Indy could be in trade talks with Phin's for Vontae Davis

While I agree wholeheartedly with the conception of addition by subtraction, is Vontae really the player this team should use as the example to set this tone?

Vontae certainly did not win the hearts of the coaches by showing up to camp in piss-poor shape, but he is still the best corner on this team, and has recently done well. Corners who can hold their own do not grow on trees, and corners of his talent are even rarer.

Kevin Coyle, the supposed guru of secondaries, has to be salivating at the talent at corner. Now that Richard Marshall is game, these corners could really be something. My problem with trading Vontae is simply this: if an injury occurs (happens all of the time in the NFL), where is the depth? I am going out on a limb here and saying these coaches are gambling that Vontae gets it because of the 'demotion'. At the same time, the coaches see where Marshall is and have a legitimate starter on the outside if someone goes down.

Obviously, for the right price, trade him. But I just do not see why Vontae should be the one. Now, if the Colts are looking for a MLB, I would be ALL for it!

This was a tweet from the official Dolphins account a couple of weeks ago. Of course, things change quickly, but this just does not sound like (at least, back then) this team is ready to give up on him:

Are they just getting him in shape to up his trade value?

 

He's the one because he's the biggest let down in terms of the difference between what he could be doing for your team, and what he is doing.

And he's not getting it. A guy who's been demoted shouldn't be getting 15-yard personal foul penalties. He should be making damn sure he's doing everything possible to be viewed in a positive light and get himself back on track.

 

Your basing Vontae as being a huge disappointment just because he hasn't established himself as a leader yet? He's still a young guy and you can tell he isn't very mature and since college he hasn't been the type of player that is a real natural leader. You still gotta remember he is our best DB on the team and can't just give up. Would it be better if he did come into camp in form and ready to be a leader of this squad? Yeah, but it's his first year without YB and Allen, give him a chance, theirs been 2 preseason games. If you didn't see that one segment of HK, it would be a whole different story.

 

Certainly. He should be doing the right things, and maybe he is beginning to come around? I hear he is looking sharper in practices.

The PF is not a big deal. Even Philbin seemed to brush it off after hearing Vontae's side. Quite honestly, I thought he showed some moxie mixing it up with Smith. Smith only caught one pass against Vontae.

Your point is well made. I am just not sure it would be prudent for this team to trade Vontae at this time. And I am not so sure it gets the 'right' attention. It could certainly go a different way with the players. A trade like this would certainly shake things up, but I am not sure that a rookie head coach is up for the headache the players could cause him if they chose to not tighten their chinstraps.

 

It sounds like we may have two different beliefs about the significance of his demotion on the depth chart. I just think that's huge, at a time when this guy should be becoming a perennial Pro-Bowler.

Heck on the one hand you have a coaching staff that's willing to throw Jonathan Martin in there, come hell what may, to the detriment of the rookie QB all of their jobs are riding on, and on the other there's a CB who looked to have been a stud in the making last year who can't see the field with the starting defense.

That speaks volumes about Davis IMO.

 

That's certainly a possibility. What is it about trading him that you believe might cause a negative reaction?

 

I wonder if they would "consult" the Players Council about trading Vontae and how the locker room would react

 

Philbin seems to have little tolerance for players he feels might be a problem on the team. That is why he wanted nothing to do with Brandon Marshall and Chad Johnson was released so quickly after his arrest. I am not sure what his feelings are regarding Davis, but the fact Davis has been replaced as a starter and the few comments made on HK's to Davis and about Davis, leads me to believe that Philbin would certainly go along with trading Davis if the right offer was received by the Dolphins.

I think Davis has tons of talent, but he is still very immature. With Philbin as the teams HC, trading Davis would not surprise me in the least.

 

This may be the first time I've regretted Chad Johnson is no longer on the team. One would expect Reggie to make an appearance here somewhere as well.

 

I still have a hard time believing we would be looking at this... I just heard on Sirius NFL radio on my way into work that Indy is apparently in trade talks with Jacksonville to try and get Jones-Drew from them. I find it unlikely if they wanted MJD that they could afford Vontae too.

 

I would be so pissed if we traded him.

 

VD for Luck and Hilton. Make it happen. Wouldnt take any less.

 

The owner has done his job of paying Vontae Davis millions of dollars to play this game. The coaches have done their job of demoting him to, as you say, "light a fire."

If the light doesn't come on at this point, that's on him. Nobody can step inside Vontae Davis and make him do what they want him to.

There's only so much these coaches can do to "light fires." In the end you have an adult man who's being paid millions of dollars who needs to start lighting his own fire.

Hell he should've come into camp this year full of fire. This was his time to round the corner into greatness. You have players like Reggie Bush who are in a similar situation who are the first ones to show up on the practice field and the last ones to leave, and you have Vontae Davis out of shape and demoted.

On the other hand you have me, a guy who doesn't even make six figures, and I manage to light my own fire at work. Nobody's up under my *** getting me to perform like I should.

If your philosophy for your players is "professionalism," as it appears Joe Philbin's is, then to be true to that philosophy you have to rid yourself of people who can't be professional despite your best efforts to send them the message.

 

If the "players' council" is really serious about having a positive effect on this team, they should be on Vontae Davis's *** as we speak.

If you want a say in what happens with these players, then do some of the work to get them going.

 

Which Hilton? Cause if its Paris, they'd already have VD.

 

i think it is darrell revis

 

7 pages on complete speculation that began with the twitter ramblings of a recovering alcoholic/crazy person.

Got to love the internet

 

(drumroll)

 

I find it amazing how uninformed speculation quickly becomes fact.

A third-rate fantasy football "reporter" throws crap against the wall and suddenly we have a 7 page thread on it.

 

That doesn't mean it became fact. People are discussing it eesh.

 

So instead, everyone should sit around and stare at the screen and talk about nothing? That would make for a great forum.

I haven't been involved, but people are debating and talking about whether its a good or bad move to trade a guy... based on some original, probably bogus speculation. Nobody has said its become a fact that we're trying to trade him that I saw... Who cares, let people discuss whether its good or bad... Just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean its not worthy. Too many people around here with that damn attitude lately.

 

Jim Irsay has twitted about the potential for a blockbuster deal, and that they are looking to trade high picks for veterans. So its not really an uninformed rumor.

Obviously many here are against getting rid of Vontae because of his ultimate potential, however i wonder how some of you feel if Indy throws a 1st rounder for him?

 

Talking about whether or not Vontae has a future here is fine. There's certainly reason to question that. Going off a fantasy football writer's speculation appended to the bottom of a blurb about the Colts pursuing a Ravens CB is not really reason, IMO.

By the way, where did I say that we should talk about nothing?

And to follow up on the previous question, where did I say that Vontae/Colts trade talks are factual? When I said "quickly becomes fact", that is criticism of the media, which has filled Twitter timelines everywhere with "Vontae to Colts?" stuff.

My entire objection HERE is that a baseless opinion of someone whose opinion shouldn't matter has launched a discussion this long. Why can't Vontae's performance against the Bucs and Panthers be the basis of the thread? Why can't we go off something more solid than the last sentence in a Ravens CB's Rotoworld "profile"?

 

As far as speculation goes, it's pretty good. They've identified a need the Colts may want to fill and a team that is reasonably in a position to fill it in the price range suggested.

 

i don´t know if vontae is falling in the category "blockbuster deal" yet...darrell revis on the other hand, who was again *****in about his contract and needs to be paid again next year is a different story

 

It's last-second speculation snuck into the profile of a Ravens player.

Silva is correct when he identifies CB as a position where the Colts can improve. But is Vontae Davis really the kind of player that Jim Irsay would gush about on Twitter for hours on end? I can see him getting this excited for Mike Wallace. I can't see him getting this excited for Vontae Davis. Unless he's a really big Illinois fan.

 

As I mentioned earlier, on Sirius NFL Radio, during the news update, they were talking about Indy trying to trade for MJD with Jacksonville. That to me is more of a blockbuster deal than them coming at us for VD. They even had a sound bite of MJD saying its not up to him, its up to the Jags management if they move him now.

 

Jim Irsay is a crazy person.

 

But we are talking about Miami does it snow there?









Better be a minimum of a first round pick or I'll ? ? *****?

 

I think Davis' lack of "professionalism" may be a little exhaggerated at this point.

 

For what it's worth, here's a tweet from Armando:

 

your ole lady gives VD for free. Just sayin.

 

I don't think so.

Again, when you have coaches who are willing to risk their future franchise QB's well-being by throwing Jonathan Martin out there as a starter year one, I think Vontae Davis's demotion from the starting unit -- year four -- means something significant about his professionalism.

We may be defining professionalism differently, however.

 

so you think they made the jonathan martin decision based on professionalism and not say..........development and potential?

 

I think they probably made it based on both. I think they probably believe they have a player who has both potential and professionalism.

 

I'm all for getting comparable talent in return.

 

then I don't see why vontae's lack of professionalism would be the sole reason to move him down.