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Glazer: Phins sign Garrard

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Tell me more of this "system"
     
  2. Bulldog

    Bulldog New Member

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    Welcome to Sparano HELL! You think Sanchez has sucked in the past...wait until Spanny gets ahold of him!
     
  3. Bulldog

    Bulldog New Member

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    Google WCO ...Green Bay
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I'm bumping this post again, because the chicken littles haven't commented on the fact that a year ago everyone wanted Garrard.

    Why would they I guess? When a panic fueled hate filled rhetoric laden narrative fits like an old pair jeans, why slip on some facts?

     
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  5. Bulldog

    Bulldog New Member

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    Genius...pure genius
     
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  6. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Better. Man, you have forgotten. Winning the division doesn't mean much when you go and lose your first playoff game.
     
  7. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Porter & Crowder? 2 ex jilted Dolphins?
     
  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Wait...how far did you get in the playoffs last year?
     
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  9. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Kind of like only getting in to the playoffs bc someone else sat their starters right?
     
  10. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    Can't make them every year, but you try :) Best of luck to the Dolphins in 2012-13.
     
  11. Bulldog

    Bulldog New Member

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    What does getting to the AFCCG and losing after promising the Super Bowl mean?
     
  12. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    See my previous post.
     
  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    But you guys were only a game away from the playoffs last year....what happened? Surely you ran afoul of some powerhouse football team or something. No way a Rex coached team would fall to a lowly division rival during the most important game of the season. No effing way that would happen.
     
  14. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    U mad. Don't blame you. Best of luck next year.
     
  15. Jimmy James

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    A GM is not generally speaking involved in coaching hiring decisions. Of course a coach has to meet a certain budget for his assistants, but that as I understand it is not a player personnel decision. It's one I'd expect the operations VP to be making.
     
  16. southbeachbeast

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    ok let me offer some of you idiots a little perspective for a second before u go jumping off a cliff. first of all there is not more than 1 franchise quaterback that was available in FA and we went after him and he picked a different situation, so move on. if Matt Flynn is a franchise QB no one would have a better idea than Joe Philbin, and obviously he did not think he was even worthy of 8+ mil a year (which is a lot less than franchise Qb money) so we have to trust his opinion on that, he knows a lot more than any of you. And say what you want about Garrard but if he is %100 which he better be if we signed him, then I would much rather have him than Matt Flynn or Alex Smith or you name a QB (besides Manning obviously) he was solid in Jacksonville and I bet none of you could name his top recievers over the years, and by the way notice how EVERYONE IS JUST EXPECTING MANNING TO RETURN TO OLD FORM AFTER 4 NECK SURGERIES, WHOS TO SAY GARRARD ISNT CAPABLE OF RETURNING AS WELL AFTER JUST 1 BACK SURGERY AND HES 2 YEARS YOUNGER THAN MANNING. were still gonnna draft a QB to develop for a year or 2 and let Garrard compete with Moore (underated) for this year, that is simply our best option this year guys, DONT U SEE THAT??????? Marshall was just a distraction and dropped critical passes and is inconsistent which is the last thing we need from what is supposed to be our best player, this is a DEEP receiving class draft and Philbin knows what he likes in a receiver (and it aint Marshall) so we dont necessarily need a "# 1" receiver all he would be doing is asking for the ball all game, I would rather have 4-5 solid receiving options and we already have at least 3 so we can get more young, cheap talent in the middle rounds at receiver. as for YB im tired of watching him stumble and miss tackles or blow a coverage or get a stupid penalty, yeah he might be a great leader or have a big hit now and then and be good in the locker room whatever.. at the end of the day we cant be paying a 34 year old safety almost 5 mil a year when we can get younger, better players. YB used to be solid but he is declining fast lets face it. Id put Reshad at SS instead of FS. and R Marshall is a great signing and we kept Soliai hopefully add Anderson as a pass rusher and were about set on D, especially after the draft. See this is what I CANT STAND from Dolphins fans you get so worked up over every move and magnify it and act like it has to save the franchise, where that is simply not the case, not everyone is Peyton Manning. Another thing is you guys act like the offseason is over and were just done making moves and we dont have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, I mean COME ON dont u ppl see we have a young, talented team and are just a couple pieces away. And i dont know about you but I AM A LOT MORE CONFIDENT JOE PHILBIN CAN FIND A QB IN THE DRAFT THAN SPARANO OR IRELAND so relax and see what happens the rest of the way and stop being such whiny little *****es over every move the team makes, none of you would be good GMs.

    Peace
     
  17. Jimmy James

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    Joe Philbin isn't the one calling the shots on our draft, guy who is calling others idiots. That'd be Jeffy Ireland.
     
  18. SICK

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    You should make your font smaller next time, its wayyyyyyy too friggin big.
     
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  19. ZFINS44

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    Garrard should wear number 18 because he will be the 18th failure of a qb since marino
     
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  20. ToddsPhins

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    yeah, but he's a self professed "beast" so it's gotta be small right. [​IMG]
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    Jeff, is that you Mr Ireland? It's an pleasure to have you aboard, sir. :knucks:
     
  22. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    but the again, I'm not *****ing either lol
     
  23. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Well it's a good thing you're not in the GM League this year b/c your sig would still look the same next year. :shifty:
     
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  24. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I've never played against you have I? It would be a good match up!! Maybe in 5 years when I get out of Dental School lol.

    I was originally going to do it this year, but I had to take Biochemistry, Genetics, Physics II, and Microbiology (all with labs) and get a 3.30 GPA this semester in accordance with my acceptance to a certain Dental School. There was no way I could have done both.
     
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  25. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Excuses excuses Mr Smartypants. :tongue2:


    Bummer you couldn't do both but you obviously made the wisest decision.
    I'm like you; I'd have zero ability to keep from investing too much time in the league despite what I'd try telling myself in advance. :lol:
     
  26. southbeachbeast

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    look all im saying is what else were we supposed to do when we couldn't get Peyton? Over pay for an unproven Matt Flynn who his own coach doesnt believe in? Over pay Alex Smith? Trade our future for unproven RGIII? I mean all Garrard is a low risk high reward guy if he can stay healthy, were still going to draft a QB for the future and we should have plenty of options there. So what were we supposed to do geniuses?
     
  27. ToddsPhins

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    agree..... outside of the RG3 comment.
     
  28. Killer Bees

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    beside's the meaningless playoff games that got you nothing, when's the last time the jets organization won anything? Division? Conference? and Garrard/Moore have already proven they are better quarterbacks than the player Tannenbaum traded down for, which costed them a 2nd round pick and swapping 1sts (don't remember all the details) for bum Sanchez. The jets are a joke. and now your stuck with him for another 2 years. oh yeah throw in Greene yeah great draft. haha
     
  29. jdang307

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    and if Plan A was, "we will not overpay and look to the draft" are we still not on Plan A?

    If we wanted Flynn bad, would we not have him?
     
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  30. ToddsPhins

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    Hey, settle down with the attacks on Bickety.
    Just b/c he's a Jets fan doesn't make him open hunting season. Ed's good for the forum and is a respectful poster despite the excessive amount of harassment he endures to be here. It'd be disappointing to see him grow fed up with it and not return. Cool? :knucks:
     
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  31. Hiruma78

    Hiruma78 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    but there is a thing I don't understand: all in all, after all these some screens, etc, we go in the draft day WITHOUT a franchise QB, right? at that point, isn't kind of obvious for other teams that we will looking for some of the QB in the drafts, even reaching for one of them?

    I don't see clearly (but, remember, I am no expert or anything like that, I never played, just an Italian watching miami wnehever I can.... and viva internet for that!!:up:) how all these plots could help us.... even if other teams don't understand us, they know we are without an elite QB and we probably will loking for in the draft....

    without saying that we pick AFTER Cleveland, so the problem is more what THEY think about Tannehill


    and a question: if Cleveland let Tannehill pass at 4, what other teams could be interested, after Seattle signed Flynn?

    thanks&sorry for my bad English
     
  32. jw3102

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    So what you are saying is that the Dolphins signed a QB who was cut by the Jacksonville Jaguars in the preseason last year, just in case they are unable to draft another QB who will probably never amount to anything as an NFL QB. That sounds about right, considering this is the Miami Dolphins we are talking about here.

    Ross established two goals going into this off season. The first was to hire a HC with previous head coaching experience in the NFL. He failed in this when he hired Philbin, who not only has never been a HC in the NFL, but has never been a HC at any level of football before.

    Ross also stated that the top priority for the team was to upgrade the QB position. Garrard has been a mediocre starter throughout his career in the NFL and he was cut by the Jaqs last year and replaced by a rookie QB who was not yet ready to be a starter in the NFL. If the signing of Garrard is to be considered an upgrade at the QB position for the Dolphins, Ross, Ireland, and the coaching staff obviously feels that Matt Moore is an absolutely terrible QB.

    As far as Tannehill, Weeden, or any of the other second tier QB's in the upcoming draft is concerned. I see only two QB's in this entire draft that will be effective in the NFL in the coming years RG3 and Luck. The rest of this group of QB's appear to be nothing but very mediocre starters or backups in the future.

    The Dolphins were 6-10 last season and after observing their inability to upgrade this team in free agency and knowing Ireland's track record in the draft, I think that winning 6 games again next year will be about the most this team can expect.

    Hopefully Ross will realize now that he is completely in over his head as an NFL owner and he will put the team up for sale. As long as he is the owner and he has individuals like Ireland running this team, the Dolphins will remain at the bottom of the NFL in record and attendance.
     
  33. jw3102

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    No, I don't believe that Flynn would have come to the Dolphins under any circumstances. The fact is that the Seahawks are a better organization, top to bottom at this time and after meeting with both organizations, Flynn realized this.

    As far as not overpaying for Flynn goes. The Dolphins are 20-28 over the last three years and they have very little money left under the salary cap. So it appears to me that Ross and Ireland have been overpaying for very mediocre talent since they took over this organization. I don't see a plan A , B or any other plan by these men. What I see are an owner and GM who have absolutely no idea how to build a winning football team.
     
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  34. Miamian

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    I'm sorry if this has already been stated, but I just saw this and I really have neither the time, nor the patience to plod through 14 pages. I'm wondering if Garrard or Moore is trade bait, probably packaged with our second or third round pick to move up in the draft.

    Besides the fact that he has a 1-year contract, he's already 34 years old.
     
  35. ToddsPhins

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    Hey Hiramu. Good question, our Italian Dolphin fan. I could see where you would think that b/c the logic behind it makes sense, but it's not always the case.
    Even if we don't have a franchise QB, it's still possible that we "hypothetically" do not perceive Tannehill as one and subsequently pass on him, and it's possible that we "could" be more interested in Brandon Weeden even though I don't think that to be the case. A need at the QB position doesn't always equate to a team spending the first round pick on the best player whom most people feel is available.

    Case in point, the 2008 St Louis Rams. Big need at QB and everyone knew it. With the #2 pick, they passed on Matt Ryan who was drafted one pick later.

    The Redskins have had a giant hole at QB for a few years, and it wasn't finally until this year that they pulled the trigger to get one.
    With roughly 50% of 1st round QBs either busting or failing to live up to their 1st round billing combined with teams often in the "win now mode or fear getting fired" there's a little apprehension involved with spending a 1st rounder on a QB who typically will need a few years to develop.

    Miami bringing in all these QBs might help us by leaving other teams feeling uncertain about Tannehill if Miami (and Tannehill's college head coach turned Dolphins offensive coordinator) doesn't seem to be showing much interest in him, and it might be just enough concern to where teams are hesitant to use draft picks to trade ahead of us. The more we genuinely seem disinterested in Tannehill the better.

    Yeah, Cleveland at 4 is out biggest enemy, but TBH I strongly get the feeling that's too high. I get the feeling they like him but not enough use their #4 on him but enough to use their #22 should he make it that far.

    I could see KC contemplating a trade up for him, not sure about anyone else at the moment. I currently like our position.
     
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  36. Hiruma78

    Hiruma78 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    ^^^^
    thanks, let's hope there is a plan :)

    I have to say that, at this moment, I don't feel very optmistic all in all (and it is not for the Gerrard signing per se), but I guess we can only wait&see: after all, it is the beauty of the off-season/draft.... hope&speculation :lol:
     
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  37. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Good idea, it'll drive you crazy.
     
  38. Bulldog

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    OK....so who do you think the Dolphins should have brought it? Manning? Or do you think they should have just brought in Flynn or Smith because "fans" say so? I, for one, do not want the GM or owner of my favorite team listening to kneejerk fans. Do you?

    And has the draft happened yet? I must have missed it.
     
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  39. Darrelle Revis

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    Absolutely. You guy decided to retain Jeff Ireland, lost out on Jeff Fisher, lost out Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Garcon, lost out on Matt Flynn, traded the best player on the team for two 3rd round picks.
     
  40. Section126

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    No.

    This is Plan E. They are winging it. Making it up as they go along. They have NO PLAN.

    So far:

    PLAN A. They explored trading for RG3. (Price too high for them.)
    PLAN B. They went after Peyton Manning.
    PLAN C. They went after Matt Flynn.
    PLAN D. They explored Alex Smith.
    PLAN E. Sign a backup (Garrard and go into the draft)

    THAT is not a plan. That is what somebody that doesn't know what they are doing does.

    and has anybody given it any thought to a team holding us up for picks for Tannehill? or maybe a team taking him and keeping us from even taking him?
     
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