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Matt Flynn is currently at Dolphins HQ

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by steveincolorado, Mar 17, 2012.

  1. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Matt Moore had a very good season last year, he ended up ranked 12th?? Not sure. One of our couch GM's on here was pissed when we signed him and though it was a terrible signing, guess he was wrong. Bottem line is Moore is not going to sell tickets and Ross knows this.
     
  2. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I am not sure how my thinking Matt Moore is a better option than Matt Flynn equates to me not supporting the 2012 Dolphins. I just don't think Flynn is going to turn out to be a good long term answer at the QB position for the Dolphins. As I stated earlier, I thought that only RG3, Luck, and Manning were QB's worth drafting or signing this off season.

    Since the Dolphins won't be getting one of these three QB's, I would rather see Matt Moore as the QB in 2012 and the Dolphins can always attempt to do whatever is necessary to put themselves in a position to draft Barkley next year. Even if it means they have to make a trade similar to what the Redskins did this year to move up and be able to draft RG3.

    I certainly want to see the Dolphins have success in 2012, but since I don't think Flynn or Moore are the long term solution at the QB position. I would rather see the Dolphins attempt to get Barkley in the 2013 draft. If you think Flynn is the answer at the QB position, fine. I just happen to feel differently.

    I take a lot of heat on here for my feelings in regards to Ross and Ireland. I have no problem with this because I certainly realize that these two men have a number of supporters on this forum. Forums though are not intended only for those who see everything through rose colored glasses. It is also for those of us who happen to recognize that there are serious problems with this organization right now. My feelings regarding Ross and Ireland doesn't prevent me from rooting for the players. If Flynn is signed, I will hope that I am wrong in my assessment of his capabilities to be an effective long term starter in the NFL. I will root for him and the rest of the team. I just don't have the confidence in his abilities that some others on here seem to have.

    What I will not do is purchase season tickets next year. I gave up my tickets last season after forty years because of my displeasure with Ross keeping Sparano and Ireland after the 2010 season. Sparano is gone but with Ireland still the teams GM. I just don't have any interest in supporting Ross with my money. I am open to Ross and Ireland changing my mind about their abilities to turn this organization around, but so far they have done nothing but show they can build and maintain a very average football team.
     
  3. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I don't care about selling tickets. Personally I don't care if no-one shows up to any of our games as long as we win and don't relocate the team LOL

    He also had a very good first season in Carolina. His second was marred by injury and a horrible team around him. IMO He deserves a chance to at least compete for the job.
     
  4. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    The Dolphins were 6-3 with Moore as the starter last season. They were 0-7 with Henne as the starter. So yes, it did work rather well with Moore as the starting QB last year. I don't think he is the long term answer, but I don't think Flynn is either.
     
  5. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    You take heat because you ***** and moan every
    Post throw out hyperbole and then throw yourself in the cross.you know why you take heat.stop playing
     
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  6. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Do you honestly think that signing Flynn, a four year backup in the NFL, is going to increase season ticket sales? Personally I think the Dolphins will sell less season tickets for the 2012 season than they did for the 2011 season. The only QB's the Dolphins could have signed or drafted which would have increased season ticket sales for next season were Manning, Luck, or RG3.

    If Flynn comes in and is as good as some on here think he will be, the Dolphins may sell more individual game tickets as the season goes along. I just don't see the signing of Flynn causing fans to want to purchase season tickets, unless they already have. If he is a success next year, I could see an increase in season ticket sales in 2013, but not in 2012.
     
  7. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If I were a backup NFL quarterback, I could watch Dan Marino play for years, hold a clipboard for him, chart plays and defenses for him, and it wouldn't make me any kind of a different quarterback at all, because I would not be Dan Marino.

    The only way it would help me is if I had something close to his physical skill set and the quick decisiveness and confidence that comes from having it, but I was doing something fundamentally wrong that could be taught. After four years in the NFL and a national championship college career, one would think that some quarterback coach somewhere would have worked with me to fix the problem. But you can't teach being Dan Marino. Think Damon Huard.

    Moral of the story: Flynn backed up Rogers because Flynn is a backup, not Rogers or any kind of a franchise quarterback. If we sign Flynn, we will have two backups. Let the better one start.
     
  8. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    What do you care about season tickets? You wrote that you gave yours up.
     
  9. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Taking heat doesn't bother me in the least. Yes I ***** and moan, because I am sick and tired of seeing two men basically run a former great organization into the ground. Perhaps you are happy with the 20-28 record the Dolphins have posted over the last three seasons. I'm not and you are correct, I have no problem taking the heat for posting comments which you and some others on here don't like.
     
  10. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Holy crap, Seahawks fans are going to jump off a cliff if Flynn signs with Miami. Their Flynn thread is longer than our Manning thread -

    http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43609

    From one of the fans there:

     
  11. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    i will jump off a bridge if we dont get flynn
     
  12. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's Seattle. The Space Needle. They will jump off the Space Needle.
     
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  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Just once I'd love for us to be the fans that get to celebrate and watch another team figure out a plan B, or I guess in their case it's plan C or D.
     
  14. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    lol
     
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    This is common sense above absolute madness of most people trying to justify starting a QB who's played 2 games. Our secondary was destroyed in those last few games we had so many injuries I'm not saying what Flynn done was a a fluke but our secondary was not the same we were missing 2 starters and had an UDFA at CB and we just weren't the same team when Delmas was lost for the 2nd part of the season. That game was very decieving even Stafford couldn't make up for how poorly our defence played that day and he was a top 5 QB last year.
     
  16. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Flynn backed up Rodgers because Rodgers had extablished himself as the the starter. And Rodgers sat for what 3 years behind Favre? I don't know too many backups who through up the numbers Flynn did albeit 2 games. Philbin has seen enough of the guy that I'll put my trust that he is the right choice until its proven otherwise.
     
  17. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Yes I did, along with nearly twenty thousand other former season ticket holders. Of course this doesn't prevent the Dolphins from calling me and writing to me in an attempt to get me to purchase season tickets once again. Because the fact is that it is the season ticket holders of the Dolphins who purchase the tickets which provide the majority of the financial support for the entire organization. I have written to the owner to express my displeasure with the direction of the organization and stating my desire to see Ireland terminated.

    This doesn't seem to faze anyone in the organization, but I still get calls and letters wanting me, as a former long time season ticket holder, to support the team by once again purchasing season tickets. It appears to me that they don't care how unhappy I am with the organization. They just want me to once again spend the over three thousand dollars a year I was spending on 4 season tickets and parking at the stadium. When they show me they actually know what they are doing, I will gladly purchase season tickets again. Right now though, no way.
     
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  18. surferosa

    surferosa Balance and Vision

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    Im not a fan of Flynn per se, but I believe hes going to get 2-3X that wherever he goes. Matt Cassel got $28M guaranteed and 10M a year from the Chiefs and Id be surprised if FLynn doesnt get something similar.
     
  19. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    It's sad how we can get of rid of season tickets and get them back whenever we want, where other teams fans have been waiting decades to get their hands on season tickets.
     
  20. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Not that big on Flynn but that'd be a pretty amazing deal for us.
     
  21. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    You don'y buy season tickets to support the front office. You do it to support the players on the field. Maybe they suck or maybe they are amazing, either way they go out there and try and win games for fans. Why stop supporting THEM.
     
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  22. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Generations. There has been litigation in New York Surrogate's Court over inheriting the Giants season tickets.
     
  23. 1. Cassel had a better resumee then Flynn has. Cassel played an entire season at a high level.

    2. They also overpaid for Cassel. I like Cassel but he is not worth the money he got, IMO.

    3. If we are competing for flynn and another organazation is offering him that type of money I hope the Dolphins pass on him, JMO.
     
  24. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I remember when Marino was injured during one season and Scott Mitchell stepped in for seven games and was so effective that there were reporters in the media, as well as many fans on the radio who felt that the Dolphins should trade Marino in the off season and that Mitchell should become the Dolphins starter. Of course Shula knew how stupid this would be, so he let Mitchell go in free agency. Mitchell, while he did an excellent job in his starts with the Dolphins, signed in the off season with the Detroit Lions and was a complete flop as the starter with the Lions.

    So just because a QB sits behind a great QB and does well in a few starts in the regular season certainly doesn't prove that he will be a success once he is another teams full time starter. In fact the Cardinals and Chiefs, in recent years have signed former backups who played well in the regular season for both their previous teams. Neither of these teams are happy with these QB's, as shown by their interest in signing Manning.
    Flynn may turn out to be a decent starter in the NFL but history seems to show otherwise.
     
  25. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I did that for forty years. I spent well over $150,000 going to home games and traveling to see over 30 away games over those years. So I am certainly not going to apologize for the fact that I took a stand and decided to give up my season tickets because of my displeasure with the management of the Dolphins. I still support the team. I just do it like most fans in Miami have for years. In front of the television, instead of at the stadium.

    I have purchased season tickets to the Hurricanes since 1971 and continue to do so, even through their down years. I also continue to go to 20-25 Heat home games a year. I attend 5-10 Panther games a year. I am not a fan of the Marlins ownership so I do not attend any Marlin games. I feel I certainly have supported the majority of the South Florida sports teams over the last forty plus years. My disagreement isn't with the players of the Dolphins, but since it is my money, I have just decided to go to more Heat games than I once attended, instead spending this money to support an owner and GM who I have no confidence in. I understand those who feel I am wrong because they feel I should continue attend games to support the players. I just feel differently.
     
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  26. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I don't think you are a bad fan or anything. Obviously you want a good product on the field if you are going to spend that much money. I was just making the point that the players on the field need some support. There are so many empty seats already, it is discouraging and certainly doesn't help matters.

    When the Falcons owner first purchased the team no-one was attending games. He asked the team what it would take to turn around their performance and they unwaiveringly said they needed fans in the stands to give them that extra little edge. Not to says fans going to games will make us win 12 games in a season, but my point is that the atmosphere around your team completely changes. I wish we could fill our stadium. That is where my frustration comes from.
     
  27. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Actually I agree with you. It is sad that season tickets are so easy to obtain for the Dolphins. Yet as a former long time season ticket holder, this has always been the case. In the early seventies when the Dolphins were the dominant team in the NFL, it was difficult to purchase season tickets. Since that period, there have always been season tickets available for those who want to purchase them. I will admit that it was much easier to give up my season tickets knowing that I would never have a problem getting tickets in the future. That is just part of living in an area where the vast majority of the people living here are from somewhere else.

    Perhaps I would have been hesitant to give up these tickets if I had thought that I wouldn't be able buy season tickets again in the future.
     
  28. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I loved attending games at the stadium and going to see the Dolphins on the road. In fact I attended every home game in 2007 when the Dolphins went 1-15. So I certainly have supported the team over the years, win or lose.

    As I have stated numerous times, my problem isn't with the players, it's with the management. I just have no confidence in Ross and Ireland and the only way I really have to show my lack of faith in these individuals is by my refusal to put my money in their pockets. It pains me to not be at the stadium each week supporting the players but, Ross and Ireland really haven't given me another option at this point.
    If you disagree with my position, I understand perfectly where you are coming from.
     
  29. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Do you have some insight as to how well Matt Moore’s skill set translates to the WCO Philbin and Sherman will be installing?

    While I understand your trepidation about signing Flynn because of his relative inexperience, I believe this to be a unique situation. I had never heard of this Joe Philbin guy until the tragedy involving his son. Since then I have not seen or heard one person with a prior association with him ever have a single negative thing to say about him in regard to his football acumen. He’s been a winner at every level, a teacher and tactician.

    If Joe Philbin is willing to put his HC career in the hands of Matt Flynn, he has earned that right.
     
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  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    is this not a hypocritical statement???
     
  31. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    No it isn't a hypocritical statement. It is a statement of FACT.
     
  32. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy


    No. He's right. I gave up my season tickets after the '04 season and have never had any problem getting good seats on a per game basis.
     
  33. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Even if I lived in Miami, I wouldn't buy season tickets. I've been a fan of the Dolphins for over 40 years. I support the team within a budget. Spending 3k on season tickets is not within my budget, but I actually dont mind watching the games on Sunday Ticket. During the season, I have 6 tv's going and I'd rather sit with my friends and watch football that way.
     
  34. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I agree that it is Philbin who is putting his job on the line and he is certainly entitled to talk the Dolphins ownership and Ireland into signing Flynn if he wants to. I just happen to not have the confidence in Flynn being a quality long term starter in the NFL. I am not saying I know more than Philbin in regards to Flynn. It is also not my job on the line if Flynn fails.

    You may also be correct and Moore's skill set just may not suit the Dolphins WCO, I admit I don't know. If this is the case though, perhaps the Dolphins should be looking to sign a backup who would be better suited for the offense in case Flynn doesn't work out or he is injured next season. It doesn't make much sense to keep a backup who can't run the offense they are planning to install next season.

    It's not that I don't want Philbin and Flynn to succeed if Flynn signs with the Dolphins. I hope he is a far better QB than I think he will be. I just see him having far more risk than reward at this point.
     
  35. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    JW, these forums are for fans to express their opinions...Whether I support Mr. Loss or Irish have nothing to do with rose colored glasses...it has to do with my opinion...just as yours is not to support them...If you don't share my opinion, that's fine, but my support has nothing to do with rose colored glasses.. You're assumption is that if I differ with your opinion that I'm not facing the reality that you've chosen to accept is wrong. I can choose to support or dislike these guys without agreeing with your opinion... I am not trying to be condescending, I'm just explaining that you are arguing that some folks have these 'rose colored glasses' simply because they don't happen to agree with you...
     
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  36. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    The funny thing is that I think Pat Devlin has physical tools. I just don't know if he has the smarts.

    I don't know if you've seen this but the kid is accurate.

    [video=youtube;EOBxUdi3glQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOBxUdi3glQ[/video]
     
  37. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    It only cost me that amount of money because I purchased four season tickets a year, plus the parking pass. You certainly wouldn't have to pay that amount if you were only purchasing one or two season tickets plus a parking pass a year.

    I was fortunate during my working years to have a very good salary and my investments have done well over the years. Attending sporting events has always been something I have enjoyed and I have been lucky enough to have the financial resources to attend games all over the country as well as over 700 sporting events in South Florida over the last forty years. This past season was the first time in the past forty years where I actually watched Dolphin home games on television. I will admit that it was nice sitting around with friends in the comfort of my home watching the game. Especially the games in September and early October when it feels like an oven in the stadium.

    As comfortable at it was at my own home, I still look forward to a time in the future when I will have more confidence in the management of the Dolphins organization and I will once again want to attend home games in person. Unfortunately now is not that time.
     
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  38. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I am certainly sorry if I offended you. I totally agree that you are entitled to your opinion, just as everyone else on this forum is entitled to their opinion. I guess my." rose colored glasses", comment was merely an attempt to express my view of those who seem to have no tolerance for opinions which differ from their pro management view. I see now how my comment does nothing to add to the discussion on this forum, but it merely allows the discussion to diminish into a discourse of zero tolerance for others opinions. Again I do apologize for this comment.
     
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  39. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I like Devlin, but I really haven't seen him play enough to have an opinion on his future in the NFL. He does seem to have a good arm but whether or not he will be is fit for the WCO will now be up to Philbin and Sherman.
     
  40. Alex44

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    I'll admit I don't know much about Devlin or his potential but that was pretty impressive.
     

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