Do You Agree With the Trade of Vontae Davis for a 2nd?

What's a 2013 2nd round pick worth in August 2012?

 

Marshall trade gives an extra third not a second

 

Well then that's a pretty poor analogy.

How is it impossible to say that Marshall and Carroll can replace VD and Smith has improved?

 

I voted no simply because a 2nd round pick in the hands of Ireland is not as valuable as Vontae

 

More than Vontae Davis in August 2012.

 

How do we have three two's?

Our high one a medium one from Indy and???

 

A later three probably from Chi.

 

You're acting like those people who think 1 WR's production can only be reproduced by another single WR. Of course Marshall counts in the equation.

That's not how WR or CB works.

 

Yep, our season is most likely over by November..again.

 

Nothing. This does look pretty suspiciously like a precursor to a trade for a wide receiver, though.

Vontae Davis at his best has never been good enough to support the idea it's a rebuilding move, much less at his average or playing to the point where he's been demoted. If Davis were 28 years old, and had been a legit high quality starter, sure, clearly a rebuilding move. Players are frequently traded for draft picks and it isn't a rebuilding move.

 

Wanted to add...

What does it say about this coaching staff when they dump players that have some baggage? Doesn't it come across, or in a way say, that they cant handle a player that has any baggage what-so-ever? Coaches have been dealing with less than perfect players since the beginning of time.

 

Ireland turned a first round pick into a second rounder (Davis was going to mature this year I believe and live up to his potential). We now lack a good Nickel corner and have no depth in case of injury. The Colts will win 6-7 games this year, so the pick will be toward the early middle of the second round too, right about where the Dolphins will pick with their own second rounder actually.

 

That's not how you evaluate the position. It's not trading VD for Carroll.

VD not living up to expectations and the addition of Marshall made VD expendable. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

 

lol That sounds like the crazy girl who, "needs a real man who can handle her", when in reality no real men want to deal with her bull****.

 

Ugh I don't care anymore lol

 

Why should they deal with lazy, immature, or behaviorally challenged players?

 

when IRISH is in charge it may as well be.

 

If only we can parlay that second round pick for Mike Wallace somehow..... I think the idea of what we are doing makes since, kind of like New England trading Seymore to Oakland. The problem is, with the rest of the team looking so terrible its hard to get rid of a player you know can play well.

I firmly believe that if we had looked better this preseason, won a few games, didn't get ran up and down the field on defense and this happens everybody loves the move. Its just hard to see a terrible team getting rid of one of the few good players it has.

 

Because your team needs talent? Isn't managing players and attitudes part of coaching? Im not calling for Philbins head, I like him.

 

That would take balls, which IRISH does not have.

 

Like when he didn't have the balls to trade for Brandon Marshall.

 

Mike Wallace for that second and James Jones+a late pick for that third. Then you have a full draft next year with an excellent WR core.

 

Philbin wants to build his own roster. I don't see any desparation trades to acquire disgruntled guys.

 

Anything to blame Ireland for.

I hope they show Philbin's thoughts on Hard Knocks.

 

Davis didn't fit into the long term plans of the fins, they off loaded him for a 2nd plus while they could get it. To get the final picture we need to see where that 2nd round pick lands. I don't exactly like the depth at CB but seeing behind the scene at Davis's attitude about his career clearly showed he doesn't have what it takes to be a champion. I wish him luck but I'm glad he is gone, you can't depend on a guy who wants to fake it. Million dollar talent and a .10 cent brain.

 

As I have said multiple times here , I am a short term pain for long term gain fan , but right now we have Michael Egnew for Marshall and Vonte , so that tells you the winning is thought of as in the future imo. Problem for me is not seeing the long term gain ( it has been long enough for Ireland ) and thinking or believing that success is forthcoming.

 

So we traded a nickel CB for a 2nd and 6th round selection ... the problem being exactly what? Unless you think that Vontae is a bona fide #1 CB in this league (in which case you should blame Philbin for playing him #3 and your TV for not showing him getting beat consistently), this is as good a trade as you'll get.

 

Don't agree with it. The way to build a good team is keep your good players and get more good players.

It seems to me they want a team of Eagle Scouts. Screw that. I want a winning team, not one that can tie the most spiffy knots.

 

Yes great trade. Not a shutdown corner. Got beat for his job. Probably wouldn't have signed him. Get great value for him in a second pick, that is probably top 10 pick in second. Actually IMO Ireland doing pretty good this offseason.

 

To rebuild, wouldn't that mean the team had to have been built in the first place?

 

Lots of those types of players have significantly helped their teams win in the NFL , Vonte imo could be another one , so it is paramount you get value in return.

Not a fan of the lack of discipline , professionalism he has demonstrated to date , at all , but you have acknowledge the talent , age and upside imo and you better make the pick worth it or you had 2 kicks , the initial first round use , now the second rounder and a good GM would not fail with that .

 

Couldn't agree more. Great trade.

 

Depends , doesn't poorly built , shoddily built count?