I hope he does slide. Man, if we could slide down from say 8 to 15 and grab Coples or Mercilus and then trade back in to like 20-22 range and grab Tannehill...best draft in a very long time. Id be thoroughly impressed with JI's draft manipulation. Not sure Tannehill slides enough to make that happen
All the more reason for Dolphins to trade back to the mid teens. If he slides, draft him then, otherwise draft BPA that fits your need.
I have never felt Tannehill is worthy of a first round selection and I don't see him ever being a quality starter in the NFL. Of course Sherman may feel differently and if he does, I suspect the Dolphins will draft him in the first round. Yet it would not surprise me in the least if Tannehill is not drafted by the Dolphins or the Browns at 22 and he slips completely out of the first round.
Miami didn't pass on Flynn, they just offered a lesser contract. The fact the Dolphins didn't try that hard to land him is a red flag, but Seattle valued his starter potential more. With the draft, it is an even bigger red flag to teams if the people that have the best knowledge of Tannehill pass on him (at least at #8). Worse case, I think the Browns grab him at #22, but I can see Seattle and Kansas City not wanting to pull the trigger if he gets past Miami. In a perfect world, Miami would trade down into the teens and STILL grab Tannehill (and he goes on to be a stud QB of course). After edit: Ha, I see many have the same line of thought....
I could be wrong, but I don't think most GMs will put much stock in whether Ireland passes on or picks a player based on his past valuation of the QB position.
They said us not going after him is red flag. We didn't really go after Flynn and in fact they talked to him first. That wasn't a red flag to Seattle. That's all I'm saying. In a perfect world Miami would grab Tanny at 8 if he's the player they want. Letting it ride is insane with the most important position. The draft is a gamble, because of all the variables. Why add one more variable when trying to nab your guy by hoping someone doesn't take him after you could have?
I like this D, with the franchise needing many upgrades and having a new coach, we should be looking to grab as many draft picks as deemably possible. Tannahill is nice in round 1, but in our position has more value in the 15-25 pick range. Tannahill to me is the safe pick at 8, trading back for us would be good draft manipulation and ballsy by Ireland.
Even though Tannahill is your guy, he may not be a top 10 pick or have that high of a grade in the franchises eyes. So going by that, your picking a QB just for the sake of picking one in the first round. Thats not the best draft strategy if u ask me.
Well, my perfect world is MORE perfect than your version. I'd love to trade down, get another pick or two, and still get Tannehill. I will agree that if they view him as a Franchise QB you get him at #8. If they were totally CONVINCED he is a Franchise QB? Then you trade up to #3 and take him. There would be screams of protest, but if you are convinced, why gamble, right?
It all boils down to whether they want an immediate impact type player who can start right away or do they want a quarterback who will take time to develop. I believe Ireland's decision will be based on what Sherman and Philbin's opinion on Tannehill are.
This sounds like a team is trying to get Tannehill to slide. I don't think I've ever smelt a bigger smokescreen.
If the Browns don't take him at 4, you would have to assume they don't view him as a franchise type QB. So if that is the case, I can certainly see the Browns passing on him at 22. I agree though that draft day can't get here soon enough, so we can all see exactly what the GM's in the NFL really think of Tannehill and all the other players in this draft.
I could live with that. I like Weeden more than Tannehill, except for his age, and I think Weeden in the second round is a much better pick than Tannehill in the first round.
not necessarily true. they could feel like you do that Weeden is the better choice. doesn't diminish Tannehill's worthiness of a QB, but if I'm Cleveland, the possibilities of getting Trent at RB and Weeden at QB are far greater than Tannehill + any pick at 22.
If we don't take him at 8, I see him sliding. Not because Miami, and his own former coach didn't take him, but because then he's actually going to be drafted where he belongs IMO. Personally Im thinking we should trade down, pick up an extra pick, then draft Weeden. If we can't trade down, take someone like Cox, maybe Floyd... just some kind of help for the pass rush opposite Wake, and we need another potential #1 WR, then hope to get Weeden later. I really think with Moore and Garrard being here, we're not going to draft a QB early. I'd be shocked if we do.
I think a very logical thing to do would be to trade down with the Eagles (targeting Fletcher Cox) or the Chargers (targeting Mark Barron). That way we pick up an additional 2nd round pick and we would still draft before the Browns do at #22. That way we could still select Ryan Tannehill if he is there or Weeden if Tannehill is gone.
With the draft, it is more about the gamble. How certain do you need to feel that a player you pick at #4 will be good? Compare that to how certain you need to feel about a player at pick #22. Or how certain do you need to feel at pick #199? The lower the pick the less pressure there is to "get it right", the more you can take a bigger gamble and not feel bad about wasting a pick. BTW, I'd be very happy if we got Blackmon at #8 and then traded back up into the late first for Weeden. In that scenario, the Browns get Tannehill at #22. The draft can't get here soon enough though....
Yeah easily. KC and Seattle will both pass on him. He will slide into the 20's. Someone will trade up for him if not he possibly goes to the Browns 2nd pick.
Miami lost lots of games in the fourth quarter also but for some reason the blames on the QB here not the Def. Watching Denver was a good example of a failed D. It was sad except Tebow enjoyed it.
Anyone know how healthy Tannehills ankle is now that he had the metal pin put in? Just wondering if he will be able to scramble fast enough to keep healthy.
If we don't take Tannehill at #8, and KC passes on him at #11, falling to the 20's is really almost a certainty. Just look at each team between KC and Cleveland picking again at #22. How many are in the need of a starting QB (above all other needs)? As far as Cleveland goes, if they don't take Richardson at #4, Blackmon is the other obvious choice for them. So, Tannehill will be there at #8 IMHO. Either Tannehill or Weeden slips into the second IMHO.
Drafting a QB is a krap shoot. I hope lady luck is on our side. I mean look at how lucky Shula got with Marino. I'm not superstitious but this draft has elements that are eerily similar with Cam Moron/Mueller's draft. Can you say Quinn/Beck?
There is talk in Philly of trying to move up in order to grab Tannehill. They are concerned about Vick's injuries and longevity. Reid would love to have Tanny sit behind Vick for a year or two, so I don't think him being there at 8 is a lock. Sent from my DROID2 using Tapatalk 2
I could see Philly (and Reid in particular) having an interest in Tannehill. But, I don't see them trading up past us to get him. If he makes it past KC, then I could see a scenario where a team (like Philly) trades up to get him. Philly has other needs, so drafting a QB prospect for a couple years down the road vs. getting an immediate impact player that potentially helps them get into the playoffs and a shot at the SB this year is really more of a luxury than a need. JMHO.
Frankly I think it's about draft picks. A drop into the mid-teens would make sense. I'd evaluate Tannehill to be on the same level as a Jake Locker. If Miami can snag a 3rd and perhaps a 4th out of moving down they may very well do so and then move up on the other end to draft a DE. All indications to me suggest Miami is trying to convince teams that may want Ryan that they're crazy about taking him, I'm not sure about that. The whole played for so and so many years experience factor is critical. Ponder, Locker, Henne, and all the guys they've looked at played quite a few years. Is Ryan mobile, yes. If they skip on him at 8, it's a big indication. I'm not convinced they like any of these guys.
A couple of guys who slid were Dan Marino and Aaron Rogers .Not bad company.It just goes to prove that its not an exact science and that the experts,gurus and pundits are not always right.If Ireland passes on Tanny and he becomes a success it will reflect on Ireland and his coaches in a negative way
I see weeden going before tannehill to a team with a coach that needs to win now. Tannehill is going to end up getting drafted by a team that already has a good qb and sit on the bench for a few years like Aaron rodgers did or get traded like kolb.
I also feel if Tannehill is not the pick there will be very few players left deserving of our 8 spot, a trade down should not be dismissed.
The rumor has been that if Tannehill passes Miami, Buffalo will take him. I believe the idea that many teams don't have Tannehill as a first round pick is a fantasy.
Qb prospects are generally overdrafted to begin with as that is the perceived need so I doubt Tannehill slides out of the Top 10. I'm of the view that running back and generally upgrading the skill positions talent on the offense can be more effective then overdrafting a Qb and hoping for the best.
It's been the rumor from the beginning and it was reiterated today from a new source on NFL Network. Basically they were just that impressed by him. It's the same thing you heard about Pete Carroll in Seattle. King reported that they would also take Tannehill despite signing Flynn.