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many will blame Ross & Ireland if we lose Manning

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    So your evidence is C'mon now? Joe Philbin worked with Matt Flynn for 4 years and Flynn is at the age where he doesn't sit on the bench. If Philbin thinks he's a winner, what would be the reason for pursuing Manning other than superficially to please fans?
     
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  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    With all due respect to Joe Philbin, its not his job to decide whether Flynn is a better option than Manning. His job is to give Jeff Ireland/Stephen Ross his opinion on Flynn's ability. Thats really all he has the expertise to do. He hasn't worked with all the other options available at QB.
     
  3. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    I myself, would rather have Flynn then Manning. I am just comparing now what people are saying that now its apparent Manning is not interested in Miami. Its unreal to believe that your QB is not going to take dozens of good shots during a season, regardless of who the Oline is. IMO, Manning may be able to throw the ball from the video taken but can he take a hit ? Not many IMO. he has a plate screwed onto his back holding two verterbrae together. That plate is held on by 4 tiny screws.

    Just saying, thats all. You and I both know it would be Ross and Ireland pursuring Manning, not Philbin. Its already proven it no longer matters in Miami what the HC wants.
     
  4. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    On January 6, 2011 Mortensen reports that “sources” are telling him that Stephen Ross, Jeff Ireland and Carl Peterson are headed to the west coast to offer Jim Harbaugh between $7-8M to coach the Dolphins. That would have made Harbaugh the highest paid coach in the league. It was later confirmed Petersen was not on the flight.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5993761

    Then there’s the Jeff Fisher thing. The Rams were the out of the gate favorite to land Fisher for many reasons. And then out of nowhere, Schefter reports his “sources” lead him to believe Miami has become a favorite to land the coach and as the wait drags on he insists Fisher in not leveraging one team against the other and his decision is strictly a best fit decision.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7455806/jeff-fisher-delay-choosing-miami-dolphins-st-louis-rams-not-leverage-play-source-says

    Now we have Peyton Manning. For weeks Mortensen and Schefter have been reporting the Dolphins as the front runner to land the prized FA QB. And now it appears the same problems that drove away Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher have turned Manning off as well..

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/miami-media-circus-may-make-manning-wary-of-dolphins/

    Excuse me! What problems exist today that didn’t exist on Tuesday? A media circus?

    Why on earth would these guys be reporting things that, in hind sight, don’t seem to have any basis in fact?

    I smell a rat and his name is Bill Parcels.
     
  5. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    IMO this is the type of thinking and language that leads to fan-victims. My guess is Harbaugh didn't "reject" Miami. Harbaugh accepted and offer from the 49ers who were better able to meet Harbaughs's wants of being close to where he lived so he wouldn't have to relocate, had a solid foundation of young and talented players, and played in the weakest division in football. As a fan I can take the victim approach or not. The victim approach is that Harbaugh "rejected" Maimi and there is something wrong with Ross and Ireland. When in fact, Harbaughh may have been very tempted by the Dolphins offer, but Miami was not willing to relocate the city on the West Coast and can do nothing about the division they play in.

    The same is true for Fisher. It sounded as if Fisher was very interested in Miami. But Fisher "chose" to go to a team that offered him final say in personnel moves. This is not a "rejection" of Miami, but an "acceptance" of an offer that better fit his wants.

    Perhaps the same will be true of Manning. Maybe Miami is only #2 or #3 on his list. But Miami is not able to offer Manning the cap space to bring in his buddies or the ability to play in what may now be the one division without a strong team in it. Miami can't offer to move the Patriots or the Jets out of the division if he signs or create $43 million in cap space that just isn't there. So I get to choose to be a fan-victim and say Manning "rejected" Miami so Ross and Ireland suck...blah, blah, blah or I can just accept that Manning chose an offer from a team that better suited his wants, whatever those are.

    It is similar to fans thinking a team sucks b/c they lost the Super Bowl...yet, only 2 teams out of 32 are able to get to the Super Bowl.
     
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  6. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    To answer the question I wont blame Peyton Manning if he doesn't come here. He's a quiet guy...Who the hell wants to live in that circus of a town Miami? I hate that city myself having been there many times.
    Thing is we drove Manning away with the billboards, and the helicopters, and all the media crap.

    What I do blame Ireland and Ross for is continuing to sit on their arses and do nothing in their power to go out and actually make atleast one part of this team dominant.
    -I mean we don't deal for the 2nd pick which is something I really thought we should have done-
    -We look to have lost steam in the Manning race-
    -We wont sign any other dominant available players like a Mario Williams-
    -We draft crappy every year-

    Same old crap..
     
  7. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    You have to think that if Joe Philbin says Matt Flynn will give us 10 years of elite QB play, they'd put that ahead of Manning's possible 3-4.
     
  8. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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  9. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    There's almost always another choice or another option. The fact that Harbaugh, Fisher, or maybe Manning chose another option doesn't make it any less of a rejection. If a pitch is made and the answer is no - it's rejection.

    Now I get what you're saying. As fans, playing victim doesn't get us anywhere. We have no control over the outcome. But can a fan be angry if the reason these rejections are happening is the front office? Sure. Whether that's the case with Harbaugh, Fisher, or Manning I'm not sure. I'll reserve judgement till more information comes out. Maybe we'll never know the full truth.

    We're probably just going to have to hope that the Dolphins second choices end up being better than the first.
     
  10. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy



    By pitch do you mean interview? If so, I disagree completely.

    What if not coming to terms just means you’re not as impressed as you though you’d be? I read reports that H Wayne came away from the initial Cameron interview scratching his head. I also recall reading Mike Tomlin impressing everyone in the room. So, instead of using the new information to form an educated decision he went with his preconceptions and made a terrible choice. I guess you’re right though; at least they didn’t get rejected.
     
  11. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    Ross and Ireland have said nothing, what we are seeing is ALL hype from the NE/ESPN based media. The are leading us all around by the nose and pointing to our FO as the culprit and we as a fan base are buying 100%. This is all speculation and fact bending and manipulation on the part of the media. We are such a crappy organization and the attention is square on us but yet the Saints are about to be slammed by Goodell for their bounties, teams are being punished for cheating the cap, the Jets and Patriots get caught cheating etc., etc,.... and our organization is the joke of the league because we jumped the gun on Harbough (who wasn't coming here anyway) Fisher played us for a bonanza ST Louis and now with the possibility we don't land the sure thing PM...

    All this hype about us being all in hasn't come from our organization but the media. All the hype about us being 95% the leader in all the Manning crap came from the media. All this crap about us being no longer considered by PM is all from the media. All this crap about us now being allowed a meet with PM is from the media. Until I hear it from the organization in the form of a press release or press conference I will hold judgment until then.
     
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  12. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    lol ...and because they say so it must be so...
     
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  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :lol: That was my reaction to his source.
     
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  14. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I doubt Ireland and Ross are well respected compared to other owners/GM's in the NFL. The Dolphins are not a destination...they're down at the bottom of the totem pole compared to where they were from the 70s-90s.

    All eyes are on Philbin now to try and turn it around and bring respect to what has become a s*** organization on the level of the Browns. I'm keeping expectations low considering all the "saviors" that have come here to try and replace Shula and Marino at Coach and QB respectively...and all have failed...some in miserable fashion. Oh well.
     
  15. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    So if I understand the logic, because Ross didn't land a few big names all of a sudden there is something wrong with him? Could it just be like others have said that....hey there are other teams that at times can offer more than we can. Not everyone in the world has aqua sunglasses on all the time like us.

    A good comparison. Walk up to three random girls you think are attractive and ask for their number. If all three reject you does it mean there is something horribly wrong with you?
     
  16. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I read some of them and today their wires were exposed. The puppets masters worked them so blatantly that any rational person should see them as nothing more than incompetent toadies. If only Sean Smith could back peddle as impressively as Mort and Schefter did this afternoon on Sportcenter.
     
  17. MAFishFan

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    could it be Ross and Ireland? sure. It also could not be them. Could be that Denver has more money, plays in an easier division, he has connections there, same as with Arizona. There's a thousand factors. He'll interview with Tennessee. He's rumored to interview with Houston. Houston is a stronger team. Who knows why he'll choose any team. My concern is them dicking around with Manning and Flynn looking elsewhere. And that's not to say Flynn is the answer either. As manic as this is making me, Miami will get a QB. It maybe be Tannehill. It may be Weeden. It may be Osweiller. They do have to address it at somepoint. The only way this looks terrible is it their answer to the QB situation is if someone is taken in the very late rounds of the draft. If Tannehill is there at 8 and they want him, just take him already. I don't see him going earlier than 8, especially if Cleveland grabs Flynn.
     
  18. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    The thing is if we want Flynn I guarantee he is ours.

    If you are Flynn why would you want to go to Cleveland or Seattle when in Miami you have:

    1) The same/very similar offense to what you've been studying as a backup your whole career.
    2) A top LT protecting your blindside
    3) Brandon Marshall to catch your passes
    4) Reggie Bush in the backfield as well as catching passes

    Flynn is not proven. He wants the payday, but Im also 100% sure he wants the best situation to establish himself as a franchise QB for future paydays.
     
  19. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    $$$$$$
     
  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I don't really buy that though. He will get paid roughly the same no matter where he goes. It is in his best interest to go somewhere to put himself in position for success so that he can make FRANCHISE money rather than just above average QB money.
     
  21. PhinsRDbest

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    I know, I was just saying that would be the only reason Flynn may choose to go to another franchise.
     
  22. PhinsRDbest

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    All 3 teams are not that far off, with the exception of Seattle playing in an easier division. Cleveland not really having a good rb. Miami might have a slight edge in defense on both, but who knows what the effects of losing Langford and Soliai and a year older Starks, Wake, Dansby, and Bell will be.
     
  23. PhinsRDbest

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    As for the Dolphins FO and blame. I don't mind them losing out on Manning, they have other options. I don't mind any of : Peyton Manning, Matt Flynn, Ryan Tannehill, and Brandon Weeden. But if they fail to acquire one of the four mentioned they deserve all the flack in the world.
     
  24. Mike80

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    If the Miami Dolphins come out of this offseason totally empty handed then I will blame Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland.
     
  25. Bulldog

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    If the Dolphins don't land Manning I'll blame one person.

    Peyton Manning.

    He will decide where he goes based on his opinions and his subjective evaluations of the teams he's visited. He will choose the team that best fits his needs and wants. He will pick only one team. That doesn't make the teams he doesn't choose bad or wrong. It just means that one team fit him the best. There's nothing the other teams can do about that.

    The Dolphins are in an exciting time right now. We have a lot of parts in place, but we are also missing a few key pieces. QB is obviously one of those. Manning knows this and if he doesn't pick Miami it won't be because he doesn't like Ireland or Ross or Miami or Philbin or Marshall. Sure, those things matter, but they are far down the list and I doubt they matter enough to sway someone like Peyton Manning. The guy knows he will command, and receive respect anywhere he goes. It will be about winning, money, family, friends, and teammates before it's about any of these other trivial things I keep reading about.
     
  26. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Sure..it's the city...

    It's not like the basketball team didn't attract the best three free agents to sign here, or the baseball team then have a big splash of an off-season...

    trust me, the city is an asset. a HUGE ASSET.
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I don't think the city is a hindrance or an asset in any tangible way in general, because I think its based on what the targeted individual prefers. Some people just flat out hate Miami. Some people just flat out hate Manhattan.

    In this specific case, the city is an asset though, because Peyton actually has a home here.
     

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