Poll: Did Philbin Do A Good Job With Chad "Cut" Converation?

I don't know a damn thing about how cuts usually go in the NFL so I can't say he handled it poorly or perfectly. I picked option 2.

 

As someone whos been on both sides of that conversation it's still one of the worst conversations you have to have with someone. Just the fact that he chose to do it himself shows a lot of character.

 

I don't think he did a very good job at it considering he knew it was going to be on TV, but don't think it really matters that much.

 

One thing I noticed, he crossed his legs and showed the bottom of his foot towards CJ. That is a sign of disrespect and superiority if you read into body language and non verbal communication.

Do that while trying to close a deal with Japanese people and they will walk away from the negotiation. Granted, there is an art to doing business with Orientals, but still. That is one thing about Philbin that stood out, whether he subconsciously does feel superior or not.

 

It's the quiet, thoughtful, demanding but fair types you have to watch out for. They are guys you go to war with and win... like Dick Winters.. Archer Vandergrift, Ray Spruance!

 

Did you just give an etiquette lesson while using the term Orientals?

 

Yes, yes I did. Try doing business with them, and let me know how you fare without doing any research first. They are very judgmental of body language, posture, insinuation, and business practice in general. What is your point?

EDIT: I know what you mean, and some consider Oriental to be offensive, but I was taught that it is the politically correct way to speak of people from 'the Orient'. Doing some reading now, and I can't believe it is considered an offensive term by many people. Luckily I've never called people Oriental. I always start by asking "What part of the Orient are you from". Lol.

You get my point regarding Philbin though! So bugger off.

 

He danced it around it way too much. Don't say "Best for you, me the organ-- blah, blah". Come out and say it. "Chad, look, you know we had a conversation recently where we discussed that behavior like this was detrimental to the reputation of the franchise. So we're gonna let you go. I'm sorry it had to come to this. I wish you luck"

I did find it funny that Philbin said "This is best for us and you" Really? How was this best for Chad Johnson? A clear sign that Philbin was really struggling. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, and like I said it's pretty tough to fire someone. Luckily, I personally have only had to fire two people. Both of them cried. It was rough

 

The thing to remember here IMO is that how he did "on camera" in terms of his "performance" in cutting Chad Johnson is far less important than the basic essentials of what the action was based on and how the sequence of events leading up to that occurred.

In the end, regardless of Philbin's "performance" on TV in making the actual cut, the cut was based on clear ground rules for Johnson that Philbin laid out from the beginning, clear communication about when those ground rules were being broken, and ultimately clear communication about what the cut was based on and how it related to those earlier conversations and ground rules.

IMO you can't ask any more than that from a guy. That's about as far from arbitrary and capricious as you can get. What that does is allow every guy playing for Joe Philbin to predict and know exactly where he stands at all times. And that lets guys go out and do their jobs without worrying about extraneous factors.

In essence Joe Philbin is creating a very good working environment through actions like these, regardless of how he "performs" on camera. Let's not lose the forest for the trees here.

 

So when you fired someone they cried and it was really tough. When Philbin fired someone they didn't cry, but shook his hand, said thank you and left without incident. And Philbin didn't do it right?

 

I was also an 18 yr. old kid at the time, but yeah, he could've done it better. Like I said, he danced around it too much.

 

So as I rewatched the Chad Johnson cut with my GF. Philbin handled it really well. I think it might have been MY emotions, and my want for Chad to be successful, took over and just made it harder for me then it really was. It really wasn't as awkward as my first reaction.

Well done Joe.

 

Yes. He could have done it a lot better.

 

You know what it reminded me of?

The first time I fired someone. I sounded just like him, qualifying everything, and "hinting" to firing him.

It is very likely that he has never cut a professional athlete in his entire career. Think about it.

 

Definitely agree. The way his feet were positioned and tapping his nails were a big no-no.

I don't think Chad attempted to plead his case, but rather say that he knew what was expected of him and he failed. Chad was trying to get his mind off of crying by itching his leg and turning his head away briefly too.

I feel bad for both parties, as I believe Chad could have helped the team and he knew his chance to play for a team is now very slim much like T.O had.

One thing I will say though is I do believe Chad's reputation can recover if done correctly by getting another chance and doing alot of good in the public's eye, like donating toward Anti-abuse against women groups etc. Remember many players have done much worse (Mike Vick , Leonard Little, etc) and recovered.

 

Doesn't change the fact, he was fired, he wasn't mean, there wasn't incident. I mean for crying out loud, Chad Biggest Mouth in Football Johnson had nothing to say but thank you for the opportunity. How do you rate that as incorrect?

 

Philbin should have told Chad to he was gone right away but don't blame Joe.
Chad called it as a rookie mistake. Right? Slamming the helmet down. He was owned by SS24 who was pushed.
Might make Smith a better CB. That might be the best thing to take from the situation.

 

Some people I talked too thought he came across as too cold and unfeeling, to which I say: He is going to have that conversation 43 times before the season starts.
Do you expect Philbin to let Chad cry on his shoulder?

Although I did feel bad for CJ. He looked like a kid is about to get scolded by his parents. He knew he ****ed up, he knew this was the end of his career.
I am truly worried about his mental state.

 

I was squirming a bit. I approved of the move to cut ocho, but the way he stammered and stuttered and balked with "I don't think this is going to work out." It was non-definitive and felt like slow torture almost.

He should have had him in, asked him how he's doing. Then said simply and finite, "we are going to let you go."

Most grown men won't go running out of the room screaming or crying, so then you can go about the "I appreciate your work ethic and all the effort", "it's not a good fit, and we need to go in another direction at this time." Then you do your praise and reasoning. But to have Ocho sit there, with his heart in his throat, and to stammer and say it without saying it. I was not a fan of the delivery.

And what's been interesting is when Irish was asked what he liked about Philbin, and he said his communication abilities. I have to be honest, I'm not impressed with his communication skills. His conversations aren't deliberate and clear. On the field and to a group, he is better. But one on one I think he struggles to express his thoughts clearly and with any type of vigor.

 

Joe Philbin gave Chad Johnson the its not you its me routine! Two Seinfeld references in a row!

 

I just have to say

1) I agree

2) You got fist pumpec By Fin-D and icx sooo Fin-Dicx

 

I think we need to move away from this. Seeing stuff on Hard Knocks is not beneficial.

 

As Section wisely mentioned, these are probably among his first cuts at this level. This thread did ask a specific question, and its no surprise opinions are all over the place.

 

Imagine the first time you ever cut someone as a head coach and it's Chad Johnson of all people....with cameras taping the whole thing.

I think Philbin got his point across to the team and that is what is important right now. In reality I bet a lot of guys would've had the gm handle this situation so I give him credit. For all we know, chad had a second conversation with ireland who told him directly "you're let go."

I think we are judging Philbin on things we'd never normally have the chance to see. I've seen people say he'll fail because he's an awkward conversationalist....what's belichik like behind closed doors? Who knows. Let's give our new coach the benefit of the doubt. Sb winning head coaches have been tough guys, thinkers, softies and criers.

 

CJ slammed his helmet down and had to be consoled by Garrard for what was called a rookie mistake by Ocho.
Low risk but bad for the football team. Easy to see.
Specific question that was answered. I stated last night that Philbin danced around it while on a reality show.
He knew it was coming.
All I said was move on.

 

We can all agree that all of this was probably Obama's fault though, no?

 

Darn straight Skippy, I've had to fire many employees in my career, it is ALWAYS the hardest thing you ever have to do. Phibin handled it professionally and with dignity & grace.

 

Honestly I was hoping for a 'Child, Please! Your cut!'.

 

Really? Cuz he did it in two leather recliners, when ever I have had to release some one usually it happens in a formal office with a desk or table between each other. there was nothing separating them. Joe was sitting in the chair probably as he normally would with one foot rolled over and the other foot on top. He wasn't drumming his fingers but seemed to be anxiously rolling them as I;m sure it was a rather uncomfortable situation. CJ walked out dejected but obviously not ready to rip his head off either. The confrontation ended with both men shaking hands and both calmly walking to and out of the door. Philbins point was made and no histrionics happened so in my mind it was effective and positively productive for Coach, He made it out alive none the worse for wear and CJ got the message and was escorted out of the facilities.

Really? we are critiquing his ability to can a possible liability for the company and no one was out of hand like it could have been...

 

It was in a dimly lit back office. The only thing that was really rough for me was that they BEGGED for me not to fire them. I was cool up until that point. Maybe that's what got to Philbin a little bit. Chad seemed to know it was coming and kinda pleaded with all the "buy into the system" / "I've never been in trouble before" stuff.

 

Tough situation for Philbin & Johnson and he did it about as well as anyone could expect.

 

When I originally posted I had only heard the audion on NFL Sirus and they did not play the whole thing. After watching HK last night I have to agree with SEC126 in that it came off as his 1st release/firing. I still think he did a good job and probably better than average given the circumstance. He went on a little to long and he had a hard time closing the conversation.

 

Saying any form of body language is "a big no-no" attributes a level of scientific reliability to "body language" that just isn't warranted IMO.

On top of that, Joe Philbin's body language, whatever it was, in individual instances like these, is far less important than the way he handles his authority as the head coach of 53 men and the leader of a group of assistant coaches.

What Joe Philbin is showing in my view is that he's very fair and is willing to take the time to communicate with guys to make clear his expectations and let them know when they are and are not being met. He is willing to respect the people he has authority over enough to take the time to sit them down and explain himself and his actions, even when their actions, like Johnson's, are problematic.

The overall way the team is being run is far more important than Joe Philbin's body language IMO.