[Merged] Alex Smith visiting Dolphins today...

Um we were still signing players during our pursuit of manning. And every other qb option that was there before is still available.

 

Why don't you call the front office and complain Mike. Seems like that would be more likely to get something done.

 

Then stop *****ing......

 

People complain that Smith was a caretaker and only threw 17 TDs to 5 INTs; it's kind of a weak argument to list his regular season stats while omitting the post season.

Remind me, how many TDs, INTs, and yards did he throw for in his 2 straight playoff games? What's that? 5 TDs, 0 INTs, 495 yards, 7.3 avg, and a 101 QBR.... with 7 rushes for 70 yards and 1 rushing TD. By my math that's an average of 3 TDs per game vs playoff competition.



Against the Giants, Alex threw as many TDs (2) in the NFC Champ game as Brady in the SB and Rodgers in his playoff loss to NY, only Smith threw 1 less INT, and he arguably had a better game than them both, and of the 4 teams who lost to the Giants in the post season (Falcons, Packers, Patriots, 49ers), Smith had the best chance to beat NY, and he far outplayed Matt Ryan whose team got their only points vs NY from a safety.


Against the Saints, his 4 total TDs accounted for 28 of the Niners 36 points in a game where someone needed to step up while SanFran's 2nd ranked scoring D was busy allowing 32 points to Brees. Not sure how that's considered caretaking, and I don't consider 42 pass attempts that game to be caretaking either.

 

def need a QB, who it is does matter. Weather it is Flynn or Smith, not really sure if it matters. We def need someone that has game time experience with the West Coast. To me that is a no brainer. Smith has the most experience. For the record, Smith's numbers are pretty good considering it was his first year in that system last year. We can not afford to be teaching a guy from scratch out of the gate it will ****** everyone's progress. It is why Manning is so covetted.....he gets it better then anyone, ever.....maybe even better then most coaches

 

All these posts are just negative, plus if you want to get away from the *****ing quite posting and reading, honestly your above post was useless. Everyone has their opinion but we are *****ing about the football team we love, not about other fans on a forum..

 

When did I ever *****? I was glad they pursued him. We didn't get him oh well. You do most of the *****ing here. I simply said it didn't set us back going after manning.

 

What would be teaching about philbins philosophy that he wouldn't already know?

 

Yeah I think I'll trust the Niners and the outstanding football minded Harbaugh's perception of Alex Smith over the excessively critical knee jerk reactions going on here.

 

So the Dolphins have been rebuilding for the last four years, just so they can now rebuild for another 3-4 years. I would have no problem with this if Ross has fired Ireland and hired a GM who I actually thought could rebuild this team over the next 3-4 years. Unfortunately I see Ireland as the main problem with this team over the last four years and I have no interest in seeing him continue to bring in players which will keep this a mediocre franchise for years to come.

I have no idea if Philbin will be a decent HC or not. It might be difficult for him to have any real success as long as he has to rely on the players he is given by Ireland. Unlike you, I have no interest in seeing the Dolphins go 7-9 or 8-8, and end up with with a draft pick in the first round which does not end up being an impact player in the NFL. I have seen enough of what finishing with a average record, year after year has done to this organization. These average records have led to nothing but a mediocre team for the majority of the past decade.

If average is what you are happy with, so be it. As for me, it is all or nothing. If the Dolphins can't be one of the best teams in the NFL. I would rather them suffer the consequences of higher draft picks in the first round and perhaps it will be the Dolphins drafting a Andrew Luck, or a RG3, instead of some other team. In fact I would love to see them be in a position to draft Matt Barkley next year, if they are in the 3-4 year rebuilding period which you state they are.

 

Question for everyone, do you think 49ers fans are happy or sad to see Alex Smith go? Should we take that into consideration or is it not relevant?

 

Very well said.

 

Smith may be an adequate QB with the 49ers because they have a dominant football team. They have far better players on offense and defense than the Dolphins do right now. Harbaugh has proven to be an excellent HC and he feels comfortable with Smith because of the players surrounding Smith.

I just don't see him coming to the Dolphins and being anywhere near as effective as he was with the 49ers last season. To me it appears the Dolphins are just trying to pressure Flynn into accepting less money by even showing any interest in Smith and Garrard.

 

I feel bad for Alex Smith... coach asks him to go out there, follow the gameplan, take care of the ball, and just play along with what we tell you. He does just that, takes the team to the NFC championship game, only has what, 6 or 7 turnovers all year, and now when it comes time for the 9ers to show him a little love, even if its just to re-sign him and let him compete for the job again, they dont even do that... I'd be pissed if I was him. After all he's been through with that organization in the last 7 or 8 years, I'm sure he doesnt even care what the fans think at this point, My guess is he'd be thrilled to get out of there and find some consistency somewhere.

That being said... I think you presently have the best sig on the board presently... well, aside from all the half naked women ones I wish people would look at those numbers of Moore a bit more seriously then just the overall picture. Well done Sir.

 

So Smith is only good cause SF is good? So he wont be good here cause we dont have a good team? Well I guess Matt Flynn only looked good in his whopping two games cause green bay is a good team,right?

 

Um Alex smith refused to sign a three year the deal the Niners put on the table in front of him. He wanted a long term deal. Then the Niners jumped into the Manning circus.

 

This was an excellent suggestion, so I went to the 49er's forum to see what the fans are saying. While some of the fans, (the minority), want Smith to return next season. The vast majority of the fans either didn't care if he left or they would rather see Manning as the 49er's QB next season. Many of the 49er's fans appear to think that Harbaugh will find a QB who can be as effective as Smith, if Manning doesn't sign sign with the 49er's and Smith signs somewhere else.

So basically I don't think there will be a revolt with the 49er's fans if Smith is not their QB next season.

 

Did subpar pass protection, the lack of a quality go-to receiver, and a lack of redzone talent not have anything to do with it? Why would Harbaugh want Smith taking a lot of chances when learning a new offense with inconsistency at WR, has an outstanding defense behind him, and is ALREADY winning games without having to take all these chances that you're criticizing him for not taking?

Do you not understand how mentally fragile Smith likely was after 6 straight years of new coaches and constantly getting knocked around? If you understand the brain you'd understand Smith was likely mentally impacted by all that crap and on the verge of being ruined. More important than having Smith take lots of chances etc was to work on instilling his confidence and repairing any mental damage incurred the previous 6 years. How do you do that? You do it by easing him into a new system and placing him in situations more conducive for success than failure..... and then by the end of the season after he's been properly built back up and had confidence instilled, you saw emerge as an apparent leader capable of taking charge and carrying his team. There's a gradual process involved; you don't just jump right to the end stage.


Throwing him right back into the fire and putting too much on his shoulders this season (as you're suggesting) would've done nothing but ruin him.... but that's why Harbaugh is a football genius and does wonders for QBs while Niner fans and yourself are watching from the outside, no offense.


So most Bay Area people felt San Fran was "settling for Smith"? That was before they went 14-4 and just missed a SB, right?

 

He's visiting Seattle too....both teams just trying to drive down Flynn's price? Considering it's doubtful that Flynn is better than Smith its a good strategy, but it also seems like the Dolphins and Seahawks feel Flynn is mediocre.

They will be if they get Manning. If not, then they would not be happy to lose Smith, then they have nobody better to turn to.

 

Smith played terrible during his time with the 49er's before Harbaugh arrived. I can certainly understand why the 49er's would be hesitant to offer a huge long term contract to a QB who has had one decent year in the seven years he has played in the NFL. I just can't see the Dolphins or any other team offering him anywhere near the money that the 49er's have offered him. When all is said and done, I see Smith either taking the deal with the 49er's or signing with another team for far less money and no more than the three years the 49er's want him to sign for.

 

No, personally I don't what most Niner fans think. Harbaugh and the Niners obviously like Smith, and that's what matters most IMO. I feel like I saw enough of 2011 Alex Smith to trust my own opinion of him rather than a portion of Niner nation.

 

Perhaps you need to check my other posts before you jump to the conclusion I am a Flynn fan. I have been saying ever since Manning announced he wasn't coming here that the Dolphins would be just as good next season if they stayed with Matt Moore as their starting QB. I don't like any of the free agent QB's, except Manning.

I have never been a Smith fan and yes, I do believe that Harbaugh was the reason Smith played as well as he did last year. I just don't see Smith coming to the Dolphins and having the same success here he had with the 49er's last year.

My hope is that the Dolphins somehow figure out a way to draft Matt Barkley in the 2013 draft. I just don't see any free agent QB's beyond Manning, or any QB's in the draft, except for RG3 or Luck, who I feel will upgrade the QB play for the Dolphins over the long term. So go with Matt Moore this year, and hope for Matt Barkley in 2013.

 

Obviously they like Manning more and if signing Manning for two or three years means they will lose Smith, they don't seem to care one bit. This includes Harbaugh.

 

having knowledge of a philosophy and executing in a game are 2 totally different things. Same as a surgeon, could I learn from a book...sure I could but actually doing the surgery is another thing altogether.

 

Yeah that's just so terrible for them to like one of the greatest QBs of all time more than Smith.

That doesn't mean they don't like Smith, and your statement as such is somewhat silly.



Since the Saints let Nicks walk does that mean they didn't care one bit about him either?
There's this thing called the salary cap. lol.

 

I get it. Unfortunately, I disagree. Nothing wrong with wanting it all. Reality is that almost never happens. Having it all would mean the superbowl and we been trying to get back to it and win it for 40 years, many of those years with the great Don Shula. Yes the Dolphins were rebuilding. Rebuilding from the core out. Changing the head coach means changing everything, coaches, philosophies, etc. that is a **** load of work. Work that takes time, the time I did not want to throw away.

 

i think the signing would make sense for them, they came very close to the super bowl with a very good defense, if manning is really back to some kind of himself and gives them 3 years, hell yeah say bye bye to alex smith

 

Is that the same due diligence they used when they waited a week to hire Fisher, only to discover at the last moment that Fisher wanted final say over all personnel matters? Perhaps this was something they could have discovered in the interview process if they actually understood anything about conducting proper due diligence.

They are interviewing Smith and Garrard only because they only have one experienced QB on the team right now and they will look like total fools if all these free agent QB's end up signing with other NFL teams. They were the supposed favorites to land Manning and they ended up not making his first cut. Flynn is likely to end up with the Seahawks, and if Manning doesn't sign with the 49ers', Smith will be the QB of the 49er's next season. So it looks like it is going to be Matt Moore and Garrard fighting it out in pre-season to be the starter for the Dolphins next season. My money is on Matt Moore.

Great job of due diligence on the part of Ross and Ireland.

 

This can only be because you do not trust in the coaching abilities of our new head coach, or you have been beaten into accepting mediocrity as Dolphin Football. Either way it is not good!!

 

Didn't the 49er's do this same thing last year and yet they nearly made the Super Bowl. The Jets under Ryan, went to the AFC championship game in his first year as the teams HC. So these teams made the playoffs in their first year under a new head coach, and both were in their conference championship games in these coaches first year. Yet you want me to accept that after four years of Ireland as the teams GM, I am suppose to just accept that it will take another 3-4 years under a new coach before the Dolphins can be expected to contend for a championship. Ain't gonna happen. I may be a fool but I'm not a damn fool.

 

The fact is that I don't accept mediocrity from this organization. If I did, I would still be a season ticket holder, happy to see the team finish at or below 500, year after year. My expectations are much higher than that, I assure you.

As far as Philbin goes. I have absolutely no idea how effective he will be as this teams HC. He may turn out to be a very good HC, or he may end up as another Cam Cameron. Since he has NEVER been a HC at any level of football, how can anyone really know how he will do in a position he has never held before? I hope for the best from Philbin, but JJ, Wannstedt, Saban, Cameron, and Sparano have clearly shown that high expectations regarding a new HC, are most often met with failure within just a few short years.

A Don Shula comes around very infrequently in the NFL.

 

same old ups & downs that go around & around, nowhere fast
I think Ice Hockey & Soccer are good sports, always loved boxing

there is life beyond this perennial loser Dolphin Franchise
think I'll take a break & check back in @ the beginning of pre-season

the only thing more ridiculous than watching this garbage strewn about the street is playing in it.
I have reached the point with the dolphins that they will have to show me something to regain my attentions

it's all just become too ugly to bear, thank God Marshall got out, all the guy ever wanted to do is win
Matt Moore

 

Ireland was really only a true GM for 1 year, but I'm sure you'll continue to ignore this. The first few years it was Parcells' show.

 

Funny, but when you look at the management structure of the Dolphins over the last four years, it is Ireland who is listed as the teams GM during this period. I guess you just continue to ignore this fact. Also the worst record the Dolphins have had during this entire four year period was last year, when Parcells was no longer with the organization and Ireland had total control. I guess you just choose to ignore this fact also.

 

...not enough cocaine.

 

The fact is that professional sports isn't about caring, it's about winning. Teams do what they have to in an attempt to win and if that means signing players they feel are better than the players they have on the team now, so be it. Caring about the feelings of the players who have played for them in the previous season is secondary to winning games in the season to come. Harbaugh and the 49er's front office see Manning as an upgrade over Smith and if signing Manning means Smith will no longer be with the 49er's, I don't see anyone on the 49er's really caring about where Smith ends up playing next year. I am sure they will thank him for his seven years with the team, and send him on his way.

I've never seen a clown wipe his butt with a rabbit, so I don't know if it is silly or not. Obviously you get some type of enjoyment watching others wipe their butts. This appears rather strange to me but you are certainly free to find enjoyment anyway you want to.

 

So we fail to get the benchwarmer (Flynn) and now we are chasing the fluke (Smith)? Man I hope Manning is coming or we are seriosuly going to be tossing yet another season here.

 

I live in the Bay and watch a lot of 49er games. Alex Smith is basically Mark Sanchez. He'll have a good game once in a while, get carried by his defense, and is very inaccurate over. He does turn the ball over less than Sanchez though which isn't too hard to do.

 

I don't want you to "accept" anything. What I am asking is to be patient and let the process take place. It is good that we are looking around. Others just chalk it up to ineptitude. Ireland & Co are damned if they do and Damned if they don't. I just want some consistency. I pray Philban comes in and takes us to the AFC championship. Factors like trading Marshall and not throwing everything at Peyton Manning tell me that our Hierarchy thinks we are alot further then the teams you mentioned.

Don't accept anything but a superbowl. When they deliver that demand another.....I got your back.

 

except for Tony Dungy. He had a 6-10 season the first year then made the playoff 10 seasons in a row capturing 1 ring with Indy and the other ring won by Gruden when he left Tampa was his....not Gruden's. Gruden just rode they pony till the end. Which is why I was glad we didn't hire him. He did nothing with Tampa after Tony left.