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Mort: Manning out of Indy

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by smahtaz, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm not big on bringing in Manning, because of all the health concerns, age, etc, but I doubt many, if any, here know whether or not Manning could or would run Philbin's offense or just exactly how different it is compared to what Manning ran in Indy. There were reports that Manning has met with Jon Gruden to get up to speed on the WCO. Then again, Philbin said in one his first interviews, he isn't even sure what exactly West Coast Offense means.
     
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  2. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy


    There is no reason to pass on Tannehill if Manning is signed, even if they have to trade up to get him. The Dolphins would be a .500 team at worst with Moore at the helm. If Manning isn't worth 4 wins, then he's not worth signing at all. Manning will know every aspect of the offense Coach Philbin is installing before camp opens. The rest of you're stuff is just fluff.
     
  3. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    As opposed to a post full of your assumptions?

    Call me crazy but I think Philbin was brought in bc Ross thought he was the best HC option, not bc we wanted to make a carbon copy of GB (lord knows there are Aaron Rodgers' everywhere).

    And again call me crazy, but I think Ross has to of had a ton of discussions about the QB w/Philbin and if Philbin is 100% sold on Flynn, I can't see Ross over-riding his assessment. I also can't see Philbin throwing a hissyfit bc he gets stuck w/Peyton Manning in his first HC season.

    And even though you didn't like my answer of why people think Ross is an idiot, doesn't mean it isn't true. That's the common perception of him that a lot of people have. He "couldn't land" better coaches or talent. Which is silly.

    And you're welcome.
     
  4. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    What medical evidence? Posters on ThePHINS or the doctors who performed the surgery. Call me crazy, but one group holds more weight to me than the other. Which one might determine one's sanity.
     
  5. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Philbin had one of the best job in the NFL. Why on earth would he and Sherman sign on here for the scenario you describe?
     
  6. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    No big deal...Manning is going to NYJ...I can see it now...Brat Favre Part Deux...hehehe....

    Seriously...True, we don't have access to "medical evidence", just the opinion of other doctors who have admitted they don't have Manning's particulars to go on, just what is normal for recovery of that type of injury. If that's not enough for everyone, so be it...

    Here's the thing though, what we do have a guy that IF he's the same as he was or if he's well on his way as now everyone believes, then why the shroud of secrecy about it ?? Why does someone have to smuggle out a grainy 27 sec. bootleg video of him throwing practice balls ?? If he's back or if he's well on his way, why isn't that information public...why doesn't he have media at one of his workouts ?? If he's got nothing to hide, the 'proof' should be common knowledge...instead, it's leaked info from one side of the fence or the other that probably means very little... It's just too convenient to me...it means there is something to hide...

    But hey, he doesn't have to prove anything to me...just as long as Ross, Ireland, Philbin, Woody Johnson, Shanahan, Dan Snyder and those types believe him...
     
  7. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    All of your Peyton Manning are belong to us.
     
  8. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I don't buy a lot of speculation, but if these doctors are saying this then that sounds good enough. Esp when you consider that he's fine w/the incentive-based deal. That's a great buy low w/potentially huge dividends.

    I just can't believe people want to play it so safe right now lol
     
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  9. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Also, this was/is one of my most fond memories of any season during my existance:

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    Always disliked Farve as a person, whereas Manning seems very down to earth.
     
  10. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Manning easily would be the best QB since Marino to put on the Dolphin uniform. I don't see the hate. Were in prime position to get our future if they think Tannehill is the guy.
     
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  11. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Even though I really don't think Tannenhill is that guy, I agree with your premise.

    If Manning is healthy you don't pass him up because you are afraid of what happens when he retires. Just like you don't reach and draft a QB at #8 if there is not one deserving on the board. Everyone seems to be saying Tannenhill > Manning for this franchise. Completely disagree. In my evaluation I'm very confident in saying Tannenhill will not be a franchise type QB in the NFL. I don't even think he cracks the first round if Barkley enters the draft instead of staying at USC. I see him as the manifestation of fans wanting something to believe in.

    HOWEVER! If we draft him I will be behind him 1000% and root for his success. You can sign Manning and draft Tannenhill especially with the new rookie pay scale.
     
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  12. PhinsRDbest

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  13. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    If their guy is Tannehill and they view him as not ready yet and needing a few seasons to get groomed. I can't think of anybody else I want to qb this team for the interim then Peyton. Only problem I would see is convincing Manning on the idea of drafting Tannehill. But they could fix that by trading back into the first.

    Imagine the year is 2016 they hand over the reigns to a seasoned Tannehill with the tutelage of Philbin, Sherman, and Manning.
     
  14. bran

    bran Senior Member

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  15. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Was that the Super Bowl game by any chance kind of didn't look like either the Indianapolis or New Orleans field to me , but I could be mistaken?
     
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  16. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    :lol: :wink2:
     
  17. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Bill Polian said it would take 2 weeks to learn Philbin's offense and he could do everything except the bootlegs. He also said he sees no reason the offenses couldn't be blended for optimal results.
     
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  18. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

     
  19. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    You're kidding right. When was the last time a Dolphin QB had 3 TD passes in 3 seperate games during a season. Here's a hint, he didn't come in as a replacement in week 4 with no reps.
     
  20. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    I like Manning, always have.

    But this is a BONEHEAD move because Matt Flynn is the perfect fit. Miami signs Manning and they miss out on having a franchise QB that can start for the next 10-12 years.

    Manning was starting to decline in 2010. His best years are way behind him. Even if his shoulder does hold up at 36 other parts of the body break down. New system, new players, new coaches.

    Flynn should be plan A and Manning plan B, not the other way around.
     
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  21. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Don't be like that. It was a bad throw no matter how you spin it.
     
  22. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    What about Flynn makes you think he is a franchise guy? Not trying to be rude it's a serious question because I just don't see it.

    I see a guy with a bunch of average to above average traits. I definitely don't see a guy any better than Matt Moore. Think about it, if Flynn doesnt have that one great game does ANYONE want him?
     
  23. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    You really want to pay Matt Flynn around 25 million?

    Bad Plan A....
     
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  24. PhinsRDbest

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    Big woop he dismantled KC, Buf, and NE d. Marino could have done the left handed. He's a backup get over it.

    Oh and Chad Pennington did it in 2008. So not that long ago.
     
  25. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy


    You don't know that. What if Philbin thinks Flynn is a backup at best?
     
  26. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Had one team official of a Manning contender say to me, "If Ross wants to offer him a ----load guaranteed, we're out.''


    I think Manning might make a decision before free agency starts. He'll want his new team to get the right free agent(s), right? I assume that anyway.
     
  27. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    I figured Flynn was out of the discussion.
     
  28. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I never said Moore was the answer. I said he was at least a .500 QB. You were the one changing my post with that silly assed "fixed" tag.
     
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  29. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    This is a dream come true. I can't wait to see all the audibles and see the ball spread around! Come on over Peyton!
     
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  30. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    It's not just one great game, although that was one hell of a GREAT game! No bad QB has ever thrown anywhere close to 6 TDs or 480 yards in a game. Flynn has tremendous leadership skills. He displayed in college when he had his best game in the National Championship game against Ohio St. throwing for 4 TD passes.

    Then there was the New England game last year. Everyone I have heard that watched that game came away impressed. There was no drop off in play with Green Bay when Flynn replaced Rodgers. Against New England I was amazed at how confident Flynn was on the field of play and the players clearly responded to him. Honestly, outside of Marino, I don't recall another QB that looked as confident on the field in his first start. He made quick reads, was decisive and accurate.

    The critique about him not having a strong enough arm is just BS. Watch the game against Detroit. He throws a terrific deep ball and has plenty of arm. But it is the little things he does that tells me it just clicks for him. Drawing Detroit offside and throwing to the end zone when his WR was well covered b/c he knows he has a free play (what a throw on top of that). Even on the screen pass for a long TD, the way Flynn went back to pass he made it look like he was going to go deep and helped to open up the screen. I don't know how many times I have seen a QB give away a screen is coming just by the way he drops back.

    Then considering that Philbin has schooled Flynn the last 4 years, it just makes so much sense. Will Flynn ever be on par with Manning in his prime? NO way. But Manning is no longer in his prime. Given the context, Flynn is better choice than Manning imo.
     
  31. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Highly unlikely. He had a front row seat for both the NE and Detroit games Flynn started. I recall hearing in preseason that Flynn actually looked better than Rodgers (and I am in not saying Flynn is better than Rodgers). A player that has learned for 4 years in a system and put up better in numbers in two starts (753 yards and 9 TD) than any other QB in NFL history is worthy of a shot at a starting job.

    What if Philbin thinks...great I am installing a system in which I want to get young talented players who can grow and develop into a team for years to come and I have an owner that is more concerned with selling tickets by bringing in a guy who is 36 years old still recovering from 4 neck surgeries than letting me bring players that best fit my system.
     
  32. PhinsRDbest

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    But he is a below .500 qb so I fixed it.
     
  33. PhinsRDbest

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    I want either or so I'm in a win-win. But I wonder if you maybe should look at this in a different way. Maybe It's not a question of Manning vs. Flynn, but a Tannehill vs Flynn. Maybe they see huge potential in Tannehill that they don't see in Flynn. But they know Tannehill is going to take a few seasons because he is so raw. So in that situation Manning is only going to be around for 3-5 years more where as Flynn has a whole career left.
     
  34. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

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  35. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps, but I don't see Miami spending the #8 pick on a backup QB who has to develop. That pick would probably go to Reiff or Decastro. If they sign Manning they are going to want to do everything they can to shore up the OL and they won't have the cap room to do it after signing Peyton.
     
  36. PhinsRDbest

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    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Very true, but I can see them selecting DeCastro/Reiff and then trading back into the 1st to get Tannehill or vice versa.
     
  38. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    Totally agree, I was at that game sitting in that endzone after flying up from south Florida. Best day as a dolphin fan ever, I hate Brett Farve as well.
     
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  39. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Let me preface this by saying that I am not a fan of Flynn. I think he has average QB athletic skills.

    With that, I agree with you on his intangibles. The guy seems to know (with little playing time in the NFL, which is impressive) where to go with the ball. With that, his average arm strength could be his deficiency. I am sorry, but the guy's "deep ball" is nothing to write home about. His out routes are nothing to write home about. His timing seems good, but sometimes (in the little tape I have watched), his throws lack that je ne sais quoi. I may have just not seen enough of him to think he is a franchise QB. But more tape will not change my mind.

    People point to the Lions game, but did the Lions even play defense that game?

    I will give the guy this, he made millions that day and took every opportunity to do so. And if we do not pick him up, we will know that Philbin does not think highly enough of him to warrant the Miami Dolphins' opening day starting QB position in 2012. Philbin has worked intimately with Flynn over the course of the last few years and I trust his judgement. If he does start for Miami, I do hope to eat some serious crow. I just do not see gushing over him, though.

    In closing, I think you have to ask yourself, "Is this a guy a team can build around?"

    My answer is 'No'.

    I think Flynn has above average football intelligence in an average QB body who happened to be a product of fantastic coaching, all while being surrounded by great talent. Flynn alone does not make a team better. In other words, he is not a franchise QB. Franchise QBs instantly increase the chances of a team winning.

    I guess the real query are: Is he just a piece of the puzzle? - OR - Is he THE MISSING PIECE of the puzzle?

    If he is just a piece of the puzzle, Philbin better be a damn good coach if Flynn flies south.......
     
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  40. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    why Is it people don't think Manning and Philbin can co-exist or gameplay together?......... that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.... Philbin openly says the wants to run a no huddle hurry up, cutting edge offense....in which manning is very familiar with from calling the shots in indy....not only that it would be something he is familiar with AND give him some breathing room....... you don't think they would mesh? and really... you think Manning would come over to Miami with the chip on his shoulder he has just to say Its MY playbook we are doing it MY way?........... he has more integrity than that.. dont kid yourself.... he wants to win a championship just like any one else and he is smarter than that...........I highly doubt he is going to ride in on a high horse and make demands, I firmly believe he is too much of a class act to not be willing to work with any team he goes to.
     
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