http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/23/2812639/former-miami-hurricanes-lamar.html#storylink=cpy One positive the writer left off Vern's positive list was NFL strength, it's legit, and when you combine that with that motor you keep hearing about (film shows good motor as well) at 21 years old, not playing a lot of ball, I think next year this kid could of elevated his stock big time if he were in college, but hopefully good for us that he isn't. Man, if we scored on these two kids, Lamar Miller was a redshirt SOPHMORE, it's exciting that Philbin likes Lamar's hands and that he seems to want to get him on the field..our third and fourth round picks could get some serious play this year.
I was a big fan of Lamar Miller in college. Anytime he gets the ball it could go for big yards. He's just not an inside, tough yards runner.
While I think Lamar Miller is the real deal, Olivier Vernon is the type of player that scares me. A very talented player who didn't have the college production. He is the type of player who if he had the numbers he would have been a first round pick, however he didn't. It could be because of the circumstances, and it could be because he doesn't have the ability. So far he says all the right things, however it is very rare to read an interview with a player that states, "I am going to be lazy and not work out very hard."
Here's some rationale behind the lack of numbers: http://www.finsnation.com/fins_nation/2012/05/dolphins-draft-rundown-part-1.html This is ck's work btw.
I think there is a big difference between being an "inside" runner and a "tough yards" runner. I've only seen a limited amount of Miller (so please correct me if I'm wrong here), and he obviously isn't a tough yards runner... but to me he doesn't have any trouble running inside. In fact, I felt that the majority of his runs (at least the highlights I've seen) come from him running in between the tackles. In fact, that seemed to really stand out to me b/c I was expecting to see a guy that bounced everything outside and took advantage of his speed on the perimeter. However, that didn't appear to be the case...
I love how some individuals on here go crazy about a player who has done nothing in the NFL but look good in shorts. I think Miller will be an effective player in the NFL, but like you, I want to see the production on the field during the regular season before I start judging his overall chances in the NFL. As a big Hurricane fan, I watched Vernon during his playing days at UM. He played well in 2010, but because of his suspension in 2011, he never was the player he was a year earlier. He also may end up being a productive NFL player but I think there are a lot of questions regarding his ability and that is why he wasn't taken in the first two rounds in the first place. Right now every Miami Dolphin appears to be in a stud. Yet it is easy to appear that way when you are running around in shorts and shirts. It all comes down to how these players respond once they put on pads and line up against another team. That is when we will see what these players are really capable of doing on an NFL playing field.
so you wanna see players play real games before to judge them right, how about the negativity over tannehill or the love for andrew luck, have they played a game in the NFL yet ?
You are correct but they very well may end up playing like first rounders when all is said and done. At the very worst imo, they will play like where they where drafted which isn't a terrible thing.
There's another school of thought that players in the Randy Shannon era were coached so poorly, that despite their high potential, they were never given the right coaching to properly develop and produce in college. There's the common example of the Packers scout that said he was blown away by the fact that Sam Shields had no idea on how to watch film. He was a highly touted recruit that had converted from WR at Miami and was pretty bad for the most part at CB. He was signed as a UDFA by the Packers and became a key cog on a Super Bowl team. He's not the only example though. Calais Campbell was seen as a player that was a "waste of talent" in college and has become a very good pro.