I just read CK's post and let me say I agree 100%. My preference isnt what I think they will do nor do I think it is wrong. I really like Tannehill as well, as I do Weeden here is my rankings that mean squat: rankings based on draft value. 1 Tannehill 2 Weeden 3 Wilson Rankings based on my own feelings on who will be the better: 1 Wilson 2 Tannehill 3 Weeden Rankings on who is most ready and will have long term success 1 Weeden 2 Wilson 3 Tannehill
I think some of you are going over board on Wilson. If he were 6'1 he would be first round consideration. Simple fact is, he's under 5'11. To take him before Round 4 is absolutely ridiculous and won't happen IMO.
I agree with mostly everything you've said in your last two posts except that I have Weeden first.. If we are able to get either Tannehill or Weeden, I feel very strongly now that we should select Wilson as well if he drops to the 4 th..It would be unprecedented I believe, but this dude would be worth it, if we don't get Tannehill or Weeden then he's our no doubter 2 nd rounder..
Drew measured in over 6 feet. And he's an extreme case. Under 511. There's 2 inches of difference and people thought Brees was short? Wilson is short. He's to big of a risk to take in the first 3 rounds.
Right. Take some time and look up the real measurements, not espn.com. Brees is 6 1/2 and Wilson is 5 10 1/2.
IIRC Brees even said that the guys at the combine measured him a couple of times to "make sure" he got to that magical 6'0" mark. So who knows what the difference really is. IMO regardless, it's not significant in regards to whether or not RW will be successful.
Brees was measured a couple times because he was adamant he was 6'1. He wasn't, he was 73 inches. 6 1/2. Wilson was 5'10 5/8.
Here's a Bleacher report link that supports my statement: Drew Brees did not throw well at the combine, but that was not the biggest problem he had in Indianapolis. His stock took a major hit because he initially was measured at a shade under 6'0". That was one thing that most of the scouts were most interested in about Brees. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...uting-combine-performances-of-all-time/page/2 There was a story when he first got to Purdue about Brees being adamant that he was 6'1". That may be what you're recalling. After finishing third in the Heisman Trophy race while at Purdue, Brees again faced perhaps his biggest obstacle, this time in a room filled with talent evaluators. “They had him at 6 feet and one-eighth or two-eighths inches,” his Purdue Coach, Joe Tiller, said. “Drew said ‘No, I’m 6-1. Measure me again.’ He said, ‘That can’t be true. I know I’m 6-1.’ ” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/sports/football/30brees.html
Those were from NFL.com champ... http://www.nfl.com/player/drewbrees/2504775/profile http://m.nfl.com/combine/profile/2532975/russell-wilson/
^^^^^^That's the one site that lists 6'1 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=196&draftyear=2001&genpos= NFL.com has him at 6' ESPN has him at 6' Yahoo sports has him at 6' So, you are saying they are ALL wrong?
If he's there in the 5th, grab him. He may turn into another Brees. Even if we grab Tannehill in the first.
Whether or not Russell Wilson is 5'10 5/8" or 5'11", he's clearly shown that he can play without it being a significant detriment to his performance. Typical Big 10 opponents, and his own OL for that matter are essentially the same size as NFL players. He played at a very high level last year.
In College. Yes. And I am not saying he wont be successful. I really like him. But to take a QB under 5'11 no matter how well he did in college before round 4 is asinine. 4 and beyond you can take a chance on him over coming the odds. Before that, hell no. And im willing to bet on it. He will not go in the first 2 rounds guaranteed. I will put any amount of money on that, who ever wants the bet, let me know
Well, I will certainly agree that the chances of him going in the first two rounds is small. I'm not saying he won't be worth taking before the third.
If RW were 6'2, totally different story. Brees is only 6'0 but Brees has an intangible that is off the chain good: he is both super intelligent at reading defenses & understanding offenses; and a super quick decision-maker. He gets rid of the ball as aggressively as or more than any QB in the NFL. He drops back, reads, finds his guy and zing, gone! Problem is, Wilson was not really forced to do that (few QBs really are at the college level). So it's difficult to really say he has that kind of potential. That's the only way he's going to make it. His running ability is of minimal value if he can't drop, read & gun it.
no one is arguing that he will go in the first 2 rounds, what were saying is end result..now let's say Weeden and Tannehill for some reason get scooped up before we pick then I would take him before the 4th, also if he's available in the 4th, I would take him regardless of what I do at the position in the first.
Da Fins, that's why always, or almost always (see Andrew Luck), there is the chance of college QB's failing at the next level. However Russell Wilson really appears to be the epitome of a west coast type QB, at least as a college player. That describes to a tee what you just described. Wilson is really good at that kind of play, as much as can be gauged from a college player. I think he's got as good of a chance as any other QB not named Luck.
No Nap that's not what was said, the third and second round was only mentioned if Tannehill and Weeden were not the options...strait up where he goes if we select Tannehill or Weeden?... 3rd round, no later than 4th.
Ok. Understand. I have read a couple people say 2nd round. Im not going to quote them and call them out though. Also, I read it in another thread for someones mock and ran to this thread for a response to the this Wilson stuff. Hence why I started my post with, some of your are getting out of hand....
There's plenty out there to see. I think his arm is strong enough. Spoiler I have a man crush on Russell Wilson FWIW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlWnTQNIsJc&feature=youtube_gdata_player http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0H5iuaZQU8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I would love to draft both baseball players. Weeden in the second and Wilson in the 4th. Weeds taks reigns right away leaving time to develop Wilson and if he is a miss acquire another to follow weeds. I dont know how anyone could argue that getting 6-7 yrs of top qb play is not worth a second round pick?? Its widely accepted that if Weeds was 22 he would be a top 10 pick and he is the most NFL ready now.....possibly behind Luck.......I REALLY REALLY hate the Colts. SOOOOOOO JEALOUS they get back to back HOF QBs!
If Tanny, Weeds (of course RG3 and Luck) all go then what teams may be looking for a developmental QB with a pick as high as 2-3. I think he will fall and 4th would ge a great value for us as long as he is our "backup" plan
I would take a chance in the 4th earliest. Hes got a very good skill set. Good head. Only thing missing is the height, but it's missing a lot
Didn't mean call anyone out in that sense... But anyways, do you believe he will go round 2? Or just something YOU would do? If so, care to put a wager on it?
Why does height translate dropping from 1st rd to 4th rd? If he was say 6 ft, where would you draft him?
I would take Wilson anywhere from the third on. I don't agree that 1 5/8" in height is a big deal for a QB. Reality is that any QB shorter than 6'5" is mostly looking through passing lanes rather than over the line. Some people can do that and some people can't. RW was playing behind one of the tallest lines in the country, one that would also be one of the biggest in the NFL. Clearly he's one of those guys that can see the field through the passing lanes. If he were 6'2" nobody would think twice about it, but he would still be looking through the same passing lanes. The only difference is that nobody would be talking about it. That shows you the value of that "talk".
I agree that, say an inch doesnt make much difference but lets take RG3 for example. He has "ideal" ish size as 6'2" So if we subtract an unimportant inch, then do..... well do it again....where do we stop? My point is there has to be a sliding scale where as height drops starting at a certain point so does draft value. I still really like RW but not in the second. As a project in the 4th. Everyone is bigger in the NFL
if he was a solid 6'. I would take him in the 2nd. And height translate him dropping because can you name a QB under 5'11 ever have a successful career on the NFL? Flutie had moments, but no, no you cant. The odds are stacked up against him. Extremely.
