You're using one example to attempt to speak of all former great QBs as it regards their ability to analyze.
So you think the typical fan understands the nuances of playing QB in the NFL at least as well or better than guys like Griese and Bradshaw?
Just go along living in your fantasy world that you know more about playing QB in the NFL than Terry Bradshaw does.
I have no respect for anyone who supports a member of the administration she was part of. None. What. So. Ever.
Singling out one QB, who had a misplaced reputation of being a mental doofus, does not debunk any myths.
Griese may have trouble articulating his thoughts live on television but I think it's a major stretch to say that he's not more knowledgeable about his profession than just about anyone.
You don't have to know more about playing QB in the NFL than Terry Bradshaw to be better at picking pro talent than Terry Bradshaw.
Here's a question. If you're going to write detective novels for a living, is it more important for you have a background as a detective or as a writer?
Terry doesn't want the job. However, if he wanted to be a professional scout, his background would be beneficial as opposed to someone who'd never personally been remotely close to that level. In his case, he just isn't interested. I think that would pertain to Bob Griese too, and also many other ex QBs from their era.
I'd think you'd be better to have a detective background, then during the same basic time frame or shortly thereafter, learn to be a writer. My favorite writer of that genre was Joseph Wambaugh. He was a policeman who later wrote novels about policemen. His novels were as good as they were because he was a cop and understood cops.
^^ Good quotes Slick. You know, all the talk from DJ and a few others about how much Tanne's experience with Sherm and his offense was going to help him and have it be a more seamless transition to the next level, is apparently coming true.
Well, that certainly explains why you think the way you do. Permit me another question. Take a random detective. Ask him/her to brush up on his/her writing skills and write a detective novel. Take an average novelist. Ask him/her to do as much reasearch as he/she can on detectives and police work, and write a detective novel. Which one is more likely to write a best seller? Permit me a second question. You're directing a movie about a fireman. Do you cast your lead role from a group of actors or a group of firemen?
I think the fact that they have not kicked the tires of any veteran linebackers at this point suggests it isn't that big of an issue to me.
As for the first question, it would depend on more factors than your example allows for. 2nd question. You would have actors playing firemen in a movie about firemen. You would probably have someone with background as a fireman working as a consultant on the movie to make sure the actors get the details to look authentic. I really don't consider either one to be a good analogy of the original topic however. All your concern with trying to analyze the way I think, are you really CK, or did shouright hijack your account?
You pick the actors, because if you pick the firemen, you'll only be able to film on one day out of every three.
I think his understanding of the checks has been the really interesting part, at least one that never occurred to me back when we drafted him. Sure, I knew he'd know the routes and formations... but his ability to check the play/protection/formation at the line has been very impressive... and something that never occurred to me that he would also be coming in with a knowledge of.
That's also absolutely huge IMO in terms of limiting how much an opposing defense can exploit his rookie status. He won't be locked into the call that was made before they lined up, like a typical rookie QB, and therefore susceptible to whatever the defense might have had ready for it. He'll be able to change the play and get them into something more favorable.
No, I think being able to spot that another QB understands those nuances has nothing to do with if you played at a high level or at all.
You better, otherwise I'm gonna feel real foolish standing in your bushes, peaking through your window with my pants around my ankles while holding these candygrams that are from me to you.
I was a communications major (in video production) and from my experience most journalism majors were pretty full of themselves. Personally I think you have to be arrogant to make it in the business because it's so cut throat but that's just me.
I'm with CK on this analogy. You can teach a writer to write about detective work. You cannot teach a detective to write. I mean, this is how a large number of novels are written... good writers spend time learning about things and then write about them. Anyway, it's off-topic, but I think he has a point.
My point was: if I need a novel written then i hire a novelist. If I need a fire put out then I hire a fireman. If I need a lead role in a movie I hire an actor. If i need to stick the ball in the end zone on 3rd & 6, I hire a football player. If I need halftime adjustments in the Super Bowl I hire a coach. And if I need analysis and evaluation I hire an analyst/evaluator. That's my point.
So that's you been sneaking in my back yard...Just be careful now because I bolted the gate shut, run concertina wire along the top of the fence and set up a couple of Claymores.
Yeah, I'm not saying he's the the most knowledgeable dude out there, but I find most of the things he says in regards to players or the team were true. I remember he was the only guy who said we would kill the Chiefs last year because we matched up so well with them, and he was right. As far as his personality goes? Again, if you don't take him too seriously, he's quite humorous with his way of talking.
I'm in the music business, producers who can't sing are the bosses, A&R's evaluate talent and sign talent, and we can't sing either. The ability to see talent, specific movements, suddenness in football players, isn't reserved for players who played at the highest level, jmo...when it comes to schemes and sh&$ like that, ok, I will defer.
I don't see why all these different talents have to be mutually exclusive. Anytime you can have some overlap, there is a good chance it is going to be beneficial. For example, R. Lee Ermey was a US Marine and Vietnam veteran. I'd say his background helped him a great deal in his role of Gunnery Sgt Hartman in Full Metal Jacket. Ermey had a few roles before FMJ, but mostly had been a technical adviser for military movies and that was his original job for FMJ. Stanley Kubrick after meeting him, and seeing the drill instructor instructional tape he made for the actors, decided to cast him as the DI, which turned out to be an excellent decision. Unusual for Kubrick was he allowed Ermey to write and edit his own dialog and also improvise when he wanted in his scenes for the role as the DI, because Kubrick wanted absolute authenticity. Two very popular cowboy character actors back in my youth were Slim Pickens and Ben Johnson. Both had worked as actual cowboys before becoming actors. I think it helped them more accurately portray their characters in western movies. Danny Trejo as a youth was a criminal and a prison convict. His background helps him bring authenticity into his roles as heavies in many of his movie roles. He's getting bigger roles lately not just supporting. Those are a few examples that come to mind, I'd guess there are others too. Is it totally necessary for actors to have practical experience relative to the roles they play? No, but it certainly does not hurt and it can help. As for writers, like I said before, his background of 14 years as a cop certainly helped Joseph Wambaugh write novels about cops, at least IMO it helped him. If one were to ask him, I doubt he'd disagree. Is it totally necessary for talent evaluators and analysts in the NFL to have also been players themselves? No it is not, but it certainly IMO cannot hurt if they were and it very well could help.
I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. But you did. You implied that because Terry Bradshaw played quarterback in the NFL he automatically evaluates talent at the position better than everyone that hasn't. It's not true. Two completely different skill sets.
