*The Official 2011-12 NBA Thread*

a 2-3 seed in The Basketball Playoffs? In the NBA?

 

I think he means ABA.

 

With the Bulls, and Heat in the same conference, I don't know how 2 got into the equation. By the way, what conference are the Nets in again? Then there are the Celtics, who just got Terry, and Indiana, who had the 5th best record in the NBA last season. Gotta love how having Carmello gives them hope though...

 

rofl

 

I honestly hope the Knicks are good enough to last long enough to meet the heat in the playoffs for the next 3 years. We have some prime time payback due for all the wasted Alonzo/Hardaway years.

 

Miami
Chicago
New Jersey
Indiana
Boston

are all better than New York. Maybe Philly too.

 

Coming from the same guy who has said he expects NY to be in the ECF regularly? The rest of you dopes are just Knicks haters who have no interest in being honest with yourselves. Same people who double as Dolphins fans so have to claim Tom Brady sucks. Putzes.

 

That was when I thought they had one more move to make. They still have a move to make for me to retract. Trade Amare.

 

Define "making noise". I wouldn't consider making the ECF due Chicago being shorthanded and losing to Miami in 4 or 5 "making noise".

 

I never said the Knucks would make the ECF. I have little faith in Carmelo doing what it takes to become a winner in the playoffs.

 

Problem with the Knicks is that they have the Shell of a VERY GOOD team..but they have certain players holding them down:

JR Smith: An absolute Bum, that managed to play hard for the first time in weeks vs. Miami in the 1st round.
Amare: Can't play with Tyson Chandler. I thought that would be the case when they signed TC, I think I was proven right.
Jeremy Lin: Might have the worst contract in the NBA. This guy parlayed a coach using him in a 1-4 offense into a giant contract when he can't play against pressure defense.

Lin is the worst one. An inspired move would have been a trade for Kyle Lowry. Or a Min. Signing of Jerryd Bayless.

Still..to this day..the best offseason move belongs to Toronto, getting Lowry for a 1st rd. pick.

 

Knicks have a ton of talent and if they ever put in the effort to win would be real scary. Problem is they won't. Melo only plays defense or rebounds when he wants. Melo won't play team ball or movement offense, he only plays iso ball. Amare is a good teammate and can be an offensive force but again isn't playing defense or rebounding consistently. Chandler is obviously a defensive force but offensively leaves a lot to be desired. JR Smith is a crazy talent but his ego and self permitted green light to shoot kills teams. Lin is a young guy and shows flashes of excellent play....jury is still out. Shumpert is an excellent talent and shows defensive shutdown ability but can't hit a shot right now. Main theme is they have talent but won't put it together as a team, and it starts with their best players

 

The thing is the Patriots have been a great team who are contstantly in SB discussions.
The Knicks are a mediocre team who are constantly in 8th seed discussions.

Melo doesnt play defense at all.

 

To say a guy doesn't play defense at all is just a gross exaggeration. He doesn't give full effort, we all see that. What's sad is he can play defense and rebound well if he wants to.

 

lol

 

Joe Johnson's contract is still the worst, but Lin's is just awful.

It's as if the Knicks' contract negotiators don't talk to their scouts and coaches beforehand.

 

Lins contract isn't close to being awful not to mention its way to early to deem it one way or another. Let him play a little bit before you kill the guy

 

A $30 million dollar contract to a guy who needs to "play a little bit" DOESN'T strike you as awful?

 

No it's not awful, yet. Not to mention they had to sign him. No other real PG option and they need a starting PG. Kid also wanted to go there to mentor him. So in short, not a 4 year deal for 30M in today's NBA is not an awful contract, not yet

 

i don't think the BKY GM understood what "getting stacked" means.

 

Lin's contract is worth it because he is going to make the Knicks a ton of money.

Lin's contract is awful because he isn't good enough of a basketball player to warrant that kind of money.

 

Bingo!

 

In todays NBA it isn't even a ton of money. Granted in limited time he did show he was a good player. Will it continue is another question.

 

I bet you think the Marlins should give Justin Ruggiano a big pay day, then.

 

PERFECT EXAMPLE.

Justin Ruggiano has possibly been the best hitter in the National League in the last 21 games. (Sound familiar yet?)

That makes that a MUCH larger sample size than what Jeremy Lin did.

So I am sure, that nobody would have a problem with the Marlins giving Ruggiano a 30 million dollar contract.

 

Well Ruggiano didn't single-handedly save the Knicks season. Decimated team with injuries on the verge og missing the playoffs and he sparked more than just jersey sales. He sparked the team, the media, the fans, etc.

I'm not saying I fully trust he will be good but in essentially his rookie year he averaged 15 and 6 which is pretty damn good. And for 7M per year thats not a lot in todays NBA. Todays NBA overpays for everyone. lol Brook Lopez has 3 max deals on the table lol

 

Neither did Lin.

More importantly, having a really good month is not worth $30 million dollars to any team with a brain.

 

Guys like Ruggiano pop up a dozen times a year in the MLB . It's much less common for guys like Lin to to have random sample sizes of very high level play in the NBA..

That's not a great example. Also, if Ruggiano could make Miami a ton of money in a large foreign market, they would, and should, sign him to that.

 

Lin did what he did versus a bunch of teams that couldn't defend PG's.

As soon as he faced the Heat, they embarrassed him, and then everybody else followed suit till he was complaining about a knee injury and sitting out playoff games in order to avoid damaging his Free Agent worth any further.

 

That's fine but it doesn't change anything I said in my previous post.

 

J. Colangelo says that the Knicks have indicated that they might match Landry Fields offer sheet.

I am not making this up, although it sounds like it.

 

Lin did save their season, I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. As far as the 30M, you're too caught up in that. ITs not a ridiculous deal, not in todays NBA. 7M is worth the risk. And if he shows he is a 15 and 6 guy throughtout the yeat then it becomes a good contract in todays crazy NBA.

Let me give you an example, Dragic did less and just got a 34M deal. I think both have a chance to be good so I'm not going to kill either team. Its the going rate in todays NBA. And if he continues to be a 15 and 6 guy its a damn good contract.

 

Getting rid of a coach that refused to have his team play defense saved the season for the Kanicks. Lin had a very small run of good to decent games and then was sidelined due to injury. Once their new coach emphasized defense the team instantly improved.

Did Lin help them? Sure but to say he saved the season on a team with Anthony, Chandler, and Amare is a bit of a stretch.

 

Lin actually saved the season with D'Antoni as the coach and Melo and Amare were out with injury. lol now whats your excuse?

 

According to ESPN Nets are announcing they are out of the running for D12

 

Alex Kennedy: The Magic informed Dwight Howard that they are suspending trade talks, according to source. Orlando will now focus on their coaching search

 

Long Story short. The Heat are every good at their job.

The Heat front office in their Mock of where players would wind up, had Dwight Howard NOT going to the Nets. They had him going to the Lakers BTW.

 

It felt like a total pipe dream by Brooklyn to me from the start. So many moving pieces and I didn't see much incentive for Orlando to do it.

 

This would send me into a rage, Fields should've been shipped to Denver long before Gallinari.

 

No it isnt, he has zero defensive presence, ZERO.