Saving some $$ now, means very little if you just piss it away again....and your FO is proven that, they havent proven much else.....
Just having fun with beantowners.....as Finkle and I have talked about, this is the conversation we would have had in 2004. Haha....its so fun right now.
Had I been a Yankees fan, I would love it, too. But I do think you should be pissed, as well. They freed up 260 million dollars. That's a nice trade.
1) yeah, computer and site didnt like each other for a moment there...must be a Red Saux thread. 2) Pissing away money, shipping off sad bad contracts, has no bearing that this FO wont piss it away again, with less MLB talent 3) Not at all, bottomline with the QUIT Beaners are showing, whatever Yanks do has no bearing....no risk, all reward from Yankee land.
Hey when they made those moves for Gonzalez and Crawford, as a Yankee fan, you had to have been pissed and worried. Those moves didn't work out. The Sox needed to make a change. I'm glad they're doing something instead of sitting there doing nothing. It was clear with the roster they have now they weren't going anywhere.
I wasnt concerned when they had the $260M originally.....no reason to be scared now. Granted if they had this $260 and had a real FO, but come on its the Red Sox....the Marlins of the AL East.
Agreed. But I'd much rather save that money instead of pissing it away like Theo did. They won those WS with developing players from within, making smart short term FA signings and key trades. Not spending big money on big FAs that didn't work out.
Well, I'm somewhat stunned if this does happen. Especially about AGone being wrapped up in it, think the BoSox did need a shakeup but also think they are doing to much of one.
We were coming off WS.....Big Brother is never scared when kid brother begs and wants to hang out with them and duplicate how they look and do everythign Big Brother does...but when Big Brother heads to the private club, everyone knows, little brother has to just hang out by the back alley, or go home early. Hard to hang with the grown ups.
What would you do with the Red Sox, if you were the GM right now, assuming you could still make the Dodger trade or pull the players back?
Sure clean slates are nice.....how many times going forward you think you will be cleaning your slate over and over based on this FO????? If any fan should be scared and concern its BoSox fans.....how many times do you crash the sportscare just to fix it as a clean slate but eventually the world knows you will just recrash it.....come on, learn to drive.
The question is what would I do as owner...... and that answer is easy....fire your GM and after getting that $260M do what you should have done in the first place and thats grab Billy Beane and this time he doesnt leave without signed contract....then as a Yankees Fan I might be concerned. With your FO and Bobby V....come on its comedy gold right now.
Dont worry, your favorite team now has potentially cleaned $260M off its plate......comparing this organization to Yankees is silly in many ways. When was the last time if ever Yanks had to pray to clear $260M of 3 contracts and think about rebuilding cause of bad FO and Managerial moves????? Never!
You think they will automatically piss it away? Just because they're Boston? Hasn't their FO changed? Also, didn't the Red Sox essentially do the same thing as the Yankees?
I don't know about rebuilding, but I know for a fact they would like to get rid of A-Rod and Texeira. How much money is that?
Cashman has it all under control and all laid out in front of him.....3 chess moves ahead, while beaners are asking why the Candlestick looking piece is smiling? and what does the Horsey do?
Lol, your going to give him one season, really? He made a pretty good trade for Rizzo, your AAAA player didn't he?
Fire the GM? What did he do wrong? He made two trades that didn't work out but going into the 2012 season this team was pretty good. The players underperformed. Now he's getting rid of the 3 biggest contracts the team has on the books and now you want him gone? This is the 2nd clean slate this franchise has had in 10 years. The first one was after the 2004/05 seasons where they let Pedro, Lowe, Damon and Cabrera walk. 2 years later they won a WS based on player development. Not bad. Theo was part of the problem in Boston though. He was a great GM no doubt about it but his big FA moves have all been busts. You can't ignore that. He left this team in the sad state they were in. Premature to think just because they have all this free money they will automatically spend it and if they do they will spend it unwisely. The reason the team is in the state they are is because of reckless spending. If they get out of the 3 biggest contracts on the books and then just spend to spend they won't be going forward, simply sideways. Yup, that Soriano move shows that huh? In all seriousness let's talk about how Cashman has things under control in about 2 years when he has a black holes at 1st and 3rd with Arod and Teixeira in the twilight of their careers making big money and can't move them. You don't honestly think if Cashman could rid himself of Arod and Teixeira's contracts he wouldn't do it? Yup I would think so. Start fresh.
Look change can be a good thing. I think we will all agree that losing Beckett and Crawford isn't a big or bad deal right? That Gonzalez is the one that hurts? Ok I love watching Gonzalez play, but the player he was in San Diego wasn't the player he was in Boston. We can't ignore that 2012 didn't happen to him. He has a stat line of .300/.343/.469/.812 with 15 HRs in 527 plate appearances this year. Is that a 20 plus million dollar player? Of course not. For whatever reason (perhaps his shoulder never healed after his surgery?) his power never came and he stopped walking. He's 30 years old this year, his best days could very well be are over. I'm sure that's the question the front office was asking themselves and probably the main reason they feel they can let Gonzalez walk. Let's not also forget he plays 1st base, that's not an elite position. They can find another 1B out there, it's not like losing an All-Star SS, catcher or CFer. Again though they're ridding themselves of Beckett's contract and also Crawford's too which are major pluses. And they are getting two possible good arms back in Webster and De La Rosa. Sure there is a gamble with prospects but even if they don't pan out and never play a single game for the team simply getting rid of those 3 big contracts is huge. I don't think people realize just how big that is. The Sox no longer will be stuck paying Gonzalez and Crawford 20 million a year in the mid to late 30s now. And simply losing superstar players doesn't mean this team will automatically be bad (which they were WITH them). The Rays lost how many players after the 2010 season and were still able to compete and be good. Why can't the Sox? Especially with the 2nd WC team. It's going to be a long offseason and the team will need to fill holes but I think the health of the franchise is better without Gonzalez, Crawford and Beckett and with 250 million than with those guys. But that's just my 2 cents, like everything else we have to see how it plays out on the field but I'd guess if you were to poll the other 28 GMs, they would all agree this has to be a huge win for the Red Sox. I think the bigger problem lays in LA, where the Dodgers are spending recklessly without worrying about the future. If they win a WS in the next few years great but if they don't that team will be a mess of declining players with huge contracts. It's moves like that that can set a franchise back, which is what happened to the Red Sox. They were just fortunate to be able to rid themselves of those contracts. Red Sox fans right now should be excited with the prospect of change, simply because staying the course would be the worst (non)move they can make.
He's hitting .238 for August, as pitchers adjust his numbers drop, 1 HR and 3 extra base hits for the month. http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/12989/cubs-rizzo-now-in-adjustment-phase On point though, the trades Theo made mean the farm system is not exactly loaded atm.
Crawford and Beckett make sense to move, AGone not so much. Carl Crawford just never meshed in Boston, but now they have made holes with no clear answers on how to fill them.
Gonzalez never really seemed meshed well in Boston either for whatever reason. He never seemed happy, seemed like a different guy/player here than in SD. Plus you can't move Beckett/Crawford without Gonzalez. Kalish is the obviously hole to fill for Crawford next year, with the possibility of Jackie Bradley coming up by Julyish. They have no internal 1B candidate in the system unless they want to let Lavarnway play there. Of course signing someone to a short deal to play 1st is the most likely answer. I'm not worried about that though, easy to fill that hole. I'm more worried about the starting pitching staff to be honest.
On the plus side though, 260 million off of the books does mean Boston has a lot of flexbility in free agency his offseason. Boston, to me, tried to play the name game with the Yankees, while the players who usually do well in Boston are nice players who come to Boston and up their game, not who come there with a rep already, this is where Theo ran off of the rails imo.
Deal is done. Let's not forget without Beckett, there's no 2007 WS. I wish them all well (except for Punto, screw him). I feel bad that Crawford was a disaster here, he seemed like a good guy who always tried hard. It just didn't work out. Funny how badly the Sox (and fans) wanted Gonzalez for so long and once we got him the team collapsed while he over performed. Weird how things work out sometimes. I have no doubt all 3 guys will be good in LA, because that's the way it usually goes but I still think this was the right move for the Sox in the long run. Also will be fun to see Hanley and Beckett on the same team. Also weird how everyone for that trade with the Sox and Marlins are now gone with the main pieces (minus Lowell) getting traded in the same year.
Of course they did..... All in all I think its great for Saux to get out from under the bad decisions and bad talent evaluation for the overpaying of trying to be the Yankees. I wish our Nation could wipe off the debt and ship off the bad evaluation of politicians in office and have an equally rosey clean slate....sadly, it wouldnt shock me to see the Beantown Brass re-screw it up the same way I would expect a fresh set of Politicians to do the same. But its fun to think all will be grand. Will be fun to see the rebuilding and who the next signing will be and what type of product is on the field. I wonder how the locker-room and elder-statesman view the move and future, and how FA will view the atmosphere come the off season. Lastly, while I tease, I remember the crap decade plus of the Yankees following WS in the late 70's that I saw, to then wander aimlessly though the 80's and up to late 90's (until a real GM took control over the crazy thoughts of ownership - "thank you Stick Michael's") to regain the run they are currently on. Surely, that mild blip doesnt equate to the 1918 - 2004 glory of Saux....but just letting you know I pretend to feel your pain.
So much for that. According to Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times, the mega-deal is not yet official and reports of it being complete are premature. Still sounds like it will get done, but we might have to wait a little while longer. There are some technical details still being worked out according to Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston (on Twitter). An official announcement is expected mid-afternoon. Both Beckett (10-and-5 rights) and Crawford (limited no-trade clause) had to approve the deal, and Buster Olney of ESPN reports (on Twitter) that neither player asked for any kind of compensation to do so. CBSSports.com Baseball Insider Jon Heyman reports that the blockbuster trade between the Red Sox and Dodgers has been completed, except for the Dodgers receiving written consent from outfielder Carl Crawford. The consummation of the deal is a formality, though, as Crawford has already granted his verbal consent.
This is as off 9AM today so BDH I dont know if this is after of before your post, but let me just say how godamn stupid this trade is for LA, and this GM is an as$hole....how the hell you pick up 95% of 100% bad contracts AND then kick in 3 or 4 of your top prospects AND throw in a above avg major leaguer?? What freaking bizzaro world do some of these people live in? I am amazed...shocked and not in a good way.... Enjoy the next 2 years LA, hope you win it, because thats your timetable....
yeah, those dollar figures were leaked last night. " The Dodgers are going for it, so be it, its just $$$ - you cant take it with you. Sure they could have fought for more then $12M but who cares - it wouldnt have been worth the fight to blow the deal. They added what they needed, and its NL. That helps all of their acquistions, they roll the dice on Crawford, but by all accounts AGon is upgrade, and so is Beckett back in NL. Punto is infield depth. So be it. Honestly, its a smart gamble for them, as the future is never locked in. Hell, this house cleaning proves it. You can always rewrite the future. Bottomline, when it comes to WS titles, go for it, if you feel you can finagle it. I always love how hindsight by one organization makes something a "bad" contract for another. Let it play out....its not a guaranteed bad contract for LAD, just because it was a bad contract and outcome for beaners. If wins come and WS come its a solid move. I dont begrudge Yanks for winning with CC, Burnett, Tex, and Arod. They brought home #27 so be it. Its the name of the game.
• De La Rosa is one of the keys to this deal for the Red Sox, a 23-year-old righty who earlier this week made his first big-league appearance following Tommy John surgery. De La Rosa jumped from Double-A to the Dodgers last summer, throwing 60 2/3 innings with a 3.71 ERA and 8.9 strikeouts per nine as a starter and reliever and lighting up radar guns with a fastball that topped 100 miles per hour at times. He was one player the Dodgers considered untouchable in any deadline deal. • Webster is a 22-year-old righty who’s currently in his second season of Double-A ball, a pitcher considered to be a potential No. 3 starter down the road, and another one who was considered untouchable at the deadline. He came into the year as the Dodgers’ second-best prospect behind Zach Lee, according to Baseball America, a pitcher with a low-to-mid-90s fastball and a plus changeup. • Sands is a 24-year-old righty outfielder/first baseman who hit .253/.338/.389 in 227 plate appearances for the Dodgers last year but has spent most of this season at Triple-A Albuquerque, where he has hit .303/.380/.531 with 24 homers in a very hitter-friendly environment. Such is the Dodgers’ view of his shortcomings that he languished in the minors even while Loney and Rivera failed to deliver in the majors. • De Jesus, the son of a former major league infielder, is a 25-year-old second baseman who was regarded as a good prospect before he missed nearly all of the 2009 season due to a broken leg. Since then, his career has somewhat stalled out at Triple-A, where he has racked up 1,266 plate appearances while making just 72 for the Dodgers.
