those too or even worse, but I'd give him a chance before I have Anthony Armstrong a chance.

Like I said, Steve Slaton blows so trading him for Anthony Armstrong is a good move. But anybody acting like this is going to make even a marginal impact for our offense is lying to themselves.

 

Really it's gotten to the point that Ireland's detractors are going to view anything ambiguous as a problem.

 

well if you really want to play that game we gave up another player we got for free .........

 

Just as I am certain that the fact he only had 7 receptions all last year, and will probably be cut from the Redskins, if he isn't traded, supports my opinion that he just isn't a very productive receiver in the NFL. I have no problem with the Dolphins bringing him in and giving him a tryout. I just don't expect much from him. You seem to think he would be an upgrade, and I don't.

I have no problem with you expressing your opinion. I just think that you rely too much on things like yds/metric calculations and don't seem to take into consideration that perhaps he might be fast and once in a great while he actually catches the ball. Yet, he is seen as expendable by a Washington team that doesn't have great receivers. So if he isn't good enough to make the Washington Redskins, why would the Dolphins want him?

He may be able to run fast, but his production over the years is not something you expect from a top three receiver on any team in the NFL. He may or may not be an upgrade at the 4-5-or 6 WR position. Unfortunately the Dolphins need upgrades in their starting positions, except for Bess, and that is not Armstrong, as far as I am concerned.

 

And, by the way, the fact that Ireland brought AA up from obscuiryty and first believed in him as having NFL talent is something most players never forget. I'm sure if Armstrong gets cut, that will weigh somewhat into his choice of whether to return here as a FA.

Unless he remembers the 'firing' better than the hiring. lol.

 

Maybe we can trade Spitler for Rob Ninkovich. Or maybe give the Jets a 3rd rounder for Yeremiah Bell. Help shore up some of the defense.

 

Two 3's to the Pats for Ninkovich and Donald Thomas.

 

Well, for a couple three's we better get Derek Dennis as well. Hell, let's throw in a 4th and try and get the safety as well.

 

Good idea, they can spot us 2 points in both games

 

Was thinking Chung, but that would be good too

 

This is pretty much just a bunch of cranky bull****.

Armstrong didn't magically get an 900 yard receiving year. That's not something that just happens. A "fluke" is a very lazy way to look at pretty much anything. There are reasons for success and failure. Your unwillingness to think even medium hard about them doesn't really do anything other than reflect on you.

Suggesting that you'd rather have someone who has not been proven to do anything over a guy who has done pretty well(albeit short term with qualifications) is asinine. The odds are much more likely that Anthony Armstrong performs like he did in 2010 or better than Clyde Gates being near that productive.

 

Either way this trade seems to have disappeared for now

 

No he isnt. Hes the invisible man. Hes supposedly got elite speed. Doesnt get you far when you cant get separation and showed no improvement. Reason we cant stick him on PS Is because he played too many games last season. Like we noticed. Im done with Gates.

 

He was released, we'll see what happens next.

 

So is he a free agent?

 

He hasn't played long enough in the league to not go through waivers. So let us see who claims him.