Unbelievable .... Shall we remind you once again of your track record for pronouncements that utterly fail? Saying you would not do something because it is your opinion is one thing , but to state absolutes like you have some unfailing history that makes paying attention warranted is preposterous.
So, then by all means, continue to support the signing of an injured, aging veteran at this position and the continued lack of attention this franchise has paid to the long term future of this position with their incessent desire to spend little and bring in washed up veterans as stop gaps.
Wow, I really enjoyed 08, but it absolutely pales in comparison to the early-to-mid Marino years, not even remotely close IMO. To be specific, the one s**t stomping of the patriots was one of the top 5 dolphins games of all time, the rest of the season was good-but-not-great.
You know we still got the 8th pick in the draft, with just a few glaring needs I dont see why we couldnt use that to get a Tannehill somehow and let Peyton groom him for the next few years.
That was a great day to be a Dolphins fan. [video=youtube_share;EYEmxO1xzF0]http://youtu.be/EYEmxO1xzF0[/video]
I get what your saying KB...and because you are a Doctor...its not like you are speaking out of your arse...... But...I know things happen all the time that contradict what may seem like medically sound information. Im sure youll agree....that he playing at a very high level the next few years....isnt medically impossible. But...I do respect your position.
So basically you are saying a somewhat healthy Peyton Manning leading the 2012 Phins are potentially worse than Mark Sanchez led teams that had the Jets in 2 AFC Championship games in the past 3 years. You really think our D is that bad and that Brandon Marshall and company are that poor that Manning can't at least exceed or equal his last few seasons on the now exposed Colts? I'd be glad (actually won't be glad) to admit I was wrong if we bring Manning to Miami and it fails... Will you if he succeeds?
I'm more blunt. Don't even consider Manning. That is putting a 36 year old band aid on a two+ decade old problem. Rent-a-quarterback historically does not work because it takes more than one year, more like two-three to get the team in synch with the new system. (By 'in synch' I mean more than just intellectual understanding of what the play call is, but the muscle memory of what must happen on that call to make it really work, which is a whole nuther ball game - if you're thinking about it you're not doing it!!) So, on top of the inherent risk in taking ANY 36 year old QB, there is the additional risk of taking one that has a potentially significant career debilitating, if not ending, injury which is only now beginning to respond to FOUR surgeries, who runs a system that will not be fully understood for the better part of the first year he is on the field - if that? It makes perfect sense to me - if one allows oneself to wallow in desperation instead of think things through. My take.. Keep Moore for at least four more years. Draft Tannehill at #8, and bite the bullet. We have been waiting for a chance to draft a quarterback with at least a long ranging shot of becoming a franchise QB for a long, long, long time. This might be the closest we get for another long, long, time (specially of all of the over stimulated highly over optimistic [in my opinion] folk are at least correct in the assumption the Manning can help us win more games, which drops us in the middle of the pack at best for drafts over the next several years!) We have a QB on the roster now who has shown more than anyone (other than Pennington) since Marino departed. We have a middling good draft pick. There is a QB there who can become far better than anything we have had since Marino (Lucas, Feeley, Culpepper anyone?) And we have a team that is stocked with a goodly amount of talent, is still mainly young, and which can be maintained if not improved it we don't fool ourselves into squandering umpteen thousand points worth of picks from the draft table to move up to draft one player who may or may not be any better in the long run than the one we can draft NOW at #8, or, unimaginably worse, wasting three years in the (IMO) absolutely impossibly hopeless fantasy that a 36 year old injured quarterback can catch fire in a bottle again!!
Or, we can draft another failed QB and suffer through another 4 years of growing pains. Or perhaps we can sign FA Flynn and suffer through 3 seasons of hell. How would you like to be a Jets, Chiefs or Arizona with several more years invested in watching your QB fail? At this juncture if you can get a somewhat healthy Manning and hedge your bet with either the continual development of Moore, or doubling down Parcell's style and drafting a Tannehill in the 1st, then I say go for it. I'm all in.
This is the only thing that scares me about signing Manning. The only way to do this correctly is if they're willing to take a Qb in this draft. Tannehill would be the absolute best scenario due to the fact that he looks like he could be special but imo, he needs some grooming. Or sign Manning and draft Weeden and I'm one happy camper. BUT what I don't want is to wait 3-4 years to become a contender. We've sucked for too long as it is...
So you're saying that Payton is going to want to be the starting Qb and have his choice of who gets drafted? I highly doubt this
A thought to be washed up Qb could also win you a Super Bowl. See Brees I don't have a real opinion on Manning at this point either. Just pointing out what happened in the same season with these two
We still need a pass rusher badly though. If we sign Manning, I would be ok with passing on a QB to get a pass rusher.
It is so unlikely that it isn't worth the time that will be spent to build this team to win now, the money that will be spent to do so, and the missed opportunity to develop this team around a young quarterback and build a team that can sustain success over a long period of time.
Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, and any other older free agent that Peyton wants around him that will ultimately do little more than arrest the development of younger players on the team at their position. Plus, there is no such thing as a salary cap friendly deal with Peyton Manning, because all of his incentives will likely be considered LTBE, which means they count against the cap.
All speculation until it happens when it comes to Wayne and Saturday. The FA WR group looks big enough and we obv have two great targets for Manning in Marshall and Bess. I highly doubt Saturday comes in and takes Pouncey's spot either. It counting against the cap is one thing, but if it doesn't work out w/Manning we cut him fast and don't lose much. If he can play we'll know fast. Idk how you act like it stifles us for so long. This year we might pass on Tanny and Flynn. Ok, that's it. We'll know after this season what we have w/Manning.
If Manning is healthy and ends up here you have to go get Wallace. Load up bro. Future gets put on the back burner..... That's the rub.
By passing on Flynn and Tannehill, you are basically dooming yourself long term at the position. Peyton is a 2-3 year guy at best, and Miami will not be poor enough to take a Matt Barkley in the draft. So, by passing on those two, you have probably just set the future of this position back several years, as it will probably take that long to get the next guy. I guess I keep forgetting that the presence of Peyton Manning is going to osmotically create a franchise passer out of a 7th round pick or a UDFA.
I support the exploration of whether Miami should make an attempt to sign him , which is different than what you just said I support . I also , and correct me if I am wrong , have suggested that if it was my decision and my scouts and Sherman thought Tannehill was a QB that should take Miami to a Super Bowl(s) I would use pick 8 on him . I take it that is addressing the QB of the future in an assertive positive way. I also believe I was one of if not the first person to state this course of action as a legitimate possibility. I look at both short and long term solutions and again IF Peyton , who btw contrary to your opinion does indeed have a MUCH better than a less than 1% chance to ever play again has shown sufficient progress and the actual medical staff gives a positive recommendation , then you make the offer you are comfortable with. So , how is it I am not being prudent again? I am not the one letting personal bias interfere with astutely managing this football team .
lol I guess I keep forgetting the guy who's played 1 game and the guy who's played none were home-runs. Funny bc Flynn will probably cost just as much if not more than Peyton and Tannehill would set us back even further with the time invested.
Now you're grasping at straws. Reggie Wayne would be cool though. I'm pretty sure any LTBE insentives are based on 2011 productivity and Manning had zeroes across the board.
The Dolphins can push hard for Manning but I think he'll take Arizona over Miami. Better WR; Great Weather (less humid); great stadium and fan support when winning; and other than 49ers, weak division.
The only people grasping at straws are those that believe Peyton will return and play like he never had an injury and will be the same Peyton Manning that he was at the age of 27. It's also grasping at straws to believe that Miami will sign Peyton Manning and then use their first round pick on a young quarterback to prepare the position for the future. That's what they should do if they go that route, but they won't go that route because they will be in win now mode.
Your support of signing Peyton Manning, or this idea that due diligence can even be done makes you miss out on younger, healthier options. You don't see it that way, which I find mind boggling, because the only way you do due diligence on Peyton Manning is by monitoring what little progress he is making right now and then wait till he is 100% to sign him instead of putting blind faith into the idea that he's going to beat the odds because of his name. And by doing that, you miss out on signing the younger, healthier options and do not address the long term future at this position. You are whislting dixie if you think Miami will draft a quarterback in the first round after signing Peyton Manning, no matter what they feel about Ryan Tannehill. They WILL draft someone that can help now, leaving the future of this position in doubt for a few more butts in the seats.
I guess I keep forgetting that the presence of Peyton Manning is going to osmotically create a franchise passer out of a 7th round pick or a UDFA. *cough* Matt Flynn *cough*
Younger and healthier is meaningless if they don't perform on the field. A healthy Manning has performed at a high level his entire career and immediately catapults this team in to contention. Flynn can either develop in to a good QB or set this team back another 3-4 years. Why not take a chance on immediate relevancy while developing another QB. And don't give me that crap that Peyton is going to suddenly turn in to a monster and demand draft authority or take over for Ireland. I don't buy that argument for one second.
Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers. All QB's that sat on the depth chart for 2 years or more.
Bc why should we settle for contending for the next 2-3 years now when we can spend that time developing another QB so we can maybe contend in 2015 and beyond? Did that sound as ridiculous to read as it did to type?
Are you kidding me? We can do both. And we have been trying to contend since the mid freaking 90's. Do you think we have intentionally sucked for the past 20 years? We haven't been in a meaningful January game since the EARLY 90's. The stinking Jets have been to three more AFC Championship games than we have during that timeframe. We have a once in a lifetime chance to pickup a deal changer and we should walk away to hopefully develop another FA like Fiedler or Feeley and walk away from immediate contention if Peyton is healthy enough to play? Am I missing something from you? OOOPS. Just re-read your post
Bum, no one disagrees with this post...what is the question is "a healthy Manning"....that's trumps everything. Think about what you said there, "Flynn can either develop in a to a good QB or set this team back another 3-4 years." The converse of that is "if Manning isn't or can't stay healthy, then the team is set back another 3-4 yrs." Of course, if Flynn turns out to be a decent or better QB, we have 7-10 yrs with him versus the 2-3 yrs with Manning, should he return to where he was. I don't pretend that a healthy Manning for 2-3 yrs is going to be better than a decent Flynn for that same 2-3 period, but this whole thing, Manning becoming a FA, is based on his health and not much more...
Not if you draft a QB.. An unhealthy Manning doesn't prevent us from drafting a QB in the 1st or 2nd round, or from continuing to invest in Moore and watching him develop. If Manning can't play we either won't sign him or will have a contingency plan in place. It simply makes no sense to discount Manning in Miami as being detrimental to the future if this team takes a 2 pronged approach.
Again, we'll know what we have in Manning this season, it's not a 3 year process like any other option would be. The only missed opportunities would be Flynn and Tannehill.
If they sign Manning, who cares about two or three years from now. In fact if Manning is healthy and the Dolphins can finally build an offensive line which can protect him in the pocket, I think he will be the QB for at least four more seasons. So hopefully the Dolphins would be able to find a decent replacement for Manning by the time the 2016 season rolls around.
What Id like to know is...could a WC style offense actually be a better fit for Manning at this point. We know he has the head for it..moving guys around..getting them in position...but it wouldnt be a system where he will need all of his arm strength back... I also see getting him as important, just from a development process. The work he does with his recievers and line by himself is one of legend. Imagine the work habits that are going to rub off on our team..
Given that we already have Marshall, Bess, and Bush for him to work with, I think he'd be good with whatever we run. And that's not counting whatever TE (hopefully Bennett) or WR (s) we add.
