*The Official 2011-12 NBA Thread*

I just don't agree that a max contract for a big that can only play inside is a good allocation of resources in today's NBA unless he's extraordinarily dominant. The cap will fit about three max guys. Using one of those max contracts on an inside-only big means you have to not use one on a perimeter player. I see that as ultimately limiting. To use an NFL analogy, it's like Wanny/Schotty ball that focused on the run. It got you regular season wins and to the playoffs, but was not good enough against the SB contending teams. Maybe Portland is happy just making the playoffs. If so the deal for Hibbert makes sense. But to contend for a title you need scorers who cannot be so easily negated (along with great team defense).

 

So much for Dwight Howard to the Nets. LMAO! Good for him. Now let's trade his "loyal" *** somewhere where else.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19464836

 

they cant get him still??

Nets did well to keep Brooks too....hey Boik look Morrow is gone...

 

Not if D-Will resigns, along with Gerald Wallace. It would be great if he ends up going there and Deron bolts town to go to Dallas.

 

Hilarious. I hope it goes down so Dwight is left hanging out to dry

 

What the heck are the Magic going to do if the Nets don't take Howard? Moreso, what is Howard going to do? He has made it clear now that he wants out of Orlando...but only to Brooklyn. Brooklyn is apparently moving on without him so does he open up his options as to where he would sign an extension if traded? Or play out the season and sign elsewhere next year?

Atlanta may have room at that point, but short of them, I am not sure who will have the money to offer him a max contract. This has gone about as horribly bad as it can go for D-12.

 

Cleveland has PLENTY of cap room.

 

So that means not just one, but two teams thought Joe Johnson was worth a max contract.

Wow.

 

Dwights from ATL if I remember correctly. Maybe that's what ATL is hoping for.

 

LOL Dwight would be so stupid to go to ATL now at this point. He ****ed himself, and although he will probably be traded I could still envision him tucking tail and resigning with Orlando after kissing some media ***.

 

I love Johnson but he has one of the worst contracts in sports. What is Brooklyn doing here??

 

Trying to get butts in the seats.

 

... We all now know where your mind is...

 

Hint: Because Accountants make alot of money.

 

This.

D12 is worthless without shooting. Hibbert is worthless vs. mobile frontlines.

 

Huh? What?

The Pistons were a motion offense perimeter oriented team with a post game fueled by a point guard and a small forward. The Celtics were also a motion offense perimeter oriented team with KG making cameo appearances in the post.

and your only real example (Lakers) were fueled by the triangle offense that featured a perimeter player (Kobe) being the focus down the stretch.

Last TRUE post playing team was the 2006 Heat..and even THAT team had D-Wade and three point shooters down the stretch.

San Antonio had a mid post player and perimeter players.

Last true pivot team to win was the three-peat lakers. ..A DECADE AGO.

 

Hmm, 05/07 Spurs ring any bells?

And merely having a "3 pt shooter" does not mean offense was not run through the post.

 

I mentioned them. Both of those Spurs teams were mid post, perimeter oriented teams.

and the opposite on the other question. Most three point shooting teams are run through penetration and post play. Problem is that it is usually a guard or small forward running offense through the post.

still stands. Three-peat Lakers were last pivot team to win.

 

I dont know whats funnier, the fact that the Nets would rather have Joe Johnson than Howard, or that Howard has dug himself into a very very very large hole.

 

I think the Hawks are making some great moves here. Didn't Ferry take over as GM this year? I approve so far.

 

1st rule of hole digging: When you're in one, stop digging.

 

The former. Definitely the former.

 

The discussion began as to whether building a team around a Big man was outdated, and if having your team be pivot oriented works anymore. There is no question about that anymore.

If we are going to get into great detail, the best defensive teams in the last 30 years in the NBA, featured little to no shot blocking, and had specialists as their centers/bigs. The last max contract Center to win a title was SHAQ, and before him The Dream, before that? Kareem.

 

Received this today

 

You're missing the point. Having size and/or shot blocking is a good thing, but it only make sense to spend max money on that player if he also is versatile enough to be effective both inside and outside. Today's NBA is too perimeter oriented to spend max money on a guy that is limited to the inside.

 

smh....I hope MarShon doesn't go to that NBA abyss.......

 

The Nets would have a very good core under that scenario but would have nothing else. Unlike the Heat's Big 3, D-Will and Howard don't appear inclined to leave a cent on the table and Johnson's contract is a huge albatross. Throw in Gerald Wallace's ridiculous $40 million and you have an extremely top heavy team, moreso than the Heat.

Particularly a problem where the two best pieces have both been somewhat injury prone. Howard's back injury was alot more serious than people realize.

But yes, these moves would make the Nets #2 in the East and very good candidate to meet the Heat in the ECF.

 

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Depending on the length or size of the deal I would not mind getting Humphries. He'd be a very good backup big imo.

 

Who would he backup on the Cavs? Jamison's gone.......right?

 

Ideally he'd back up Tristan Thompson.

And I'd rather have Humphries as a starter than ****ing Jamison.