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Was Ireland right to mislead Y. Bell, if it prevented him from going to the Jets?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Stringer Bell, Mar 21, 2012.

Was Ireland right to mislead Y. Bell, if it prevented him from going to the Jets?

  1. Yes, its what was best for the Dolphins, so it had to be done

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  2. No, Bell deserves to go to the Jets

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  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    The more I think about it, and look at the timeline of events, the more I'm convinced that Ireland's handling of Bell was done to prevent the Jets from acquiring him.

    The Jets had a need at the position. Yeremiah Bell fits what they do. But most importantly, Bell fits a huge leadership void on that team. Tony Sparano knows the leadership Bell brings. I'm also sure that Bell wouldn't mind being reunited with Sparano.

    Now if you're Jeff Ireland, do you want this to happen? Of course not. Not only are you letting go one of your leaders, but you'll be giving him to a division rival, that sorely needs his leadership.

    I believe that Landry's signing was first reported ~330pm on the 19th. When was Bell released? ~7pm on the 19th? Coincidence? I think not.

    The Jets ended up with arguably a worse player. At a higher cost. And certainly someone who should not be considered a leader. At this point, even if Bell comes cheap, the Jets don't have the snaps to give to him and Landry.

    If this theory is true, was this a smart move by Ireland? Was lying to Bell for 2 weeks worth it? IMHO, yes.
     
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  2. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    If that's what happened, I'd have to call it a pretty smart preemptive move.
     
  3. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James Ron Swanson

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    If it was indeed strategy, yes, this would be an example of good Ireland strategy. Bad Ireland strategy would be lowballing Flynn for no good reason.
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He wasn't worth highballing?
     
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  5. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Actually, it sounds exactly like something Ireland would do. If true, I guess there's something to be said for be smarmy after all.
     
  6. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    It's a dick move, but not uncommon amongst GM's. My thing is, if you're worried about Y.Bell going to the Jets, why cut him in the first place?
     
  7. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James Ron Swanson

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    That's not the issue. The issue is bringing somebody in just to insult them with a lowball offer. Just let the guy sign with Seattle and spend your time on other objectives.
     
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  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    How is that even an issue?
     
  9. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James Ron Swanson

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    It does stray a bit from this topic, so let's haul it back in by saying this does come at a price. It's type of thing a responsible agent is going to tell his client is the down side of signing in Miami if Miami does more of it than other teams. I can't say I have noticed a ton of it here, but if there is a trend of it, it will be a factor that gets brought up.
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    But did they know what Seattle offered? It was being reported that Seattle didn't offer him starter money. I don't see it as unreasonable to try to get him for $4M/yr.

    Its could also be a case of Philbin doing Flynn a favor by trying to make a market for him. Who knows? We're trying to put a puzzle together with only a couple of pieces.
     
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  11. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    How about for the reason of having a limit on how much you think he's worth... and want to bring him down here to try to convince him to come down for that price and have him try to beat out Moore... just like we decided to do with Garrard shortly afterwards?

    I fail to see why that's insulting. The Seahawks are making him compete for the job too.
     
  12. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    This **** is chess, not checkers.
     
  13. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Why let a team in your division improve?

    We can upgrade Bell's spot and block the Jets from upgrading their's at the same time, so we did.
     
  14. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How do we know that Flynn's agent didn't ask for the interview in hopes that it would help to raise Seattle's offer. Media reports said we were low-balling him but did we even offer a contract? In Ireland's interview he said they had a plan and were sticking to it. I read that as they never really had much interest in Flynn.
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    How about

    c. Keep Bell

    Despite age and cap figure, he fills a huge need for this team. His departure creates another huge hole. More importantly, the leadership and communication he brought to our defense is irreplaceable. A huge need just got huger.


    Oh, and by the way, nice survey bias added to option b. For someone demanding fairness for Ireland, I'd think you could be a little more objective if you wanted an honest answer.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Where have you been in the last three years when I was defending Bell?
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Honestly, I am surprised by the Bell creating a huge hole response because I have been reading that Bell needs to be replaced for years.

    However, his leadership and communication could be supplanted by Marshall who is known for his leadership and communication in Arizona.

    Also while I do think Jones wasn't a great FS, his ability to tackle and instincts should be much better as a strong safety.

    Even though I am a huge Bell fan and have been since he was a flyer on punt returns, one of the first move I would have made this offseason was cutting him. His production isn't worth 4 million dollars. Also with the change in defense his communication and leadership is not enough to make up for his lesser skills that come with his age and injuries.
     
  18. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Hopefully they can find a way to re-sign him. I wonder if he was asked to re-structure his deal and said no. I know Rosenhaus was pretty pissed off, because he was lied to.
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    My understanding was they didn't give him a re-structured deal.

    However it wouldn't surprise me if he was resigned after the draft. I do not think a player of his age and injury history will be in much demand.
     
  20. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You mean Ireland is now pissing off agents? Oh that will do wonders for free agents. The hits keep coming.
     
  21. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    We're really going to act like between Ireland and Rosenhaus, Jeff is the one that pisses off more people?

    Reheheheaaaallly.
     
  22. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Nope, Ireland does not piss off, he pisses on.
     
  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Agents can afford to piss off people when they have teams competing for the services of their customers. GMs on the other hand...
     
  24. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    To an extent. GMs on the other hand only have the hundreds of players being drafted every year that are competing for a job from a GM.
     
  25. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Too bad Jeff Ireland can't find a franchise QB. Because getting one in free agency is out of the question. Since, you know, the best players get to choose which teams they play for. But that's not an issue according to fans around here.
     
  26. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    List how many he's had a realistic shot at since he's been here if it's that simple.

    And you know the last sentence is bull****.
     
  27. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Ireland didn't mislead Bell at all. In fact he told the flat out F'ing truth. He said that he HOPED he wouldn't have to cut him and at the moment of the conversation didn't plan on it.

    Now unless you can get inside his head and tell me what he hoped or planned there is no way to say he lied.
     
  28. rtl1334

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    Historically speaking, hasn't finding a Franchise QB in free agency been out of the question?
     
  29. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Aside from Drew Brees yes it is the extremely unlikely way of acquiring one. Especially a young one, because teams tend to hold on to guys that are you know....young franchise QB's.
     
  30. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Yup. That's true. History says the best way to find a franchise QB is in the first round of the draft. Even though I believe Peyton Manning will prove to be a rare exception in Denver. Not so sure about Flynn. I hope Ireland does draft us a franchise QB. But when you look at our draft position and who will be available, easier said than done.

    I hope my stance isn't confused here. I've been screaming at the top of my lungs for years we needed to make QB a priority in the draft. I just have a sneaking suspicion Ireland is going to snag himself another lineman instead.
     
  31. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Okay I don't mean this is any negative way but can you please clarify your stance for me?

    You bash Ireland at every chance you get. You want us to draft a QB but admit that where we are in the draft and who is there it will be a very hard thing to do. How does this make Ireland look bad?
     
  32. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Sure, I can do that. I've always been a proponent of making the QB a priority in the draft. Evidence of that can be seen here -

    http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...ince-Marino-Shula-Big-Hint-it-invovles-the-QB

    I've not been a fan of Ireland for a long time now. Evidence of that can be seen here -

    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?61450-This-regime-is-a-****ing-joke

    and here -

    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?67867-The-Jeff-Ireland-Appreciation-Thread

    Take these with a grain of salt, they were rants and posted appropriately as such. But they make my stance on the man pretty well known.

    Ireland has told us he would make Qb a priority. A failed attempt at Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn took us completely out of play for RGIII. Either of the 3 options could have upgraded the position. Instead he showed his true Parcellian colors and picked up a stopgap in David Garrard. Does he also plan to draft a QB in the first round? Maybe. Will he most likely take another lineman? Probably. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. The fact remains he's put himself in a position once again where the QB position is unresolved. You can make all the excuses you want for the man, it's unresolved. The chances of it being resolved this season rest in the draft now. And I've maintained Jeff Ireland deserves the draft and this season to show us fans if there's something to this "vision" of his or if he's just spitballing.

    All that aside, there are other problems with Jeff Ireland that have been made known by former players, players that have visited in free agency, the media, former GMs, etc. regarding his conduct with players, the media, and free agents. If Jeff Ireland was the best scout, draft room guy of all time, these issues would be an untenable problem, IMHO. Jeff Ireland is part of an organizational structure that has caused high profile coaches and free agents to choose other options. Fans that don't believe this to be true are ignoring some pretty astounding evidence, IMO. Also, in my opinion if Brandon Marshall does not serve a significant suspension for this latest incident, a belief held by many with knowledge of the situation, he will have made a big mistake in jettisoning a very talented and gifted WR. I believe releasing Yeremiah Bell was a mistake. I believe our secondary will suffer greatly because of it. We now have 5 huge areas of need - RT, S, QB, TE, WR and limited draft picks and seemingly no available free agents to address these needs. Success for this team will be a tall order and it's a lot to ask of a rookie head coach. I believe at best we are in line for a 7-9 season. At worst another a disaster similar to Cam Cameron's first year here. We have an easier schedule, that's why I lean towards 6-10.

    As always, my loyalties remain to this football team and I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. Even if the Dolphins are successful, I believe it will have more to do with Joe Philbin than Jeff Ireland. Jeff Ireland will, in my opinion, remain an issue as long as he is with this team. He is in way over his head as a GM calling all the football shots. Again, just my opinion. Many well respected former and current NFL players, members of the media, retired GMs, share my opinion.

    How's that?
     
  33. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    That is fine. I just don't see how you can criticize someone for not getting something done when you yourself freely admit that getting it done is near impossible. Also thank F'ing goodness we didn't give up what Washington did for RGIII.
     
  34. 2socks

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    or a receiver.....hopefully they don't come with their family:shifty:

     

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