Ok, my mistake. Although Philbin was rather complimentary in his talk with Moore too. Didn't he say something about how he was a valuable part of the team? Some words to that effect?
Dissagree, coach has veto power no matter what, should of not cut Johnson in public, you don't jeopardize respect, and you must be cognizant of how players perceive your actions..
I agree with most of what your saying, I think doc gave Philbin to much credit for the situation, I do think Karlos has real leadership potential, potential being the key word..I do agree he hasn't demonstrated that up until this point.
I think you're underestimating the effect of the talk Philbin had with the team in which he invited players to discuss team issues with him personally. Again, Philbin handled the Dansby/Sid Rosenberg situation by inviting players to discuss those kinds of issues with him internally. Coach B might've simply told the team in so many words to shut up and do their jobs and let those issues be handled by the coaches. Do you honestly think Coach B would've had players approaching him to meet like Bush and company did? It was the invitation to have a voice with the coach that inspired the whole thing IMO. Out of that he had players who identified themselves as leaders and approached him, and now he has the makings of a group of leaders who can create a team culture by being the intermediaries between the coaches and the players. Either way, I don't think it much matters whom you give the credit to. The point is that the player leadership is developing nicely, which changes this team fundamentally IMO.
You can't have both at different times? What if the existence of this group of player leaders actually helps the team go all out more? What if the team would give less effort without such a group? You can have both IMO. The player leaders are essential to creating the kind of team culture you're wanting here. Here's your "leadership council" on the Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers -- notice how Bill Cowher gets out of the way and lets them lead: [video=youtube;gpOG9K02F_g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpOG9K02F_g[/video] IMO you have to establish and develop leaders among the players to have the kind of team culture in that video, and that's what's happening on the Dolphins not even three games into the preseason.
Agreed. I'll say again, these three players were on the team last year and they didn't do this then. What changed? Well, the staff and the culture they brought along for one. I don't understand why people are so quick to discredit this influence.
You can say that if you want. But if the Dolphins signed the contract to allow HBO to film everything. Then the coach, GM, owner, head cheerleader, head scout, or ball boy has no say in it.
Well I think also Chad Johnson happen. Here was a vet, that was never in trouble in his career prior, seemed to be going to have a productive career, was I very charismatic and his teammates liked him, yet was cut immediately after his arrest. Its clear to me this had more to do with CJ when Reggie started the meeting 'Coach this isn't a meeting to try and get Chad back but....' Chads situation was clearly the driving force. I can't blame them
I want Moore to be disappointed he didn't get the spot. I would be disappointed if he wasn't. I do think he handled it well. It will be interesting to see how his role proceeds into the season. Jerry looked good against Carolina. I agree with the statement that if a fire can be lit he could be really special. I like coach Turner's approach of increasing his reps. He has some power I didn't realize he had. And Jerry appears to be taking the criticism in stride and getting the fact his career is on the line. Hicks has not impressed me at all. It would not shock me if Hicks and Steinbach are gone when the season starts, but injuries to others could influence Hicks role on the team (Murtha hurt). I want Samuda to make this team. I will be disappointed if Matthews, Fuller and Hogan are not on this team. These are three receivers that could grow up with Tannehill.
True. I don't think anyone argues this wasn't spurred by CJ's dismissal. The solution the players thought up, the organization and plan to approach Coach and the actual discussion was 100% professional on all parties. Now sure, that's a testament to Bush but lets also remember that there has to be an environment for that to occur. I don't think this is handled this way in a Sparano environment.
Show was great. More football in this episode than any of the others IMO. The one thing I really wish they went into more though was the coaches talking about the QB competition, and really hear more about what went into that decision. All we got was basically Philbin/Zac saying “they could see Ryan being the starter” and wanting to get him reps with the 1’s before the Carolina game. And then after Zac just basically saying “I think Ryan would be the guy right now”. That’s it! I would have loved to hear them break down Ryan’s performance against Carolina and the things they liked about it that led them to the decision.
The irony here is that, now that we're talking about Reggie Bush as a leader and a player who's putting in the work to maximize his talent, he's probably going to walk for nothing as a free agent.
I dunno. Quality leadership has allowed plenty of players to stick around past their on field usefulness. As long as Bush produces on the field well enough, I think they try to keep him because of his leadership and work ethic.
Egnew appears detached, his confidence shattered. Shermans direct televised remarks, that if he was the GM, he'd of cut his butt that day, might have sent the Rookie reeling into his shell, if he percieved it to suggest zero confidence in him, or his ability to make the team.
So somehow he is less interested in a Jeff Ireland free agency acquisition succeeding? How does that work?
My take away from HK's. First we shouldn't have put a rookie head coach in this position to be criticized about every conversation he has with his players. For some reason there is this coaching mold that everybody thinks they have to fit into and when they dont they are criticized. Tony Dungy was the same way, until he won his superbowl. Egnew, man this guy is just struggling. Not sure what the deal is with him, but he just doesn't have it right now. It just looks like the pressure melts him. I think the question is, do they keep him for what he could be when he was drafted and just attribute all this to rookie jitters?? Lastly, Tannehill is ready. I just like how the guy carries himself. Confidense just pours out of the guy, I think if we can get him a little success to go with the confidence we could really see something amazing for the next decade. The guy can make any throw, and you can just see from the games that he is getting the rest of it.
Potential Jeff Ireland thought process: "Why sign an older player at a fungible position to a large deal when I have two young draft picks who I really like and will be ready to play in 2013?" We already know Ireland prefers to go with younger players. It's not a stretch that he'd let Reggie Bush walk in favor of Lamar Miller, who he drafted under the premise that Miller is a first round pick a year early.
But doesn't that make the assumption Ireland doesn't care about anything other than age or his draft picks?
We have some cap space next year, like I said if Reggie is playing like Reggie of the last 8 weeks again...then i say try ti extend him before the trade deadline, if not? Get a team ready to rent him.
It relies on the observed behavior of Jeff Ireland as a GM who almost ruthlessly prefers cheap youth on his roster. That's well and good, but it doesn't bode well for what will be a 28 year old at a fungible position. I think Ireland takes Bush's money and gives it to Long.
One thing that seemed odd from Philbin was him not wanting the leadership council to be "official" until the final 53 are set. Seemed like a pointless request. There is some reason for hesitation in Philbin that I can't quite put my finger on. I'm only speculating here, but his hesitation seemed to indicate Philbin didn't want to commit to those 3 guys as the leadership council. Or maybe not just those 3 guys. Or maybe he isn't sure Ireland isn't going to trade one of those guys away before the 53. Or maybe he is waiting for the team to select team captains before trusting that these 3 guys speak for the players. I do know Philbin is so stiff and is constantly qualifying his statements, and hesitating before making a very muddled point. (Kind of like my very own posts!) However his conversations with Steinbach were the most natural and comfortable I've seen Philbin in 3 episodes. And Steinbach seemed the most comfortable in talking to Philbin. My guess is Philbin has a type of player he relates to, maybe it is someone he has known longer. Maybe Philbin is hoping Ireland can waiver claim or trade for a player or two for that final 53 that Philbin knows and trusts. I hope we learn exactly who makes it on to Philbin's "official" leadership council.
Wait, we did experience the same 4 years of Dolphins roster moves, right? Vontae Davis and Sean Smith almost immediately taking over from Will Allen and Andre Goodman? Dan Carpenter over Jay Feely? Koa Misi starting immediately? Mike Pouncey? Davone Bess? Brian Hartline? Do I have to continue?
No it's not. That was a Tony Sparano idea. The team captains met for an hour every week with Sparano while he was here.
I think the idea was to maintain the perception among the players that nothing is final regarding the roster until the final cuts are made, which is what you want guys fighting for jobs to believe. I think the fact that Philbin was able to consider that in the moment, while talking to Bush and company, is a further reflection of his intelligence. He could have the talk with them while panning back in his mind and considering the big picture at the same time. Not everyone is that sophisticated.
Ireland sets the roster not the depth chart, which veteran FAs were pushed out the door prematurely to make room for an Ireland draft pick? That is the argument you need to make. However, I do agree with you. Given Bush's injury history, Ireland has been trying to find his replacement as early as the Slaton signing last year. Ireland traded up for his two drafted RBs. He likes them a lot. But if Bush plays well this year, and Ireland can re-sign him to a cap friendly deal, it is not out of the question he could be back.
I found it interesting that when Philbin talked to Tannehill he said : "People are gonna say that our wide receiver corp is not very good and that the right side of our line is not settled...." He KNOWS that our WR's suck and that the right side of the line is an abortion. At least he is not deluded. We got that going for us.
First of all, I'm merely trying to understand your point so your attitude is unnecessary. Will Allen's ability was in decline. Other than that, you've failed to bring up a single case of a team leader still playing at high level that was jettisoned for youth. Bell, was kept till he was a liability in coverage.
The official leadership council was in regards to a council that contained more than 3 players. He was hesitant to make it official, because you don't want someone on the council who gets cut. Like what if Chris Hogan (just an odd example) wanted to be on the council. His roster spot isn't guaranteed and if he gets cut that's awkward. Not too much of a big deal imo.
It surprised me it took 3 weeks into training camp for those players to try to bring back that idea. It helped spark the 6-3 turnaround last year, why did they wait until Chad Johnson got cut to approach Philbin?
I think this is dramatizing things a bit much. The guy got yelled at for making a wide receiver mistake. Well, at Missouri, he was essentially a wide receiver. He had a momentary lapse in focus. He got yelled at and he got pissed and you know what happened next? He went out and cold cocked a dude. I don't think that's "going in a shell".
