Anyone else get the feeling that Ken O'Keefe doesn't like Chris Hogan at all? I got that feeling last week too. This week it was even more obvious.
I thought the SAME thing, lol. He said something like "People are going to say all kinds of things, make up all kinds of issues out of thin air, you're a rookie, the wide receivers unit it not very good, who's going to block on the right side, ... anything and everything." I just laughed and said to my fiancee and said well actually he just covered all the criticisms right there so obviously those criticisms aren't as random or unjustified as he'd like us to think.
Agree 100%. That was clearly an example of his taking his tutelage to heart and making it happen on the field. And I was glad to see the position coach react like he did, for the benefit of Egnew.
yup this......I wanna see ball protection from him this year however.....I will say we are going to find out if RT can read a field, and go to his 3rd and 4th looks because most likely all of his looks will be covered...
That was actually the point in the show where I laughed the loudest, where he said, "and they're not bad people -- that's what they get paid to do," while holding his arms and hands over to one side, as if to completely differentiate "the press" from the team.
It's not attitude, I just got bored with listing all of the Ireland players who supplanted veterans (almost) immediately. The criteria wasn't "team leader jettisoned for youth", it was "established player jettisoned for youth".
I get the sense that if John Jerry was just successful in getting down around 325, his entire game would change. It's the weight that's getting in his way all the way around.
I was pleasantly surprised by Joe Philbin's half time pep talk to the team, essentially just chewing them out and telling them how he needs to see a hell of a lot better performance in the second half. They responded. Down 20-7 at half time, game ended with a pass in the end zone in the final seconds trying to win the game 24-23.
I get that, and I agree. I don't see those 3 guys getting cut, but my point about them possibly being traded was the same idea. I don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Philbin is clearly very intelligent but like a very bright scientist, he is an awkward communicator. He doesn't filter his thoughts to make a concise point, he often says things he is thinking without considering whether they need to be said. This leads to him revealing a lot about his thought process. I think he revealed something in wanting to wait til the final 53. But your guess is as good as mine.
Anyone else thing J. Jerry showing up fat maybe indirectly hurt Martin? They put a lot of time into Jerry and it seemed to pay off. Martin seemed to get good praise, but maybe they just weren't noticing it as much because of the focus on Jerry.
So you're not going to stop with the attitude then. If you're bored than don't engage. That was the criteria you decided it would be. That was not the criteria I posited. See: So great, you made a point in an argument you were having with yourself. Bravo.
I think you're correct about Philbin's style but I don't think you have a good example. In this case wanting to wait for the final 53 man roster before you install your leadership council was just a very wise course of action.
It could just be that if it was official then he'd be obligated to run down the major roster cuts with them. I really don't think it was more than that.
the way I saw it, he wasn't saying those things were random or unjustified, but saying people are going to use those excuses as why he shouldn't be starting yet... i though he hit it right on the head
I don't 100% disagree with that, but it seems the team could benefit from a leadership council to help keep players in line before week 1, no? Bush seemed to believe he could have helped keep Johnson in line if they already had one established. Dansby may have known Chad had 2 strikes against him already. If the leadership council is a good idea, I don't see the wisdom in waiting.
They're only waiting to make anything official. They said they would meet informally after the road trip.
Great point, I hadn't considered that possibility. But the leadership council wouldn't have to be advised of any roster cuts. I don't think they were asking to save a guy after his 3rd strike, they were asking to be made aware of a guy with 1 or 2 strikes against him. But Philbin could have thought they meant otherwise.
The point is, he was trying to enumerate a bunch of invalid criticisms that will be thrown at him. And if you're trying to convince us that they're invalid, it doesn't help that you're hitting the nail directly on the head 3 out of 3.
my guess: it is related to the incoming cuts: he doesn't want the player to have an ultimate say about the cuts (putting the coach in the position of cutting a guy that the Council wants to keep, causing a problem between coaching staff and locker room); when we will have the final 53, this kind of problem we'll be over, I guess I liked Philbin during the game more than anything: his way with Vontae on the sideline, his speeches in the locker room... these are the things that keep me optimistic, he seems to know what he wants and how to do it, he seems "in control" I did not like Jerry saying on the sideline "I have to do my best, I know they're watching" or something like that.... he give me the impression of an effort with an expiration date, not like the "light is finally on", but more like "i have to survive the cuts, then I will be on the bench and the problem will be next year" (but maybe I get that totally wrong, who knows) Egnew kind of exasperating, let's hope he can pull it together... I find incouragin about Martin, because the coaches were the most surprised about his s**t performance, so what we saw shouldn't be the "true Martin"
Last week during that coaches meeting where essentially every coach was taking a turn praising the heck out of Chris Hogan, his own position coach just sat back and listened, and the only thing he added was the "He's been good, been good..." with the elipses made pretty clear via his It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia high tone. It felt like one of those moments when everyone is saying something you disagree with and you're forced to go with the tide, but there was clearly something he left unsaid. A week later Hogan makes a great play and he says something like "Christ this guy's going to be some kind of cult hero" which is a back handed compliment if ever I've heard one.
I hear you, I just see Philbin as the type to ensure he wasn't locked into anything he didn't want to be. But, I view Philbin differently than you may. Personally, he comes across to me as someone who is playing chess every second of every day in every instance. I think he may ramble a bit, but not because he doesn't know what to say but because of things he doesn't want to say. (<-------That may not make sense to anyone but me and for that I apologize.)
Have no idea. But it is common knowledge among those that covered the Sparano regime and those close to the team that this is not a new idea and that it's a rehash of a Sparano program.
I see no perceivable difference to a healthly Garrard with his hat on backwards or Moore with his. And yes Devlin is a future trade chip, and also think PS may be hard to hide him. Again, moves like this if it happens is justified, if a team has its clear young #1 QB, all other QBs that have any value around the league should be shipped/flipped. Thats always been my viewpoint.
I have always wondered why it seemed that this team's players never took "ownership" of the team. They seemed like employees the last two years. Not partners.
The impression I had was the only difference was waiting for the final 53 and then the "council" being made up of that, and not pushing it publicly while the roster has "EXTRA opinions" currently in the lockerroom, and required cuts coming, etc. Just waiting for the final 53 to see who is on the council amongst the player pool...with Bush, Long, and Dansby the 3 out of the 5 that Philbin recommended as a number.
He met with captains to gauge the team. This is about meeting with these three guys to intervene before I guy is cut for discipline problems. Sure the concept of a meeting is the same, but there are some significant differences, like the point of the meetings.
I got it. I'm not as intelligent as Joe, but I tend to talk like him. For me, it comes from over thinking, and trying to constantly acknowledge I understand there is another POV than my own, while simultaneously trying to get my own POV across. Philbin does this a lot. When addressing players I think he'd be better served saying less, and focusing just on his POV. He says he doesn't watch Hard Knocks, but I think someone needs to make him watch.
Maybe. Seems to me the WRs after Bess and Naanee are only separated by the thinnest of margins, so maybe the depth chart doesn't matter much for that position.
I don't think its specifically just for intervening before guys are cut for disciplinary problems. Its not like this team has a bunch of Chad Johnsons. To me, it seemed like Bush felt that he failed Philbin by not going to Johnson about his behavior sooner. It appears that these guys want to take ownership, and help make the team better. Its really no different a responsbility than captains would have.
Yeah, put it doesn't appear he's having trouble getting his point across to the players though. Outside of Chad going crazy because of a woman, there's been no discipline problems. Penalties are low. A small percentage of players came in overweight. Players are so not confused about where they're supposed to be, practices were run at an apparently unprecedented clip. I mean, if his communication is lacking then we wouldn't be seeing the results we are., I would think. Oh, and you communicate fine on the boards.
