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with or without Manning...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Philbin doesn't strike me as the type to play an inferior player over a superior one because of ego. Parcells? Yes. Saban? Yes. But not Philbin.
     
  2. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Because although a little bit is more than zero, neither is enough to predict whether the quarterback in question will be a consistently good NFL starter or not.
     
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  3. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    I seriously hope not
     
  4. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    thankfully none of the people on this board, myself included, make these decisions...i'm pretty sure joe philbin knows more about matt flynn than any of you think you might know...so if philbin says he's the guy, then he's the guy..but to say you watched 2 of his games and know whether he'll be great or fail is insanity...unless you've seen every single snap he's taken since he's been drafted, like philbin, you in effect no NOTHING about him
     
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  5. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Except for the fact that......you know........NO ONE said that.

    Not one person stated he would be great or fail from watching two games. The argument is some of us are saying 2 very nice nfl starts with some preseason inbetween plus being groomed behind Arod means something, when compared to a fresh rookie coming out of the draft who has zero NFL time to this point. It does mean something, its a bit of tangible evidence, which is very valuable and probably reassuring to a guy like Philbin. Essentially it is saying 1 is greater than zero, nothing more or less, but some people are seemingly butthurt and just read what they want to read... which is something along the lines of "Flynn is the next greatest QB EVER! did you see those 2 starts? he is gods gift to football! NOTHING LESS"

    why is this still going on? lol
     
  6. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    because there's nothing else going on until he signs here or seattle....then we can over react to either decision :)
     
  7. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    If I was Flynn i'd sign here even with less money just purely for comfort zone, obviously i'm not, but I do hope we get him...very much so...
     
  8. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    i agree with that...less involved than manning..plus he's younger and he knows philbin's system, which seems like a no brainer and a win for both sides..or at least that's what i keep telling myself
     
  9. Bulldog

    Bulldog New Member

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    If you never said that you sure do imply it when you write things like this. You're "hoping very much that we get him", why? Based off of his 2 games I can presume because there is really no other reason to really want Flynn.

    I hope Philbin makes the right decision about him and that's about as far as my hoping about Flynn goes. If the Dolphins pick him up I will then feel confident enough in his abilities to "hope". Until then though, I'm 100% neutral about the guy.
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    don't forget preseason
     
  11. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I'm not sure how many times I have to say this...........well obviously once more......... the guy worked with Philbin for 4 years. (Oh btw that's our HC). and Philbin is installing his own offense in Miami that Flynn knows, and had jammed into his head.

    I don't know if he will be a bust QB or a Hall of famer in his future, Fact is I see him as LESS of a bust chance because of this. NOT THAT HE WONT, Just that he has LESS of a chance than compared to any other bargain QB we can get thats left (THE TANGIBLE ONES). That is actually pretty much commonsense at this point, and the fact that he has ATLEAST 2 successful starts in FULL LENGTH NFL games, is just a bit of icing on the cake. So yeah.. with what we have to choose from and that being said? YEAH. I do want him VERY MUCH SO.

    No one said he was amazing, or great, or bust proof, or a franchise qb, or a savior, or the next marino, or that becasue of his stats in his 2 starts it means he is fool proof or ANYTHING OF THE SORT. Apparently that is just what you continue to read. That he is "the second coming of football jesus" to us and we are all bowing to his 2 start statistics. No.

    Why are you still arguing these things? You're 100% neutral thats cool, all we have done is state is the facts. If you'd prefer to sign the bargain QBs left in the draft and place your "hope" on their shoulders by making THEM start with all this being said, thats fine, but me siding with reason, cannot.

    **** ****.
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If I was the type to put animated gifs, I would put in a slow clap right here.

    Bravo, sir, bravo.
     
  13. Bulldog

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    Now you're just putting words into my mouth because you've painted yourself into a corner. Which is funny because you weren't even a part of the convo. FinD, Dupree and I were having. You just kind of butted in. Youy "hoping very much" that he comes here shows that you do in fact believe he is a franchise QB, our savior, and amazing. Why else would you hope veyr much? And other than Manning, have you read anything from me about wanting any other free agent QB? I hope we find our QB. Maybe it is Flynn. But your hoping very much that we get him is, IMO, going overboard and setting yourself up for possible disappointment for one main reason. Philbin may not think Flynn is the guy and thus not bring him here. Your hoping is like me handing you a paper bag and telling you to open it on Christmas. You hope it's a $1 million check. What if it turns out to me an old, moldy sandwich? If you keep it real you won't get disappointed as often.
     
  14. Bulldog

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    You would clap for his inconsistency, backtracking, diatribe, strawman, and plain old putting words into other people's mouths? Why?
     
  15. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I hope very much we start Flynn over Someone like Tannehill without proper grooming... Yep. No argument there. I'd love to give the guy a shot, given we have reached the BOTTOM OF THE BARREL with the QBs left

    Do I think Flynn is Franchise? No clue..... I honestly don't even know what you're talking about anymore... I said I hope we sign him very much so and that automatically makes me think he is a franchise qb? I never stated that, never even HINTED that, just becasue I used the words hope and very much? Are you insane ?

    You have said over and over that the games in the nfl and anything else backing up flynn is meaningless and i am disproving that... His time with Philbin and icing-on-the-cake 2 games start do mean something....... i'm not putting words in your mouth, lol... I'm in a corner? You were having a convo with 2 other people that disagree with you 110% and i'm the 4th guy butting in? LOL. You might need to re-read this thread from the beginning because YOU joined later than anyone else initially.

    WTH rofl

    MATTER OF FACT EDIT: Me and FinD had the first 3 of first 5 posts in this thread replying to 23 before you chimed in your first thoughts, in which 3 people continually argued with your flawed logic, and still do even until this point. Just to set your record straight. So I gues 3 people painted you "in a corner" and you're just in too deep now to admit you might have been wrong.
     
  16. Bulldog

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    Why are you still arguing this? ;)

    The bolded and underlined is an example of you putting words into my mouth. Either that or it shows a lack of comprehension on your part.

    Once more, "really hoping" we get someone implies that you believe that person is a franchise type or great player. I asked if you were basing that on his two games because there really isn't much else. However, I've written all along that if the Dolphins do pick him up it will be because Philbin believes he has what it takes and if that happens of course there is more upside to him than any rookie we can get. However, we don't know that yet so "really hoping" we sign him is nothing better than a knee-jerk reaction based off of his 2 NFL games.
     
  17. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    That's funny you want to back up to facts, because I put out facts in another thread and it instantly means in your world that Flynn is garbage and hasn't done anything. I'll do it again:

    Fact: Matt Flynn in 2010 lit up the 30th ranked pass D in the New England Patriots

    Fact: Matt Flynn lit up the 22nd ranked pass D in Detroit.

    Fact: while those stats are impressive and warrant looking at Matt Flynn, we have to remind ourselves who those stats came against.

    We don't even know where Joe Philbin stands on Matt Flynn. Has he came out on the record and said anything to the effect that Matt Flynn is his guy?


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  18. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Now that's something that I'd like to hear. I think the big thing is that either he has been told to not speak or he's too timid to talk publicly about anything...I doubt it's the latter, but who knows. At this point, I am uncomfortable with this media lockdown that it appears Irish and Mr. Loss have installed at Davie...I understand that before FA started they couldn't say much, but now??
     
  19. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I don't think Philbin would say that about someone that's not on the team. His input would be behind the scenes because he's not going to compromise his boss' negotiations publicly.
     
  20. Bulldog

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    And that, again, is the key. WE, the fans, ALL of us, do not know what Philbin thinks of Flynn. If the Dolphins pick him up then we'll know. The opposite is also true...if the Dolphins pass on him then we'll know.

    And to Laces Out: Why would Philbin want to hype up Flynn i he wants him? Talking about Flynn in any way would complicate things. If he says he loves him more teams may give him a look thus driving up his price...if Philbin says he doesn't want him some will say he's bluffing and become interested and again, drive up his price or some teams will believe him and go after someone else that the Dolphins may want. The best thing to do is keep quiet until we get our guy.
     
  21. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I don't really want to keep bumping this meaningless derailed thread with replies, but i just thought i'd say that I would want Flynn with Philbins grace regardless of the 2 games, if they didnt exist i still would, he is a cog from that system... so why you still think im some gun-ho flynn fanboy because his 2 starts is beyond me. :lol:

    you cant submit a reply without quoting the "really hoping" he signs here thing..... that also amazes me.... I'd like him more than what else we have to choose from, nothing more nothing less. I don't care that much...... you are implying that i do so bad, when the context of that sentence was stressing more than i DONT like the other choices, rather than LOVE FLYNN SO MUCH (Which i dont really. ) we have stated his NFL time has relevance..... Idc if it was the worst defenses in the history of the NFL they still have SOME relevance... you can continue to say they have none, and assume that i think they mean SO MUCH (when I don't) it's cool. that is all.

    Since I have to correct/repeat myself for maybe the... 5th time now. so you can comprehend what im saying and not reply with 3 random blurts of sentence mixtures that have no value of reply-contribution to what i actually worded

    Flynn is a tool from Philbins system, I'd like him to be here with our HC's graces. His 2 nfl starts and some preseason time has some relevance when comparing him to fresh rookies, its a plus. although not a very huge one. 4 years in that system is the bigger plus, but i cant ignore the facts of his stats which were pretty impressive for 2 starts. nothing more nothing less. Id much rather agree to disagree at this point, because i see him signing here and i think itll be pretty irrelevant
     
  22. Bulldog

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    I'm glad I have helped change your mind. This last post of yours is exactly what I've been saying this entire thread. ;)
     
  23. dWreck

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    You have been saying that all thread? You say that but this was your OPENING SENTENCE in this thread:
    That is wrong, still. lol. Obviously you are entitled to your opinion, but you don't want to deal with being left at JUST that, thats why we are still talking now. Go read the pages yourself. You said that,then me and dup both heartily disagreed and that is when you went off on different confusing replywalls that held no weight or context. Each one trying to elaborately explain why I am wrong, and why i'm all of a sudden obsessed with Flynn


    This entire thread you have been saying that I "must want Flynn so bad" and stressing its due to the fact that I really really "hope" he signs here. repeatedly. Which is pretty incorrect because its taken more out of context than anything.............. That and arguing of the significance of his 2 starts which mean more than nothing. Because they really do.

    Changed my mind? (what?) No.
    Confused me? More and more with each reply
     
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  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Yes, two NFL teams that are full of college all-stars.

    Of course it is not a given that he is going to be a good NFL quarterback, still just because the defenses he went against weren't the best doesn't mean those games aren't useful for analysis. They are much more useful than all of his college tape.

    I am not keen on giving Flynn a Kolb contract. I would love it if Miami gets him, he gets more of a prove it contract that pays him lots of money if he is a sucessful quarterback.
     
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  25. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    Do you read whole posts? Or do you find words to just latch onto that don't fit your opinion?

    Read the italicized part....I never said they aren't useful for analysis, in fact I said the complete opposite. I said they are impressive stats and warrant a look.


    So....to sum it up AGAIN:

    Matt Flynn has had some success against teams in the NFL. That limited success warrants Miami looking into acquiring Matt Flynn. That success also needs to be taken with a grain of salt because it was done against bad defenses.
     
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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Then you should take my post as I was agreeing with you rather than just assuming I am bringing up a counter point.
     
  27. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    You mean this?

    .

    Unless that was completely tongue-in-cheek, what person wouldn't take that as a counter point? :confused2:
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Do you read whole posts? Or do you find words to just latch onto that don't fit your opinion?
     
  29. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    Just following your lead.....


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  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If you do the same thing, why ask me the question?
     
  31. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    are Philbin/Flynn the new Sparano/Henne?
    is Hicks the new Columbo & now Marshall?:sad:
     
  32. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    I say we better test drive this one. If he will come in at a decent price he could be the next Drew Breeze for Miami without the injury. PLUS this lets the draft help solidify the team.
     

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