Yep. The type of surgery and problem that he has, combined with his age, and the fact that he has had multiple surgeries for the same problem with little to no response, he's simply not a good risk. But what do I know. I'm just a doctor.
http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=199809 But what does Dr. Parekh and Dr. Hsu know. They are just doctors.
Yes, doctors with an opinion just like everyone else in the board. From what I see , these two doctors were not agreeing with each other in terms of the prognosis for next year. No one has a crystal ball, and everyone has an opinion on the matter. And yes, even people with the same credentials can disagree with each other.
At this point, I think it's pretty clear that he will be playing in the NFL this year, and that he will likely be doing it in early September. Disabled people don't do that. Your first quote makes my argument just as much as it does yours. And Dr. Hsu is obviously taking the wait and see approach, like many on this forum (myself included) are. That's a far cry from dismissing him as disabled.
My opinion and these other doctors opinions are based on medical facts. You will not find a doctor who will tell you that Peyton Manning will definitely recover and become the player he was when he was 27. You also will not find one who is honest and will tell you that he can play as long as he wants to. But if your desire to get Peyton Manning's name in Miami makes you ignore the medical facts in this situation, so be it. Just admit that you are letting his name cloud your judgement.
Yet, even with the evidence based medicine they still disagree with the overall prognosis. It is not black and white as you make it out to be. Sorry.
I'm curious to see what you are going to say when, come training camp time, Peyton is cleared to practice just like he was this past year, and he leaves practice one day because he is having discomfort and tingling in his throwing arm. I wonder what is going to be said when the decreased range of motion in his neck causes him to not be quite as quick in making his reads on the field. I wonder what is going to be said when he shows inconsistent arm strength on a day to day basis. At least Stephen Ross will be happy. He will get some sell outs early on because of Manning's presence. That will be short lived when he plays like Dan Marino of 1999 though.
I will say that it's too bad it had to happen to someone like Peyton Manning. What are you looking for here? I've never said he will make a full recovery. At this point it looks more likely that he will be playing based on the comments of the people that are working out with him and the comments of the doctors who have done his surgeries and worked with his rehabilitation. If not, that's too bad. That's the risk. For like the 3rd time, I've never stated whether or not I want to sign Manning. I'd be excited, but still very on the fence. It's obviously a risk. You act like I'm the one that is entrenched on a side.
Or Carson Palmer. He will be 35 by the time Peyton is done. Another great, name brand short term option that allows Miami to continue to ignore the future of the position.
ONe take on football passing speed. http://www.livestrong.com/article/397904-maximum-speed-of-a-football/ Have no idea how scientific or reliable this may be. But 41 mph doesn't sound incredibly good to me. If Manning improves, so be it. I still have major league doubts.
That's likely a different figure than the one that CK calculated. As he mentioned, the average speed throughout the throw is lower than a radar gun would read.
These opinions seem to also be based on not all the facts. Maybe I'm biased because I want Manning to be 100% and here. Maybe I'm biased because my paralyzed father is proof doctors aren't always right. Who knows? However, I don't think its ridiculous to ask if you're biased too and that you're basing your prognosis on incomplete info and even if you had all the info, the things you're saying aren't guaranteed to be true.
Nobody, except Peyton's doctors and trainers, know exactly what is going on. People have recovered from this type of injury before, like Chris Weinke. And while I certainly have great respect for doctors, they are not infalliable, and I would think that until you've actually examined the patient, that it's not responsible to opine on a prognosis. when you go for a second opinion, the next doctor actually examines you and studies the charts and work of the previous doctors. He doesn't read media reports and mesh that with whatever his general knowledge is and then tell you what to do. Same with an attorney like me. I can give a general opinion on a case (and some law really is black or white) but until you know the specifics and see the documents, etc., you can't really give an opinion
