POLL: Will you cry if Manning doesn't choose Miami?

The perception of the franchise is that they were rejected by those guys. When you have to court FAs and coaches that stuff matters.

 

lol

 

You are right it is too early to judge wins-losses if that is the criteria for a coach being a great hire.

I will say that when a coach comes into the interview process and lays down a 2" thick binder on coaching philosophies, leadership, plays, character, etc...then hires a staff around him that has proven to be competent, builds a healthy relationship with the media right away, talks about building a team the right way based on talent, character discipline and has the respect of every player and coach he has been associated with I will say at this point it is a great hire. As far as the wins-losses, time will tell.

It sure looks like a better hire than Fisher would have been. Fisher probably would have brought Williams in as the DC and is about to serve a suspension of perhaps up to a year? Somehow, I get the sense the same fans that say Ross can't miss b/c he missed on Fisher would be the same ones calling Ross an idiot and he made another blunder by hiring Fisher right now.

This idea that signing a 36 year old QB coming off quadruple neck surgery is the answer to turning this franchise around is a bit naive imo. Manning looked to be declining in 2010...the Colts went from 14-2 in 09 to 10-6 in 10. Manning's QB rating of 91.9 was his lowest in a decade. His 6.9 ypa was his lowest since his rookie year. As good as Manning "was" and I have always been a fan of his, anyone that thinks we are getting the Manning that won the Super Bowl with the Colts is somewhat delusional. Signing Manning, at best, is a quick, short-term fix that would likely leave Miami cap strapped and needing to rebuild by year 2014 or 2015. No thanks, I'll pass.

On the other hand, Flynn has shown he can excel in the WCO or whatever the system will be referred to as and is a leader at QB. I think turning the fanbase and returning the Dolphins to their rightful place of having a winning record year-after-year is accomplished by doing just what our new HC says his philosophy is...getting young, talented, high-character players and teaching them the right way to play allowing them to develop into a team built around winning systems. This for me is the way to go. Now that would put butts in the seats, putting a product on the field that consistently wins.

You say you can't see Flynn being a future star, but you can see Manning being a future star? The guy is 36 years old, has played in the NFL for 13 (14 counting last year) years and is coming off quadruple neck surgery. Manning was an NFL star and a big one at that, but he hardly looks to be a future star himself.

 

Yeah, I will cry, kick n scream a little. But I sure a hell hope there is something else in the pipe for us.

PM here next year, like as if he could not lick his chops. We get to play his old division this year, add in a nice bunch of linear inter-conference 3rd place matchups, and the gem of playing the weakest division of all football in the NFC. Dude could do some serious facking damage and quite serious SET the passing record again.

 

Only to people who are too obtuse to see all sides.

 

It looks like he is going to get tons of money up front without anyone watching him throw.

I am going to move on quickly if Miami doesn't get Manning.

 

So if I understand this logic correctly potential FAs and coaches would play out like this...

FA or coach to Ireland/Philbin/Ross: Thank you for the offer. I love the city of Miami, the ocean is great and the chicks are hot, the coaching staff assembled looks top-notch, the systems in place and the players currently on the roster are winners. However, Harbaugh turned you down to go to a young and talented team that was just a short distance from where he already lived on the West Coast, you wouldn't give Fisher final say on the roster and left that to the GM and Manning decided to go with Denver who is $40 million under the cap and was able to offer a huge contract and bring in Peyton's old buddies (or KC who is $38 million), so I am going to have to tell you "no" as well.

Honestly, I just don't follow that logic. What am I missing?

 

Not signing Peyton would be sadder than an ASPCA commercial. I have a Sarah McLaughlin playlist at the ready if it doesn't happen.

 

Being a Dolphin fan, the last few years prepared me for this moment when Peyton goes somewhere else...so no I will not cry.

 

I think Manning would add a degree of excitement to some of these games - so in that regard I'd be upset. I'd be more upset if we don't exit this off season with a legitimate long term answer at the QB position (Tannehill?).

 

I have a lot more faith in Manning because I have observed his play over the last 14 years. As far as a decline in the Colts record from 2009 to 2010, did you notice what the Colts record was this year when Manning didn't play a game? Just maybe the reason the Colts record was not as good in 2010 as it was in 2009 was because the players around Manning weren't very good. The fact that the Colts won 10 games with those players should show what a great QB Manning really is. Manning was also suffering from his neck injury during the 2010 season and yet he played in every game and a lousy Colts team still won those ten games. How many games do think the Colts would have won with Flynn as the Colts starting QB this past year or in 2010. I don't think they would have won very many games either year with Flynn as the Colts QB.

Yes, I have a great deal more faith in Manning going forward than I do in Flynn. I think if Manning goes to another team and Flynn is signed by the Dolphins, the team which gets Manning will be far more successful over the next few years than the Dolphins will be. The fact that you think a player who has started TWO games in the NFL in the last four years will come in and turn this franchise around is what I call naive. You like Flynn, and I don't, that is what these forums are all about.

In regards to Philbin over Fisher, I preferred Fisher and I still prefer Fisher. I have absolutely nothing against Philbin and I hope he is a huge success. I just don't know what type of head coach he will turn out to be and the fact he had a 2" binder on coaching philosophies is totally irrelevant to me. The fact that he is 50 years old and this is his first chance at being a head coach at any level makes me question, if he is such a great head coaching prospect, why wasn't he hired as a head coach somewhere, before now? This doesn't mean that he won't turn out to be a very good head coach, but it certainly doesn't lead me to believe he is the great hire you seem to think he is.

If the Dolphins don't get Manning and they sign Flynn instead, this certainly will not make me give up on being a Dolphin fan. All it will do is lower my expectations for the Dolphins in the next few years, or until the Dolphins can actually find a real franchise QB for the organization. After the last decade, I have become accustomed to being disappointed by the Dolphin organization and missing out on Manning and instead signing Flynn would just be another major disappointment IMO.

 

It is what it is and more opportunities will follow.

I'm glad I have had the pleasure of watching this team win a SB because it MIGHT be what makes it a tad easier to swallow.

 

I will say that if Flynn was the starting QB for the Colts over the past two years the Colts would have won a lot more games than the "10 games" that Peyton won for them out of 33 games. In 2010 Peyton was working with a solid core group of players...31 year old Wayne, 30 year old Clark (did get hurt), Garcon, Collie. I would say more talent on offense than the Dolphins had in 2010.

Part of the problem making the team mostly about one player is when the player goes down it affects the energy of the whole team. When the Colts played with an old, unprepared Collins and Painter they were 0-11, but when they played with Orlovsky last year they went 2-3 against a 5 game schedule consisting of NE, Baltimore, Houston, Tennessee, and Jax...so who knows how many wins the Colts would have had with a halfway decent QB playing all year long.

Almost humorous when fans say Flynn only played TWO games while ignoring he led his team to a National Championship in college, developed for "4 years" in the best system in the NFL at developing QBs, was personally trained under Philbin those 4 years and during those only TWO games Flynn started the Packers scored 72 points while he threw for 731 yards and 9 TD passes which means it is the best TWO game start in the "history" of the NFL.

Philbin certainly didn't put together the binder to impress you or me. He did it to make sure he was prepared when given the opportunity to become a HC. Two guys that were impressed according to media was Ross and Ireland. To impress those two guys during an interview is something! As for not getting his shot as a HC earlier I recall an article when he was hired when he responded a question of that nature Philbin stated something to the effect that his father taught him to just work hard and things would take care of themselves. IMO Philbin is just a humble guy who works his *** off and finally got his due.

I agree with "...that is what these forums are about," as people are entitled to their misguided opinions about Flynn ... Of course, time and circumstances will tell, but with Manning at QB chances are likely Miami brings in Saturday, Wayne, Clark (?) and the Dolphins get old real quick and will likely have to go through a rebuilding in two years. With Flynn Miami has a chance to be legit for 10 or so years...

 

You think highly of Flynn and I don't. Actually I could care less what he did at LSU. If you remember, JaMarcus Russell also played at LSU at the same time Flynn did and Russell was the starter. Russell was also selected first overall in the NFL draft and how did that work out? Flynn may or may not end up being a decent QB in the NFL. No one really knows at this time. I just don't see him being able to do for the Dolphins what Manning could do over the next few years. Also, are you sure that Philbin has the same high regard for Flynn which you do? If he thinks so highly of Flynn, perhaps he should go to the owner and tell him to forget about Manning and just concentrate on signing Flynn. Until Philbin actually states that he wants Flynn to be the Dolphins QB, your assumption that Philbin thinks as highly of Flynn as you do is merely a guess on your part.

As far as the Dolphins signing a lot of the older Colts if Manning signs with the Dolphins. That is quite an assumption on your part. How exactly do you know that the Dolphins are going to use their cap money to bring in these players? Has Manning told you that he will only come here if the Dolphins agree to sign these former Colts? The reality is that if the Dolphins sign Manning, it will cost them nothing but the money they sign him for. The Dolphins will still have all their draft picks they have now and it is through these draft pick that the Dolphins will continue to get younger, not older as you suggest.

In regards to the hiring of Phibin, Ross and Ireland were so impressed by their interview of Philbin that they waited for over a week after interviewing him, while Fisher decided between the Dolphins and the Rams, before they hired him. If he was that impressive, it would seem that Ross would have just told Fisher they were no longer interested in him and that they had found the coach they wanted to hire. I have nothing against Philbin. I hope as much as you do that he is a huge success with the Dolphins. I just don't buy into all these people who now see him as a great hire because he had a 2" binder and he appears to be a humble guy. I will judge him the same way I judge every other HC in the NFL, on his win-lost record. Since that presently is 0-0, I will just wait and see how the Dolphins play under his leadership before I start comparing him with the greatest head coaches in the history of the NFL. The fact is that Philbin didn't become this great hire until after Fisher decided he wanted to become the Rams head coach instead of the Dolphins HC.

As you stated, we are all entitled to our own misguided opinions in regards to players, coaches and anyone else associated with the game of football. I welcome your misguided opinions and I look forward to reading more of them in the future.

 

I just want to see Peyton pay tribute to Dan late in the 4th coming out of the huddle, lining up under center and licking those fingers before he drives it down the field for the win.

 

We sign Manning, WE'RE GOING TO THE F*CKING SUPER BOWL.


We don't, he was gonna suck anyways.

 

I would Drink, and Drink HEAVILY........

 

Yup.

Sorry....but I want #18 here. It will be a quick cry...and Ill be fine when we draft Tannehill or Weeden.

But...Im all in for Peyton.

 

The conversation took a turn for the absurd by comparing Russell with Flynn. Russell didn't lead LSU to the National Championship and he turned out to be a lazy drug addict. They do something in the NFL called drug testing for which Flynn has never come up dirty. Know one knows how Flynn will work out, no one also knows how a 36 year old QB coming off quadruple neck surgery will work out. But I do like the let's pretend Flynn didn't show that he belonging despite have the greatest two game start in NFL history when playing and let's pretend Peyton is the same QB of old.

You and I have no idea what has been said between Philbin and Ross. He may have stated his opinion and it may be that he wants Flynn. No one knows but them. Philbin did say he hadn't talked with Manning yesterday so it doesn't sound like he was beating down the door to get in touch with Manning and convince him to come to Miami. He didn't give Manning much of an endorsement at all yesterday when asked about him.

If you think Manning would sign with Miami and be alright with the holes on the OL and subpar group of WRs OK, whatever...I would bet Manning would sign an incentive laden contract, demand certain players be signed as well (Wayne, Saturday) which he will have to power to do if a club wants to sign him and if Manning does hit the incentives it would likely put the team over the cap which the team has to deduct from the salary cap the following year...hello, salary cap hell. So if you and others get there wish and Manning has a good two year career in Miami then Miami becomes old and limited options due to lack of cap space. Let's see, how many years has Miami been trying to build through the draft since the Cameron days? 4 and counting.

So you say you reserved judgement until after the win-loss record, but Fisher also would have a 0-0 record with Miami, but somehow you judge that he would have been a better hire...confusing. Pretty sure Fisher wouldn't have been able to bring his wins as a HC with the Titans to Miami with him. Good guess the holdup was Ross delaying a decision b/c of his obsession with bringing in "names" which doesn't guarantee anything.

We shall see. Like you said this is what the forum is about...I sure hope Philbing/Flynn get to prove me right or wrong on the field of play.

 

Obviously you and I are never going to agree on this Manning vs Flynn situation. I can accept that and I just hope that we never have to see Flynn as the starting QB for the Dolphins.

As far as comparing Philbin and Fisher. Your argument that Fisher would be 0-0 as the Dolphins HC seems to totally discount the fact that Fisher actually has a history as a HC in the NFL. Where as Philbin doesn't have a record as a HC at any level of football. Unless of course he actually was the HC of his son's peewee football team at one time. I have no idea if Fisher would have been a better hire than Philbin, but Fisher was the coach I wanted the Dolphins to hire. I had never even heard of Philbin before his name came up as a possible candidate for the job.

With the great trade Fisher made with the Redskins, I have no doubt the Rams will be the superior team to the Dolphins in a few years, especially if Flynn is the QB of the Dolphins. I agree that bringing in a "name" coach doesn't guarantee anything, but bringing in a HC who has never held this position before is certainly no guarantee of success either.

As I have stated numerous times, I want Philbin to be a success because he is now the HC of the team I love. If the Dolphins do happen to sign Flynn and not Manning, I will not root against Flynn being a success. just so I will be right and you will be wrong. I want the Dolphins to once again become a winning organization, no matter who the HC and QB of the team are. I just don't have confidence at this time that Flynn will be anything but the next Kevin Kolb and I will wait and see if Philbin will turn out to be the great hire you seem to think he will be.

I will have no problem telling you that you were right and I was wrong if Flynn and Philbin bring success back to this organization. Of course I will also not be the least bit surprised if Philbin has absolutely no interest in the Dolphins signing Flynn. Philbin would obviously have to be the person to convince Ross to spend the millions of dollars it will take to sign Flynn in free agency. If Flynn is signed based on Philbin's recommendation and he comes to the Dolphins and is a big flop, Philbin is the person who will be looked at as the fall guy in that scenario. He will basically be putting his job on the line if he convinces Ross to spend all that money and Flynn doesn't become the QB you think he will.

I do agree with you in regards to Miami's OL being subpar at this point. I also expect the Dolphins to to use their first round pick to draft another offensive lineman if Manning does sign. I think the major weakness on the the line is on the right side and I think with the draft and free agency, the Dolphins will be able to resolve the problems with this side of the line.
As far as Miami not having a great group of receivers goes. Marshall is an outstanding receiver and he would be that much better with Manning throwing him the ball. Bess is also one of the top slot receivers in the NFL. Hartline is a so-so number two receiver but Manning has a history of turning so-so receivers into stars. When comparing the Dolphin receivers to the receivers on the Broncos and the Cardinals, I see only Fitzgerald who I would take over any of the receivers on the Dolphins. Neither the Cardinals or the Broncos have what you would call an outstanding group of receivers. If Manning is going to make his decision based solely on the team with the best corp of receivers, when it comes to comparing these three teams, it would be a no brainer that he would select the Dolphins.

Well time for me to put an end to this discussion. I have enjoyed it, even if we don't see eye to eye. Right now though, I have a tee off in one hour and and the golf course is the one place I don't worry about the Dolphins or anything else in my life. Well I do worry a little bit when it comes to making that 3-4 foot putt and a number of skins are on the line. Have a great day and I am sure we will find many other issues regarding the Dolphins to discuss in the future. Perhaps we will even find find something to agree on regarding the Dolphins. You never know.

 

yes but staring into your non baby blue eyes put it back together.........

 

If he was 27 and 100% healthy I'd be pissed but would not cry. Given his age an injury, I honestly could care less. I just want this over with.

 

I see what your problem is. You can't project anything. Matt Flynn has only started two games, therefore he can't be any good. And Matt Schaub, Matt Hasselbeck, and Mark Brunell weren't any good either as back ups going to teams to become a starter.

 

That's harsh, but true of most fans. They don't evaluate skills and project them to a new team or level. Most fans just read stats and assume the stats will be the same on a new team. I really believe that most people just can't see enough to project anyways. I know I've met many scouts who I felt couldn't see anything either. Their skill set was in writing reports and never having too strong of an opinion. Amongst the media guys, there are only a few who are true evaluators who can project QBs. I may or always agree with all of them and they don't always agree amongst themselves, but they're at least looking at and able to see the skills.

 

Only way I will cry is if the headline reads: "Manning signs contract in Denver, Tebow headed to Dolphins for #8 draft pick"

 

I voted "No", but I didn't consider tears of joy.

 

why would anyone cry over something this silly and i thought peyton manning to miami was a done deal? oh it wasnt? must be that bad reporting.

 

It's certainly not worth crying over whether you wanted him here or not.

 

Who said that Peyton to Miami was a done deal? In fact, everybody is waiting for a piano to fall on our heads....again.

 

I`m trying to remain confident but I`ll admit I`m glancing up every now and then to avoid any oncoming Steinway`s.

 

Until we know if he is healthy of to play again its kind of hard to get excited about him coming here. If he lands here I will root for him but Im not gonna cry if we pass on him or he passes on us.

 

Ouch! That would hurt a bunch.

 

No crying here, lets just get this OVER WITH NOW!!!!!

 

2 starts in 4 years is not a good option. I rather take another chance at a rookie if we want to travel into the unknown.

 

He was behind Aaron Rogers. Of course Green Bay isnt gonna start him.

 

I voted no. I won't shed a single tear. Manning is way past his prime and his contract will count heavily towards the salary cap.

 

Ross is the owner...he doesn't get a 'tipping point'. We have to live with him, period. It could be worse...I mean we could be Dallas or Colts fans... So. Fla. is just used to having owners that did not interfere with the football folks like Ross has.

I've said all along, I just don't trust that Manning will be the Manning we've seen in the past when he comes back, so I won't lose any sleep over this, unless it affects our ability to shore up the position with other options...

I think that Miami has to have an answer from Manning before FA begins or they will be on Flynn's doorstep by 4:01pm today. I think Philbin/Ross/Ireland have to explore the Manning possibility, even tho it appears there is not much response from Manning towards us to this point. Manning will make his decision on his time, but I think Miami HAS to make it's decision on IT's time...

 

Not Hardly!

 

Hell no.