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Monday practice

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. CWBIII

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  2. dolfan22

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  3. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Okay DF22, got to ask: who's the gal in your sig?
     
  4. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Then by all means, don't let us stop you. :shifty:
     
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  5. ToddPhin

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    You racist!













    :tongue2:
     
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  6. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Even if Tannehill had the worst practice of his life...please tell me which of these QB's never had a bad day of practice their rookie season especially (whether they played or not)

    Dan Marino
    Joe Montana
    Troy Aikman
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Matt Ryan
    Eli Manning
    Bob Griese
    Cam Newton
    Aaron Rodgers
    John Elway

    What you mean they've all had subpar practice days? SIMPLY CANT BE TRUE.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Probably not the case, but it would fit since the theme of Omar's day seemed to be special teams...but I wonder if the Dolphins shouldn't experiment with USC's "field goal option" look on extra points or short field goals.

    This is the best look I can get at the formation.

    [video=youtube;aaKBKqWnINo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaKBKqWnINo[/video]

    Essentially, if Matt Barkley gets the look he wants to get initially, instead of lining up and kicking the extra point he goes ahead and throws for the 2 point conversion.

    Here's more of an explanation:

    http://trojanfootballstatistics.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/usc-at-cal-4th-down-attempt-analysis/

    I would LOVE to see the Dolphins experimenting with this on red zone field goals and extra points. They've already brought innovation in from the college level (split field practices). Why stop there?
     
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  8. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I do like how this:
    was sandwiched between this:
    and this:
    Then of course there's this:
    So, yeah, HORRIBLE PRACTICE GUYS TANNEHILL ISN'T READY YET OMAR IS SMARTER THAN ALL OF YOU.
     
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  9. ckparrothead

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    USC also has a different sort of "swinging gate" look for extra points, wherein Matt Barkley makes the determination based on pre-snap read whether to go with the 2-point conversion try or whether to re-formation everyone back into a field goal look.

    [video=youtube;pEF-47UWa6M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEF-47UWa6M[/video]
     
  10. ckparrothead

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    Yeah, see that's what I don't get. And it seemed like before the practice was even underway, Omar was setting up for this "horrible practice" when he said the following:

     
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  11. finsincebirth

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    Doesn't that depend on having a kick who can either A) be a receiver also or B) block someone?
     
  12. ToddPhin

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    Interesting. I wouldn't mind seeing us run it live just to see it.


    If this were still a Sparano run team the jokes about the "secret formation" would be endless..... like us not splitting out 2 TEs and a FB on 3rd & long. :lol:
     
  13. vizi0n

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    He's also said Wallace has had bad practices yet I see other tweets talking about his great progress and we all saw he had a good game Friday...

    Sent from my XT875 using Tapatalk 2
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    No more than the Wildcat depends on having a QB that can either A) be a receiver also or B) block someone.
     
  15. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    You know keep this on the down low...Tony would kill me if he knew I told...but did you know right before he got canned, Tony started drawing up plays from this crazy new innovative formation he'd never seen or heard of before. It was your basic I Formation....but get this, instead of a TE it used three WR. Crazy stuff huh?
     
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  16. finsincebirth

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    I thought that was always the complaint about the wildcat (other than needing a RB who could throw for it to really work)? You have your QB who a lot of times just sits out there as a decoy and doesn't do anything. It was like having one less player on the field. Plus that kicker for USC didn't look like the average size for a kicker.
     
  17. ToddPhin

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    :lol:
    .... but did he pass out of it? :chuckle:
     
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  18. Alex44

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    That question is the one Tony still wakes up in a cold sweat debating upon.
     
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  19. CaribPhin

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    Two TE's split wide on a passing down? Sounds like New England. I guess Kevin Faulk isn't a FB though...
     
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  20. ckparrothead

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    That's never been raised as a complaint about the wildcat. In fact, it's quite the opposite. The wildcat is notorious for actually creating a numbers inequality in favor of the offense, because you now don't have a useless quarterback whose sole job is to hand the ball from one player to another lined up in the central formation.

    The criticism of the wildcat surrounds the person taking the direct snap and whether he can accurately throw the football or not. But even that doesn't stop it from being a useful run formation, especially in short yardage and goal line.

    Never noticed. In his entire USC career he's never run the ball or caught the ball.
     
  21. Alex44

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    Except their idea of a TE is way different than Mr. Sparanos idea
     
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  22. Tone_E

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    I hope Tony Sparano didn't renew his club membership. This is the kind of crazy stuff he was hired to implement over there. :)

    Also, if they don't get the look they like, they go back to FG formation. Wouldn't there be one or two defensive calls that automatically bring them back into FG formation? Once the NFL catches on, they will always force the re-alignment when faced with this option, no?
     
  23. finsincebirth

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    I don't know why, but I thought I remember there being complaints about that. Maybe I'm just remembering people worrying about the QB (potentially) getting hurt while blocking someone and attributing it to that. Oh well.
     
  24. Alex44

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    I'd say no to the last paragraph.

    Same formation doesn't equal same play. One defensive look may be perfect against the run play you play to use but horrible against the pass play you've chosen. I'd assume there isn't enough time to audible the play call (run to pass) and still get back into FG formation if the defense readjusts. So it would just depend on the initial call (run vs pass and routes)

    I may be wrong.
     
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  25. Tone_E

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    Makes sense I guess, but the NFL has a way of protecting vs. both.
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    If you read the article, they address that a little bit.

    Essentially, your pre-snap read on whether to go for it, is going to change every game...and teams aren't going to know what you have in mind. As you can see in the Cal example, Cal reacted by matching numbers on numbers...so how do they know whether that is something USC wanted or did not want? It turned out to be something USC wanted, and so they executed the fake.

    Also, if you know that the offense has a tendency to use these field goal options, that can change your decisions about who to use on your block units. The example given was how Matt Kalil was a favorite of the Trojans' to be placed on field goal block units, as he'd blocked 3 field goals. Well, if you're facing a team you know likes to get cute with the field goal option, maybe you're forced to re-think putting Matt Kalil on the field, because he's an offensive tackle by trade and probably can't play defense very well. So the net effect of the charade may be that you've just caused the opposition's FG block unit to lose their most effective blocker. So even if you never run a fake or anything, you've done something positive.
     
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  27. Alex44

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    True. Which I would guess is why we don't see it in the NFL yet and I'd guess you'd need to trust your QB to make a very accurate read.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    Yes. That was a concern that was raised. But the NFL rules even caught up to that one. If the quarterback makes no attempt to block, then if the defender runs up to him and murders him then it's now a penalty.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    Another thing to consider is tight ends tend to be big in field goal protect units. Miami's tight ends unit is considerably stronger and deeper than its wide receivers unit (in my opinion). In fact, they have talked about lining up entire formations near the end zone with as many as 3 (possibly 4?) tight ends.

    One down side for most teams running a field goal option would be that they don't have wide receivers on the field. For most teams that would take one of their best players off the field. For the Dolphins, it doesn't.

    Does anyone know if any of our QBs have worked as holder during camp? It's usually Brandon Fields. I know Ryan Tannehill did it at Texas A&M and insisted on keeping the job in 2010 even after he was elevated to starter.
     
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  30. CaribPhin

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    IDK, David Martin and Fasano had a great 2008 and we were at least somewhat interested in Jimmy Graham. Sometimes the board doesn't align well.
     
  31. Alex44

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    Would you compare either Martin or Fasano to the NE core of TE's when it comes to skill set though?
     
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  32. djphinfan

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    All you need to know about this dudes opinion on Qb's is from the first practice, Tannehill looked so good, it was just very exciting, even Philbin was at a loss for words as to how good he was...Omar summed his performance up as ok but with two ints..he forgot to say the two passes were perfect and were blatant drops..

    Even Ck I believe, who has really given him a chance, thinks that he's untrustworthy in this particular situation..
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    The only thing I'll stipulate is that yes Omar did actually explain that the interceptions were tipped.
     
  34. Disgustipate

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    I don't think Mastrud is going to be challenged by someone with versatility. The reason why he was playing so early vs. the Bucs in my mind was solely because he can block. None of our other tight ends can block worth a damn(except maybe Clay, but in the backfied). I think it's possible that he's winning out as a blocking specialist against our fullbacks too- Both Lane and Messam are recently converted halfbacks, and the pure blocker, Mahaffey, is behind Lane.

    A possible solution I'd like if there's a spot for a blocking specialist is throw Will Yeatman back into the mix. If you're already ok with them not being a good receiver, why not just throw out a bigger guy who knows how to go into motion, maybe knows how to line up in the backfield?
     
  35. ToddPhin

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    Personally, I dont think Martin & Fasano qualify as one of the best TE tandems in NFL history.
     
  36. Alex44

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    Exactly, but to take it further that isn't my point - whether they are good or not.

    I'm saying they aren't the same TYPE of players.
     
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  37. ckparrothead

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    Ahem, Anthony Fasano?
     
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  38. ckparrothead

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    If you look through Green Bay's history at the Tight End position, you'll rarely find a player on roster that fits Jeron Mastrud's description.

    You'll see some Anthony Fasanos, you'll see some Charles Clays, you'll even see some Les Browns. You don't see many (if any) Jeron Mastruds.
     
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    I'd be concerned with having Egnew and Les Brown on the field in a 4TE Field Goal formation if we end up having to actually kick.
     
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  40. Alex44

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    Les Brown couldn't block an intersection with traffic cones, a neon jacket and a stop sign.

    Egnew Id be less concerned about. Not the best blocked but he can hold up on a FG unit IMO.
     
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