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*The Official 2011-12 NBA Thread*

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Dec 26, 2011.

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  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good, did not want.
     
  2. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    How the hell will they afford him? Their depth is going to be absolute ****.
     
  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Because the idiot GMs in the NBA look at the Heat and think "top heavy, no depth, won a title, let's do the same." Of course, their assessment is totally off; not only are the Heat a deep team when the bench just plays to its individual averages, but the watered-down Big 3 rosters these teams are trying to assemble are ridiculous. They're indeed sacrificing their own depth for an inferior grouping of semi-star players. (Hi, Brooklyn!)
     
  4. Yellow Snowman

    Yellow Snowman New Member

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    NBA and their stupid soft cap. They can afford who they want as long as they're willing to pay the luxury tax. The billionaire russian mob owner doesnt care about money so he can pay 800M for player salaries if he wants lol
     
  5. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    To an extent but they still won't have anything to offer beyond their big 3 who are all taking Max deals. I mean we are going to be a DEEP team in comparison to what they will have coming off the bench. Their depth would be truly horrendous.
     
  6. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with you here. He is player that every team in the NBA would love to have on their roster.

    Last season he shot 45% from the field and 39% from three while limiting his turnovers. I'm not saying he is the best PG in the league, but he's a pretty good PG that can run the offense.
     
  7. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Are GMs really REALLY this dumb?

    Hey they signed the best player on the planet a top five and a top 20 talent.

    If we sign a top 5 talent a borderline top 10 talent and a top 20 talent and have nothing left for role players we will be the better team!

    In what universe does that logic work?
     
  8. Yellow Snowman

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    Heat worked because LeBrons greatness, nothing else. Brooklyn is actually building a better and more balanced team. As of now LeBrons greatness will still carry them through, but I'm not sure thats the case if Brooklyn gets Dwight.
     
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    There are a good number of NBA GMs who evaluate potential trades by loading up NBA 2k and playing a few games with the proposed roster.

    I am not making this up.

    I'm slowly becoming convinced that this is a parody account.
     
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  10. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    And thats all you need in Miami....you dont need a CP3 etc...
     
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  11. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Brooklyn doesn't have crappy players. Fielding a lineup of Deron, Johnson, Wallace, ___, and Howard will be beastly. The problem is that they will have a harder time signing quality players to round out the team with a total lack of cap room.
     
  12. Yellow Snowman

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    Sadly he didntplay well, it was well documented, and his shot was terrible 2nd half of the year and almost all of the playoffs. Limiting his turnovers? All he does is dribble up the court and pass to LeBron. Yes he is a valuable player, but as a starter and a guy the team needs to hit shots he is not. There is a reason he didn't start over Arroyo, or Bibby, and they like to bench him for miller. Chalmers just doesnt hit shots consistently enough and he doesnt run the offense. He needs to get his shot more consistent and get his defense back to it was a few years ago.

    perhaps the lockout got hi fat and slow, i'm not sure. but his defense was awful last year but 1 game vs Lin
     
  13. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    No you're missing the point.

    Lebron, Wade, and Bosh left money on the table to allow the team to flesh out with role players. Just because it's a soft cap doesn't mean you can spend whatever you want, you're still only allowed to allot so much money within predetermined thresholds.

    The problem for Brooklyn is JJ has possibly the worst contract in the league, Deron just took max $$$ and Dwight wants to be paid to. This means all the guys we bought with $3 and $5 mil per year contracts the will NOT have. They will only have players who can play for the min after their big 3. Their situation is drastically worse than ours. Their bench will be the leftover fodder who couldn't sign for more than the minimum anywhere else. It doesn't matter what's in the owners pocket. There is still some structure to the soft cap and they will be positively hamstrung.
     
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  14. schmolioot

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    Brooklyn with D-Will and Dwight would have two top 10 players, like us, and would have them at spots where we're weaker.

    Now Brooklyn has nobody to deal with our Big 3, but they would certainly be a challenge.

    However, LeBron is still the ebst player by a significant margin in the matchup and a healthy Wade is probably still better than D-Will.
     
  15. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    You seem to think using the phrase "it's been well documented" lends credence to your argument. It does not. Just because some moron like Skip Bayless said something once does not make it "well documented." you are being roundly rejected by a chat room full of people who understand basketball and watch the Miami Heat regularly. You can dislike Chalmers if you like but your arguments this far have been weakly presented and are not persuasive.
     
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  16. Yellow Snowman

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    Heat don't have a bench either. And the NBA has a soft cap. Its becoming increasingly obvious the billionaire russian mob boss owner is going to pay what he has to, even if it means paying tens of millions in luxury tax. The guy is building a team, and not just with 3 players who take less than max. His guys are taking max and he is still adding wallace and other players. I assume you are a Heat fan, but lets not be naive to what Brooklyn is building and what type of excellent team they're building in just 1 year
     
  17. Yellow Snowman

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    It isn't Skip, the team including teamates, coaches, and Rio himself have said it. Announcers have brought it up every game. Sorry I proved you horribly wrong, time to deal with it.

    To make it worse is Skip actually believes what you do, so who is the dummy now? Skip loves Chalmers. lol
     
  18. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Miami doesn't have much of a bench, but when they do it shows up in the clinching game of the Finals.
     
  19. Yellow Snowman

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    And what a glorious day that was. Thank you Mike Miller!
     
  20. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Your use of adjectives is colorful if inaccurate. Horribly wrong? So give me facts, links. Who said it when, what was the context. When did Chalmers come out and say he wasnt playing well. I gave you a link STATISTICALLY showing how badly Chalmers beat Rose head to head. When will you give me something tangible?
     
  21. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    You are showing a lack of understanding in how the cap functions and what you can do within it. If Brooklyn signs Howard for the max they won't have the capability to sign much anything besides min contracts. They're are rules to it besides just paying a luxury tax.

    It is well documented
     
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  22. rafael

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    Not only that, but he's great fit. He can shoot the three and defend well. He was second only to Lebron in the +/- for the Heat, just ahead of Wade. I also see him as a developing player. Calling him garbage is just a ridiculous, ill-informed statement. He is arguably our most important piece behind the big 3. (I would put Battier in that argument as well). Before the season, I would have said Haslem or Miller, but I don't think it played out that way. Going forward I expect/hope our top 8 rotation to be Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Battier, Haslem, Coles, Allen (hopefully). And then depth of James Jones, Rashard Lewis (hopefully), Pittman and maybe Camby (hopefully).
     
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  23. SICK

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    lmfao
     
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  24. Yellow Snowman

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    Sorry I started laughing in that post when you spelled "played" as "plaid" lol. Ok to your link, the mere fact you tried comparing Rio to Rose shows your lack of basketball knowledge. Rose blows by Chalmers with ease but the Heat did a good job after that with team defense allowing a bigger body like Lebron to slide down and make his jump stop shots more difficult. The fact that you think it was Chalmers slowing him is just comical.

    You want proof of people commenting on Chalmers struggles, just put on any game 2nd half last year and turn up your volume. They talk about it every game. You want articles just search Mario Chalmers struggles and you'll find pages of "Chalmers was struggling until game 4 in the finals". But I know that won't be enough for you so here is coming right from Chalmers tweet:

    "Gotta get back to being me. My struggles will not continue"

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  25. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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  26. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    So we're going to label him a garbage player because he had one slump?
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    Yes, the team hates him so much they gave him a new contract after last season
     
  28. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Wow your argument hinges on how hilarious my misspelling a word I sent from an IPhone was. Solid stuff there.

    And nice straw man you killed. I never said Rio is better than Rose. I said he owns him head to head. Which he does. And everyone here except you acknowledges.

    And one tweet from Chalmers whole his three was off is your coup de grace?

    Let's put it this way. Youve been arguing for about five pages. The only person you've convinced of anything is yourself.
     
  29. Yellow Snowman

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    Nba has all kinda of BS exceptions. Brooklyn will have 3 guys all making millions per year more than the heat 3 and yet they still have room for a guy like Wallace. I do get what you're saying but I think you guys are overstating it a bit. Players will want to play there and they'll be fine getting other players on that team. They're building something nice and if Howard goes there all heat fans should be getting worried. Brooklyn will be a force in the near future
     
  30. Yellow Snowman

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    You're a homer, nothing I can do about it. I told you where you can find pages of Chalmers struggling comments and articles. But it's ok, because you're a homer you know more than Chalmers himself, his teammates, and his coaches about him struggling. They all agree with me that he struggled 2nd half of year and almost all of the playoffs but you think you're right...it's comical.


    Let me conclude, the fact that you say Chalmers owns rose is just fail on your part. Heat team defense gives him trouble because he gets in the lane and athletic wing players and bigs challenge him. Lol you think it's Chalmers...pure comedy
     
  31. MikeHoncho

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    Don't have to tell me twice. I realized this as soon as they signed the collegiate Player of the Year, 2 -time NBA champion, 2nd team all-rookie, Turkish league champion, Naismith Award finalist Adam Morrison.
     
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  32. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Calling me a homer and saying I'm wrong do not invalidate my argument. Saying how "hilarious" and "comical" my comments are (which EVERYONE but you here agrees with) do not invalidate my argument. They are from the week sauce university of posting. When you are incapable of making a point you get abrasive and attack the other poster. I dont like it as you are offering nothing constructive or worthwhile to debate.

    I showed you stats that documented how they have done head to head. Chalmers iced Rose in the NCAA championship famously. Your inability to concede a point just because it doesn't fit the narrative in your head shows a lack of cognitive flexibility as well.
     
  33. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Here's the funnier thing. I've been on Mario's case forever. I am so not a homer for Mario it isn't funny. It's just that your argument on how bad he is is so terrible I feel the need to dissent.
     
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  34. Yellow Snowman

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    More fail by you, Memphis free throws failed them, not Chalmers icing. I'm going to say it to you again and for the last time...


    ....Chalmers admits he was struggling, teammates admit Chalmers was struggling, coaches admit Chalmers was struggling. If you want to go against all those people in the situation so you can pump up your Internet message board ego then have at it man. You can pretend to win this debate if you want.
     
  35. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Bosh played an excellent Finals. Chalmers made key plays throughout the series as well. LeBron definitely does the heavy lifting, but these ain't the LeBron Cavs.
     
  36. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Knicks sign jason kidd according to marc stein twitter. Ten years too late....:(
     
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  37. Mainge

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    Brooklyn can't get Dwight without giving up Wallace. You have a clear misunderstanding of the rules.

    Chalmers struggled for a single month where he shot 27% from 3. He was fine every other month including playoffs where he shot 36% from 3. Let's not blow something out of proportion. Also, the thought of Norris Cole starting on this team is nauseating to me. We need someone who can provide spacing and stretch the floor. Cole is not that. He's pretty overrated by a lot of Heat fans to be honest. He's just not a good offensive player at this point.
     
  38. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Chalmers struggled in the second half of the season. But he had a HUGE game four of the finals and two terrific games in the ECF. You can't cherry pick what is significant to fit your argument. This isn't about "winning" an Internet argument, it is setting the facts straight. Struggling though the second half of a season where you were lights out the first half AND showing up big in pivotal playoff games hardly counts as garbage when all you are counted on to do is supplement the time not give to players named James, Wade, or Bosh.
     
  39. MikeHoncho

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    Ah, they finally found an apt replacement for Bibby.One step at a time...
     
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  40. Yellow Snowman

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    I agree to an extent. I can see how you would interpret me saying its the lebron cabs, but it was not my intent. Clearly the heat are better than the Cleveland teams he had. I'm just saying they're flawed, have had injuries, and still got it done because lebron is just that great.
     
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