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[Updated] Junior Seau Dead at 43 | Commits Suicide

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Agua, May 2, 2012.

  1. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    And you're just judging him who is judging them who judgeth
     
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  2. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Okay I will also make this perfectly clear, if it isnt a suicide I take back saying what I said about Seau.....absolutely....I eat more crow about the man himself.....if it wasnt a suicide...
     
  3. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Ignorance must be bliss.

    If you think money can make a suicidal person normal, you are SADLY mistaken.
    It's also relative. Do you think someone living in Sub Saharan Africa cares about someone on welfare who commits suicide? A person on welfare in the US lives 1000x greater than the poverty that most of the world feels on a daily basis. So to make this about fame or money is pretty stupid, because everyone in the States has the opportunity to do better than most.
     
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  4. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Not saying you are wrong. Everyone has their opinion. But I wouldn't be surprised to find out a guy like Seau had 1000 concussions.
     
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  5. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Insensitive and ignorant. Mentally ill people don't choose to be crazy or suicidal. And no amount of cash, fame, sex, or wealth can change that fact.
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I agree to an extent, but the part you are excluding is that if he had the mental make up to actually arrive at rational conclusions like...not killing yourself. Some mental problems are literally physical ailments and sometimes blaiming someone for a horrible decisions like killing yourself with these ailments is like blaming someone for bleeding if they've been cut.
     
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  7. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    First of all, you are entitled to your opinion and I won't try and lecture you on how sensitive you should or shouldn't be.

    But I will say mental illness is a very tough thing to understand. It's very easy for someone who is mentally healthy to think it's crazy that anyone would want to kill themselves, but it's so hard to understand what goes through someone's head who has mental illness that often lead to this.

    To write it off simply as weakness is a mistake, in my humble opinion.
     
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  8. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    STill doesn't make what you say correct. My mother committed suicide when I was 10. STill fills me with anger, but I'm still not going to make some blanket, ignorant generalization about people committing suicide.
    People who actually commit suicide usually have some form of chemical imbalance that combines with some kind of extreme negative incident in their lives that pushes them over the edge.
    people who are doing it for attention and completely selfish reasons, tend to fit into the "attempted suicide" category.
     
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  9. WharfRat

    WharfRat Malignant Lunatic


    Ali couldn't HOLD a gun, much less pull the trigger... you gotta admit the thought has probably crossed his mind a few times too...
     
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  10. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Well damn.
     
  11. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Not necessarily.

    I think anyone is capable of being mentally ill if they let their mind go in that direction and embrace it, don't you?

    If his mind was just destroyed solely from concussions in the NFL, then it's a damn shame. Personally, I think it was more than just that but we'll see.
     
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  12. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I'm sure it does. My point was more that Ali just couldn't let it go when he had nothing to win by being in the ring.
     
  13. DrAstroZoom

    DrAstroZoom Canary in a Coal Mine Luxury Box

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    Did Junior have a history of concussions? I'm not remembering that to be the case. Of course, there may have been some unreported.

    Great loss. Very sad.
     
  14. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    another ignorant statement. people who are seriously ill didn't get that way because they "allowed" it or "embraced" it.
    acting crazy and being crazy are 2 different things. One has a foundation of biochemical imbalance, of which no one understands to any significant extent.
     
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  15. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Makes me woried about ZT.
     
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  16. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    If someone doesn't want to live life who are you (or anyone for that matter) to say it is wrong though? I don't mean it as an insult to you at all, but it was his life not yours. Only he can decide the route to take with it.
     
  17. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Or endured sexual/ emotional / physical abuse beyond anything imaginable as kids as they were developing.
     
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  18. Stringer Bell

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    Makes me worried about anyone who has played the sport. I fear that these issues are going to become worse and more common. Possibly to the point where the future of the sport is in jeopardy.
     
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  19. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Yes, but I'm not denying that or insinuating that everyone doesn't do it.
     
  20. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Let this thing play out before anyone comes to conclusions. Sure is a wierd way to take yourself out.
     
  21. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I think that's a blanket statement.

    Case in point, do you think Brandon Marshall's personality disorder is solely responsible for going to clubs and hitting women?

    I don't.
     
  22. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    It is?
     
  23. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    No doubt.

    At the same time you can't expect people to automatically give them empathy.
     
  24. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I get that D but if that's the case than Seau doesn't know right from wrong? And went completely insane and was a person incapable of deciphering between the 2?

    I don't think Seau fell that far that quick....it was like Muck(I think) said, he probably only felt at home in the locker room...
     
  25. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Yeah unless you have proof things like depression aren't physiologically related, you might want to show a little empathy.
     
  26. Laces Out

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    If understanding why something happened is the sensitivity bandwagon, I'll gladly hop on the bandwagon. And as a general societal rule, it is in poor taste to speak ill of the dead(especially within hours)

    Agreed. There were issues there obviously. Everyone has resources though. All it takes to make someone pause is a concerned friend recognizing the signs and sitting down and talking to that person. That can be a HUGE help in itself.

    And that is your right to feel that way. I think it is a little too hooah for me. We will just agree to disagree.

    There are thousands that take the same path as Seau. There are thousands who are forced to get help due to diligent friends. It cuts both ways.

    And he probably was....
     
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  27. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Suprised it wasn't Bill Romonawski.
     
  28. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Perfectly said on all of it....
     
  29. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Did he have a wife, kids?
     
  30. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Ex-wife and 3 kids.
     
  31. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    The please kindly STFU and exit the thread. You don't know why he took his own life, hell none of us even now if he actually did take his life at this point in time. Point being, there's no reason for you to come into this thread and start judging the man. All this post and the rest of your posts I've seen in this thread are going to serve to do is stir up a bunch of ****. Does it make you feel better about yourself that you get to look down your nose at someone because they killed themselves?
     
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  32. Fin D

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    Again, I think you're coming at this with a rational mind (no I never thought I'd say that about either, cause we all know you're bat ****).

    Think of it like this, if someone was in so much physical pain and there was nothing medicine could do, I have no problem with someone wanting to die and I doubt you do as well. Maybe his mental pain was so much and couldn't helped. For all you know he has gotten help.
     
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  33. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Soon it's gonna be RIP this thread....
     
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  34. finyank13

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    How can I look down my nose at somebody who did more than I ever will in 43 years of life? Still doesn't take away that IMO the man is a quitter....thats the great thing about these fan boards, they are a place to give your opinions...
     
  35. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Sure I can see that...

    the mental I just dont think anybody will ever know expect maybe ole donut guy a few posts up....

    And as an aside Mor, and HK need to work quickly....on that other issue...
     
  36. unluckyluciano

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    eh you're just a cynic, which I understand why having been raised in a family of civil servants. But either way, never hurts to question your cynicism some times..... On another note, who knew you could go a whole post without putting some crazy guido language?
     
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  37. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    yep, was just going to say this.
     
  38. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    My parents work in the private sector......

    Surprised nobody has blamed Republicans on gun control laws or lack thereof....
     
  39. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Guys, I think fighting about this is pointless. The important question to ask now is:

    Why couldn't it have been Teddy Bruschi?
     
  40. finyank13

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    Agreed I will leave it be with......

     
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