For once in a long time, i believe the stars have lined up in the dolphins' favor. For way too many reasons to get into (and most are on other posts), i believe that dolphins are the leading team to get Manning. Mr Ross/Mr. Ireland, Please whatever you do Do not have your doctors check out his neck/arm. Do not't make him throw for you. Just, ask him to his face if he is healthy enough to play or will he be. He is an honest man who knows his body much better than any of our doctors do. He will give you a better answer than what you will see by watching him throw or what the doctors will report. This will be extremely impressive to Manning and will show that you trust him. You have to trust your starting QB and he is no ordinary QB. Manning knows he can get the money from someone, so he will have no reason to lie. Remember our doctors nailed it on Brees, didn't they?? We have everything he wants. The ball is in your hands. This is our 2012 Ssuperbowl and we are going to WIN!
You clearly don't know our Dear Owner and our Esteemed General Manager. The only question i want them to ask Manning is: "Peyton, is your momma a whore?"
Because asking if someones mother is a prostitute is way out if line when someone tells you there father was a pimp and their mother worked for him.
Since you came on this board you haven't made one positive comment, yeah I know the dolphins have made you pessimistic blah blah blah just like all of us we've been let down in the past, but would it kill you to be a little less hopeless about everything someone posts. And I think we have all had enough of the Ireland "whore" references about every player he talks to.
Manning has already said he will be healthy and will play in 2012. Pointless thread..... ADMIN EDIT: Rude, obtuse and not even on topic. Do better or abstain from participating in the thread.
We're staying on topic now. A someone who wants this to happen, I think it would be a mistake to pay a guy millions upon millions of dollars and simply take his word for it. We may not physically examine him. We may not insist that he throw. But at a minimum, medical research and consultations will need to be done. And personally, I'd need for him to throw so I could see where we are right now. I think that's more than fair. If he doesn't want to throw -- and the world knows he's been throwing, mind you -- then I think you pause. I have zero doubts that Peyton believes he'll play in 2012. But that doesn't make it so. Dan Marino was still confident during the 1999 season as his body finally fell apart, thanks to nerve damage (sound familiar?) and his legs being shot. That's what makes these guys so great; that supreme and unshakable confidence in themselves and their abilities.
I'm not pessimistic or hopeless. At this point I am just apathetic. Until they show me something different, i will remain stoic to every decision they take. But, you can never lose your sense of humor. Sarcasm works well.
Not at all. Millions of dollars at stake.and someone who could possibly come from that world its.completely in line
So you watch him throw and then what? Do your really think the Ross won't offer a contract? If he is unsure, ok then go through the motions. But I can assure you there are teams out there that are already "SURE". So they will sign him and we will save our money. I firmly believe that 70% Manning is better than anything we will have in the next three year. We should be developing a young QB while "GAMBLING" on Manning. Outside of the money, the down side is about the same.
I want to see him throw the full route tree, and then come back the next day and do it again. Manning has to prove that is he capable of still playing. It is never incumbent on a potential employer to assume that the person in consideration is fully capable of doing the job, it is the duty of the person who wants the job to prove he can do it. If he wants the money, and he wants to play, show that he still has what it takes. And 70% of anyone at 36 whose rehab is incomplete and is more than likely going to decline as the season progresses is sure as #&!! not going to better than a 75% of Manning younger draftee QB with his health and youth who will improve with coaching. That 70% stuff is better than anything we are going to have is udder bovine scatology even if you fudged the probability tables.
I would hope that we would investigate his health, if Manning is offended by that then he shouldn't sign here. I would love to see a healthy Manning play here for a couple of seasons but if we sign a broken down Manning without checking him out we would just be proving all of the media and fair weather fans that blast the FO right because we'd have a front office that is desperate and doesn't know what its doing.
Sorry Muck. Looked like it was established than Manning feels real good about playing in 2012. Thus the visits. Seemed redundant for a new Manning thread. No problems with the OP. Hopefully.
I like the fact that Ireland isn't politically correct and gets straight to the point. Why would you ask, "What does your mother do for your father?" when you could just ask, "So your mom is a prostitute?" Ireland is my type of man.
I can understand the OP's point, one I believe Ross identifies with, and views as a role which he appears to have placed upon himself to fulfill, as the good cop/ surrogate Irsay. Whatever the case, it allows Ireland to serve as bad cop, who follows the standard protocol, in conducting a thorough performance evaluation. A mere formality of course, but required of all players on the team. Nothing personal, its only business.
70% of the old Manning isn't even an NFL caliber QB...Maybe 95%...what separates Manning is his head. However, whether or not he throws, the question is where is he now and if he's only 70%, then he won't be landing on teams yet. Look, Manning will have no respect for Irish or Ross or Philbin if they don't do their due diligence with him. He won't sign here simply because Ross writes the biggest check because even Ross can't write a check that blows him out of the water compared to other teams, we still have fit him under the cap. He has other priorities...like winning football games. If our guys just schmooz him and don't ask the right questions of him, ask him to show his wares, talk with him about the right offense to run, about the weapons we have or may have, etc...he won't think twice about signing elsewhere... Whether we get this done or not won't necessarily be due to Ross not willing to pay or Ireland asking whether Peyton's neighbors great grand mother was a saloon girl...
Just heard Adam Schefter report on ESPN radio that neither the Broncos nor Cardinals were likely to make Manning work out. Sorry no link.
Call me crazy, but this is what I've been thinking as well. I think the team that lands Manning is the one that shows him trust. In other words, it's the owner/FO that says "we believe in you Peyton." So, if he says he's good to go (or will be) and they say OK, we don't need to see you throw or have you examined by team doctors. Let's just agree to a deal and get this thing going. I think that's what will win Peyton over. Just believe in him.
If we seriously sign Manning without thorough testing via medical examination and QB workouts, then we deserve whatever horrible season we may get as a result of it.
Blind optimism notwithstanding, it's over. The debate about "should we ask, should we test, investing $X millions ..." all mute. Manning will play another 2-3 years but it will not be with the Dolphins. The Dolphins don't know what they are doing and they instill zero confidence in Manning. Ross is just a horrific owner. Although I would not want to play for a team with Elway as the GM where he used to be the QB (just don't get that interest by Manning), and the chance to play with Fitzgerald & Wells is more appealing, imo, Denver does have a significantly stronger owner. Ross is in the bottom 5 owners in the league. That's enough to deter any QB expecting to play 2-3 yrs and have a shot at winning a SB.
