Ireland Speaks: Stay Thirsty My Friends

If this is Ireland following his vision I have to ask...

1) Do front office personnel have access to the team doctors?
2) If so does the team keep an optometrist on staff or would he need a referral?




Not talking about YB either really.

 

I can't believe everyone taking the media's sides! AND a couple players opinions who were KNOWN to be jackholes (Crowder and Porter)! Reading this article, I could clearly see that Ireland not only believes in what he is doing, but has a method to the madness... He didn't like the fact that he had to part-ways with Bell, and let him know that, even though HE didn't need to! The guy has a system and doesn't want to overpay for mediocre talent (Alex Smith/Matt Flynn) or take huge risks (Peyton Manning) on an investment... That would appear sound logic to me.

The talent level of this ENTIRE team is MUCH better off than when he started. All teams are hit and miss in the draft, and the guy is GREAT at picking up receivers! This whining-*** fan base is SOOOOooooo jaded most of the time... I agree with Ireland. Let not only the process play out, but the season as well!

Oh and by the way, hey guys, been a while since I've taken the time to comment on something, but this one is getting RE-diculous...

 

Again, that's not what happened. For all you know he said to Drew, "If we need the cap space we might have to release Bell. I'm not planning on it right now, though." The article doesn't say he lied. Drew doesn't say he lied. Bell doesn't say he lied. So just where in the hell did you get it in your head that Ireland lied?

 

It's Ireland, man. IRELAND! He's the Devil and as we all know, the Devil lies!

 

And all this time I thought Sparano was the reason we were losing. You mean it's been Ireland all along???

Hell, we should've just kept Sparano then.

 

LMAO I could only think of this when I read your post

 

Oh man, why didn't anyone think of this before......

Problem solved.....

 

It's also been less than 48 hours since cutting him.

 

Agreed. Not only that, it was reported that Bell was cut because of the salary cap. Why, because we had to make room for David Garrard?

 

I'd agree with you if they didn't try so hard to land Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn. If drafting a QB was their "plan", why even bother with those two guys? When you do things like that, it appears as though you're swinging at every pitch, just trying to make contact on SOMETHING.

The problem with Ireland is that he's HORRIBLE at communicating things to the fans. Had he come out and said, "Look, we're not gonna be big players in free agency because we fell the draft is a better option." Fine. I wouldn't be upset, because I would expect a Ryan Tannehill or a Brandon Weeden or a WHOEVER to be drafted and groomed. But it's hard to get the fans to get on board when you're constantly making moves that don't make sense. Fans need to see a direction, ESPECIALLY if they're not seeing wins.

The Pats do some DUMB **** that leaves you scratching your head, but they're a perennial powerhouse, so it gets overlooked. We suck and make dumb moves. Not a good combo.

 

That would actually save the team money, by the way.

 

Wait, how hard exactly did they try to land Flynn? Seems to me they tried no harder than any other FA they brought in, including Alex Smith, who we rescinded our offer from.

 

Here's the flaw in the Ireland Logic: Why bring Flynn in at all? He got 26 Mill over 3 years with Seattle. Is he not worth that? If so, what is he worth? This is what I don't understand. If he's a "Franchise QB" at 7 Mill a year, why is he not a "franchise QB" at 9 Mill a year? Because that's the goal, right? The Dolphins are trying to find a "franchise QB", right? He either IS or ISN'T. You either think he is and pay him more than the Seahawks, or you don't bother bringing the guy in.

Unless...naw, couldn't be...well, unless, as his interview afterwards would suggest, money wasn't the main deciding factor and he truly did like the direction Seattle was headed in compared to Miami. But wait, how could that be? Why would someone NOT want to play for the Dolphins? This is all so very confusing.

 

That's the flaw in your logic.

We don't have a franchise QB. So say we think Moore has a 40% chance to become one. Let's say they think Flynn also has a 40% chance. There's no real FA QB's available that have a greater than 40% to make it. Flynn does already know the offense though. But you know you want to get your QB in the draft. So bring in Flynn to see if he'll sign for what a player that already knows the offense but you don't think has a better chance of being franchise than the guy you already have, is worth. That's not crazy. That's not illogical.

You think Miami sees him as a starter, so you base everything off that platform.

 

Ugh we should of just listened to these fans last year and gave up a 2nd for Kyle Orton.

We'd be sooo much better off.

 

Or they thought he wasnt a franchise QB, but preferable to David Garrard.

If they can't find a franchise QB, should just roster 1 QB?

 

Of course he did. Better chance he'll get to resign him to a much, much better deal in case Bell doesn't find a suitor and Ireland doesn't find a replacement. Ireland basically admitted as much.

 

What if Cleveland selects Ryan Tannehill?

 

Even if they are high on Weeden, they've put themselves in an awkward situation. He'd clearly be a major reach in round one, but can you bank on the fact that he's just sitting there in round two? Will you find someone to trade down with, in a class that becomes considerably weaker after the first 5 or 6 selections? I think they were caught off guard by two issues: First, the Redskins trading up for RG 3 at that point in time and second by teams like Denver becoming a player in the Manning sweepstakes. Flynn, Smith and to some extend Garrard were merely a reaction to plan A becoming unavailable and plan B (draft a QB if you don't get Manning) becoming a huge questionmark. That said, I'm not sure there was a whole lot else they could have done.

 

Belacheat never cuts veteran players and would never cut someone the night before the Super Bowl because he always thinks of the player before the team.
Or did I get that wrong?
Never the mind Irelands just a dumb a$$ players and fans feelings should come first.

 

We smile and take Richardson?

 

And that's the problem; Sign guys who keep you mediocre. Never good enough to be contenders, never bad enough to rebuild.

 

When you have the track record of Bill Belechick and the New England Patriots, you can do those things and not get criticized. I've said this before, but if Jeff Ireland were a huge dick AND an awesome GM, I would fully endorse his dickishness. You don't win, you don't get that luxury.

 

I'm sorry, but which franchise QBs has Ireland passed on? Lets not act like he passed on Drew Brees here. The reality is that franchise QBs are rarely available, and there is a strong argument that Ireland hasn't had a real shot at one yet.

 

You win a superbowl by building thru the draft.

 

Maybe Ross and Ireland viewed Manning too much of a risk, and to appease the fan base, scheduled a meeting with the coach.

Maybe Philbin thought Flynn would be a great competition against Moore, but Flynn said no.

This IS all conjecture. We are all just guessing here, especially the media... I agree though that Ireland has never had a real shot at a franchise QB. IMHO we should've resigned Henne to compete against Moore. But then again, that would cause an uprise as well.

 

Here's the correctness with Ireland's logic.
It could be as simple as this:

"On a scale of 1-100 we view Tannehill as a potential 92.... and Flynn as a potential 88.
An 88 isn't bad but we like 92 better.
Unfortunately, the 92 isn't a guaranteed signing, so it would be wise to see how much the 88 wants.
Since we have an 86 on the roster with experience, it gives us more reason to hold out on the 92 should the 88 asks for more than we value him."

 

If he is staying true to his vision, then he is desperate need of a double eye transplant.. Mr. Ross truely needs to make a break from this incompetent individual and the sooner the better. This should have been done a long, long time ago. I just wish this person (I can't call him a man), Ireland would go out and get face to face with all of us fans who don't like him nor want him around anymore, but he doesn't have what it takes to do that.

 

From what I remember YES. SO yeah I dont see what all the picketting is all about ...

 

What if some other team drafts any player you want?

That's part of the deal with the draft. Why is it a bad thing for Ireland to plan on drafting a specific person but not any other FO?

He even acquired collateral, in Garrard.

 

Sounds like you just described Matt Flynn.

 

Ok, first of all not going for Peyton Manning would be an idiotic move. Miami, Arizona, San Francisco, Tennessee, Denver...all made moves for Manning, not to mention teams that considered it.

Secondly, did we REALLY try "hard" for Matt Flynn? I've told everyone before...if Joe Philbin WANTED Matt Flynn, he'd be in aqua and coral. You don't hire a new head coach because you like his product and then not give him the players he wants, especially when you're talking about quarterback. Like I've said before, there was a reason Aaron Rodgers was the starter and Matt Flynn was the back-up.

Thirdly, Jeff Ireland's job is not to be the touchy touchy feel good press secretary for the Dolphins. His job is to assist in running the team...assist in assembling a winning team, not communicating things to the fans. I'll stick up for him here

 

Guys, you all need to wake up and accept the fact we are NOT drafting Tannehill or Weedon. There's a reason they're ranked behind Luck and Griffin and there are so many other players ranked higher than those two...not to mention we're going to have too many holes that need fllling.

If we do take a quarterback, don't look for us to take one before the 3rd round.

 

My take on Flynn is that Philbin took the interview to help out Flynn. Not out of the question, and if we wanted him we would have gotten him. We dont know ****.

People dont get all hopped up that there's a plan either. Tannenhill is a a option but not the end all. We thought we would bring in competition for Henne last yr we got Moore. How that turn out, oh wait he won games. We have more competition this yr lets see what happens. Manning was the only viable option now its playing the odds imo. Turn over rocks until we find the right players .

there are 32 teams and just so many high caliber players, we arent the bills yet, if we were we'd blow are wad on one player and a coach named wanstache

 

I really hope Cleveland takes Tannenhill so that there is no way we end up selecting a long term project at QB #8 overall. THAT would be the worst move Ireland has or ever will make.

 

Good logic.

 

Sorry, I don't buy that argument. It's a cop-out/excuse. Quite a few teams over the last 4 years have made plays to try and acquire a so-called franchise QB. I'm assuming, however, that you're basing your opinion on Ireland only having "total control" since last year, because Matt Ryan could've been the first draft selection Ireland ever made.

 

You're assuming Ireland actually knows potential when he sees it. So that's the flaw in the logic there.

 

We brought Flynn in for a visit. Obviously we were interested in him. I don't buy the Philbin/Flynn thing. I said BEFORE free agency, several times on this forum that Philbin's ties wouldn't help Miami get a discount, like others had speculated. Honestly though, I really believe Flynn saw the mess here and chose Seattle over Miami straight-up. His comments would tend to suggest that.

As to your last point, you're half right. Ireland doesn't need to communicate anything to the fans, UNLESS HE'S PUT A WINNING TEAM TOGETHER. I don't care if you piss on my head and tell me it's raining, as long as we're on the playoffs every year. But when I pay hundreds (and I know a lot of people here pay thousands) of dollars to come see your **** team every Sunday, I'd like to know what you're striving for here. I don't think that's too much to ask from someone who purchases your product.

 

Matt Ryan, would be even more average had he been drafted by the Dolphins. He wouldn't haev recieved the coaching from Sparano that he needs.