No doubt Dolphins going after Ryan Tannehill

Not a big fan of Tannehill after taking a look at him. He has great athletic ability but he is RAW and will need to sit for a few years before we know what we get with him. If we take Tannehill I wont be mad but it makes no sense for Ireland to draft in such a risky manner. The 2 options I see Ireland going is trading down, if that doesn't work take the safest player.

I don't understand the need to reach for a guy at 8. Yes QB is a need but when the gap of talent isn't huge between Tannehill and Weeden I'll go with Weeden in Round 2 over Tannehill at 8.

 

I'd be happy with Coples/Floyd....estactic with Kuechly or DeCastro. I'd actually be pissed if we went QB because I don't buy these last 2 guys as future franchise starters. I'm all for rebuilding the base of our offense into Philbin's style and then if Matt Moore isn't good enough....go all in for a QB next year. We've got 5 picks in the top 103 or so to really rebuild that offense and get a pass rusher out of it. Coples(1st), Massie (2nd), WR Brian Quick, Mohamed Sanu (our 2 3rd's) and maybe aim for a FS in the 4th and that goes a long way towards filling pressing holes. Then with the 5th/6th/7th we can take fliers on linebackers, TE's (even though I think Fasano/Clay will be our 2 TE's since they are actively looking for a true FB) and a FB.

 

I agree with you to an extent on stats. And I also liked Brees a lot in college. But Tannehill did play in a pro-style offense (basically the exact same one the Dolphins will run), and Tannehill completed 65% his JR year and about 62% his senior year with more drops by his WRs than just about anyone in football. With a closer to average # of drops he probably is close to 70%.

 

Well, not liking him and not wanting to take him because he won't give you immediate impact are different. The fact that the Dolphins know about as much as you can about the guy minimizes the risk involved as well. There's always risk involved, but because of Sherman and the time spent on him, they're dropping the risk factor as low as you could hope to. If they feel he can be a franchise QB, taking him at 8 isn't a reach. If they don't have a strong conviction that he can be that type of QB, they shouldn't take him anywhere in the 1st. I also don't think when it's all said and done that Weeden makes it to round 2. He's just too good, I don't care how old he is. If the Dolphins want to end up with him they should be looking to move down from 8 or up from 42. I honestly think he can go as high at 15.

 

You're right in the sense if they think he is a franchise QB they will take him. I feel Weeden is the better QB. You like Tannehill's upside but he may never put it all together. Hopefully Miami who ever they feel is their franchise QB trades up to get him.

 

JW, I don't see why its a waste to get Tannehill at 8. I understand you want an impact player to contribute now, We don't have a QB on our Roster now that can take us to the Superbowl. So if we don't take a chance and grab a QB we will be here next year talking about the same crap next yeart. We blown 1st round picks on some crappy players before,so we got to take a chance and roll the dice some time...

I seen some of Tanny's games and he has things he can work on, but who doesn't, That's why we got anew Coaching staff that can help make him better. The way he rolls out to either side and is very accurate reminds me of Dan the Man. . . He has very good foot work and has a strong arm and very good release, which will only get better, he played receiver so he understands them and can teach them too, I saw him do that on NFL network and even Chucky was impressed with that.

Come On Man, the ravens won with Dilfer, was he an Elite QB or a Franchise qb?

 

To me, the Dolphins have an obligation to select the best player available when they draft. If they feel Tannehill is the best player available to them on the board when their turn comes up in the first round, fine. If they are merely selecting Tannehill to appease those fans who demand the drafting of a QB in the first round, I am not fine with that.

As I have stated several times today, I would love to see the Dolphins use their first round selection to draft Luke Kuechly. He would be an instant starter as a middle linebacker from day one and I wouldn't have to sit and wonder if he will eventually become a quality starter sometime in the future.

If the Dolphins are determined to draft a QB in the early part of the draft, I would rather see them take Weeden in the second round. While I have concerns about him because of his age and how badly he played in the Senior Bowl. I feel he will be a better player in the NFL than Tannehill, even though I don't see either of them ever being top tier QB's in the NFL.

By drafting Kuechly in round one and Weeden in round two, the Dolphins will satisfy those who demand a QB be selected in this draft, while they would also be getting a player on defense who will be a bigger and faster, Zach Thomas type player for the next decade or more.

 

You are assuming we can get Weeden in the 2nd round.

IMO, there's only one franchise QB, and it's luck. Glad as hell we didn't sell the farm like Washington for a good, but not franchise QB in RGIII. Weeden and Tannehill are both QBs that can be upgrades over what we have. We have the luxury that Garrard and Moore can start for a year until Tannehill or Weeden are more comfortable in our very QB friendly system.

 

I have pointed out several times why I don't like Tannehill as the Dolphins first round pick. I understand that you and many others on here don't agree with me. I respect your opinion and if the Dolphins do draft Tannehill. I will certainly be rooting for him to succeed as the Dolphins QB of the future.

As far as the Ravens winning the SB with Dilfer goes. If you can assure me that the Dolphins defense will be as dominant as the Ravens defense was the year they won the Super Bowl, I would be happy if the Dolphins bring back Dilfer to QB this team. Unfortunately the Dolphins defense is no where close to that Ravens defense. Dilfer did not win that SB for the Ravens, their defense led them to the championship during that season and Dilfer was just along for the ride.

The reality though is that in recent years it has been the top QB's in the NFL who have led their teams to SB championships and I don't see that changing in the near future. The game today is centered around the QB and without a franchise type QB on the your team, you are only going to remain one of the many other mediocre to bad teams in the NFL.

My view is that Tannehill will not be a top tier QB, but if the Dolphins draft him, I pray I am wrong.

 

Yeah, because that has worked SOOOOO well for us in the past.

 

And another comment on Tannehill. While the Dolphins won't assume he can come in and contribute right off the bat, that doesn't mean he can't. Cam Newton last year was thought to be a project after playing only one year at the FBS level and playing that year in a gimmicky offense. Well, Tannehill started a year and a half at the FBS level and did so in not only a pro style offense, but the very offense the Dolphins will use this year. Tannehill is also a very intelligent player.

Don't get my comments confused. I'm not comparing the two in terms of ability. I'm comparing their pro readiness. I'm also not saying I think Tannehill WILL come in and start right away, but rather than it's not as impossible as many are claiming.

 

I am curious... Why have we shown so much public interest in Tannehill for so long? If we were actually interested in him don't you think it would be smart to slow roll it; and not attend his pro day, eat with him before his pro day etc? I don't see any real advantages of doing all that compared to disadvantages. I mean we know everything we need to know about the kid due to Sherman's previous experience with him.... Is it a stretch to potentially think our interest in him is a smokescreen?

 

Dude, c'mon, you know Jeff has to mind bleep these guys spy vs. spy style before he relents...

 

I guess anything's possible. It's not like they're coming out praising the guy over and over again though. I know early in the process Sherman said some nice things about him after being asked about his former player, but other than that they've been doing the work that many others are doing on him. They have been doing homework on the guy, but if I'm not mistaken they did just as much work on Pouncey last year.

 

But what I am saying is, what is to gain?

We have all the film on the guy. We know his personality from Sherman. Why would we attend his Pro Day and interview him and "telegraph" our pick, if he is our guy. Why wouldn't we skip all interviews with him and then attend all of Weeden's Pro Days so teams think he is our target in the 2nd so that if Tannehill fell to us at 8 we could take him. I feel like now teams know our interest in him and know they must leap frog us in the draft if they want him too.

 

All the information you can gather helps you IMO. What Sherman says should hold a lot of weight, but if you plan on making this guy the future of your team you need to find out as much about him as you can. That's why they went to his pro day without Sherman, so that the other people in the decision making process can form their own opinions on him.

 

Good point, but do you do that at the expense of possibly losing him? That's my question. I understand the way, but my main point is I think we have more to lose than to gain by showing interest and heavily looking into him.

 

I don't know. They've shown just as much interest in Coples and a couple others. I would think that if they are high enough on him that they'll make sure to get him.

 

No I have no idea if he'll be franchise. No one does. The draft is a crapshoot. There's as much chance that he'll be franchise as he will bust. Hell, if we're honest, there's probably the same chance Luck franchise. Luck go injure himself out of the game on the first snap. You cannot cripple yourself by being scared to gamble on a QB. The two best QBs in the league and on the list of all time are a high rd pick and a 6th pick. Now the penalty in rookie wages is gone. Pick big on QB or you're being foolish.

 

Exactly. You've helped me see the light about drafting a QB high even if it's a chance because all players drafted are a crap shoot.

 

Its all about light and truth my friend (lux et veritas in your avatar is both a hebrew reference and the yale seal). Glad you finally see the light and truth on nfl qb's

 

While I can see the rationale that no team SHOULD take the 29 year old QB in the 1st round, it doesn't mean someone isn't willing to jump in front of us in the 2nd round to grab him. As far as RGIII, I'd take that bet. no way RGIII is going to vault that redskins team to the superbowl. He'll provide some exciting games, but he'll lose some too.

 

i almost think they have to take tannehill at 8 if they want a qb, UNLESS they trade back and pick up an extra pick because KC isn't going to roll with Cassel forever and if Weeden's there, I'd bet KC takes him. Then Miami's left holding the bag again. And Cousins, Foles, Osweiler and Moore do absolutely nothing for me. Those are wasted picks that could be used to fill the WR, OL and CB spots. If they draft one of those QB's, Miami is using a pick to draft a backup QB. Absolute waste. It's Tannehill or Weeden or wait til next year.

 

I certainly will not.

I'll actually respect them for not reaching on a prospect that everyone seemingly agrees will be a project.
Yes we need a franchise QB and we need to make a commitment to finding one. That does not mean picking one just because.
there are some very good players we can get at 8 that have a much higher chance at becoming impact players IMO.

While some on here are saying that you can just throw away a 1st round pick and it doesn't matter anymore because of the rookie pay scale now I don't agree with that at all. Financially it's not anywhere near as big a hit now but that does not make up for the holes on your roster that inevitably come from missing on high round picks. There is a clear cost of failure in the draft other than finances. You need those high pick players to make an impact if you are going to build a championship team. So the attitude of "so what if we pick a QB high and he does not make it, we'll just pick another one with a 1st rounder next year" does not fly.

Hell IMO we can pick an impact player at 8 and then attempt to trade back up in the first for Weeden and be better off all around.

 

The way i see it is, QB is just that important nowadays. Personally Im not the least bit sold on Tannehill, he hasnt even played the position that long, and like everyone has already heard a million times he wasnt that successful in college. But theres definitely a part of me that sees him being a superstar. Or at the very least a more athletic Andy Dalton.

Just the possibility of getting that franchise QB. Even if its just for arguments sake say a 25-35% chance by my own personal estimate thats still a better bet for me than a DE who i may think is a 75%. Might not seem logical to some people, but thats how todays game is working i believe. I never would have thought like that in the past, but its too obvious that QBs win in todays game...might not be like that forever, things change, but right now you absolutely need a QB.

 

Not the entirety, but the majority. The fans know a franchise QB is necessary for success. The last 12 years have proven it beyond the shadow of a doubt.

 

I don't think Ireland is ballsy enough to take such a risk.

 

All rookie players are developmental by definition.

 

Agree on money part, will set team back though if they depend on him, if he sucks in 2015 we will be back at square one. Then again if we pass, and he becomes the next Aaron Rodgers, shoot me dead.

 

Perhaps they are doing everything they are doing in regards to Tannehill because they are just using this presumed interest in him to hide the fact that they really have no interest in Tannehill in the first round of the draft. It could be that they are more interested in another player and just don't want a team with a lower pick in the first round trading up and selecting this player before they get their chance to select him.

In fact it would not surprise me in the least if the Dolphins pass on Tannehill and take a player who can actually come in and start immediately at a position of need for this team. It is presumed that the Dolphins are interested in Tannehill. Yet when it comes to the first round of the draft, the Dolphins have consistently shown over the years that they are more likely to do the unexpected, rather than the expected.

 

If the Fins don't take a QB or a playmaking WR, I think the fanbase goes into full-blown meltdown. If we take an interior lineman, I might join them.

I don't see Ross signing off on any decision like that.

 

I'm not a guru and I can't argue specifics about Tannehill versus Brees, but what I can say is the state of the current Dolphin team and fan base. I've made the same argument about Tannehill, that basically, his team in college was mediocre under him (which isn't entirely his fault as the team did improve under him), that he has a few QB flaws (nothing really uncoachable, but Sherman would know best what those are), and that had Barkley and Jones come out, he'd be an afterthought at QB, maybe even a mid rounder.

However, Barkley and Jones are not in the draft. He did improve with his team as the season went on, he only has 19 starts as a QB, he's a coaches son which always is a plus at that position and he does seem to have some things that other QBs we've looked at don't have...he has some intangibles that are required by QBs at this level. He is going to be a project, so those who want him to start in Sept should be disappointed (assuming Philbin and Sherman give him time to develop before throwing him to the wolves).

The general theory is that your 1st round selection needs to be a starter in his rookie year to be a good pick. Your second round pick, if a starter, great, but at least he has to be a big contributor during the season. Third and beyond is a crap shoot. They usually need time to develop before starting. Generally, in today's NFL, any qb taken in the first round needs to be an instant starter and successful their first year (Flacco, Ryan, etc). This is a case where Ross, Ireland, Philbin and Sherman have to all be on the same page...if they rush to start Tannehill and he's not ready, we're looking for another QB as soon as possibly next season...If they work him in when he's ready at this level, there's enough game film that he can be an effective QB...

However, the real question is whether the fan base will give him the time to develop or will they force the FO and coaching staff's hands to start him right away...

 

Yeah, well the only thing to back that up was the mandate put out there by Mr. Loss that we have to get our franchise QB this offseason...so it may, as you say, all be a smokescreen but it may also be a very genuine effort to get a QB... We can all argue all day about whether they were ever serious about Manning, Flynn, Smith or whoever, but the fact is that Mr. Loss's mandate has not been filled...yet.

 

I would not draft Landry Jones with my 2 nd round pick if he were in this draft, Tannehill is the better prospect IMO..

I don't follow the philosophy of if you need a Qb the prospects in this particular draft take more precedent, you wait until you find the one you love, if your not in love you go with the other position player that you do love.

If our coaches love Tannehill then so be it, if not, there shouldn't be one speck of criticism for not taking a Qb at 8..

 

Is it next week yet?

 

I would have hated Jones as a prospect as well. He looks like the classic bust to me. If Barkley had come out, I had him close to Luck. And then I have Tannehill and RG3 really close, a step behind them. I would actually say that RG3 has a higher bust potential than Tannehill. And that was my evaluation at the end of the season. Even during the Manning and Flynn "pursuit", I was saying I preferred Tannehill.

 

I found those 'revelations' interesting too but the one about hiring Philbin in part because of Tannehill...I'm not so sure about that. That sounded to me like Cole trying to pass off speculation as fact.

 

My reaction if the following quarterbacks are taken:

1. Brandon Weeden - Thrilled
2. Ryan Tannehill - Happy
3. Russell Wilson - Cautiously Optimistic
4. Anyone Else - 2011