Well the Giants are happy with Eli Manning clearly, with two Super Bowl championships because of their decision. They don't regret trading those two 1st round picks. If you think RG3 can do that then it's not a big price to pay.
So the best you have is "you're a noob" "run along". Almost as terrible as your player comparisons. Let me guess Ray Rice is similar to Barry Sanders lol. how about this, RG3 and Rodgers have completely different styles, offenses, and strengths. And the running ability of Rodgers is completely different than RG3. Rodgers running ability is similar to Luck if anything. Luck is a Rodgers clone. RG3 is not like Rodgers at all right now. RG3 doesn't hit timing routes or anticipation yet. Hell he hasn't even shown the short to intermediate accuracy of Rodgers. Rodgers anticipation and short to intermediate accuracy is flat out elite and something Luck shows. Maybe RG3 can do these things, but hasn't shown them consistently. Maybe its the offense doesn't stress these things, but when people say RG3 is like Rodgers it is just laughable.
I'm guessing this is a subtle cheap shot because I'm a new member. Its ok I'm cool with that. I'd just wish people who disagree could back up their claims with anything substantial. Nobody is making the rg3/rodgeers comparison for a reason. Reason is its pretty foolish. to answer your question, a real lot. I'm a very avid college football fan. clearly i watch far more college games than people here saying rg3 is like rodgers lol. Huge K. Wright fan on Baylor. I think he would be a perfect fit if he falls to SF with his slower 40 time.
It's not a cheap shot, it's a question about how much you've seen to make your statements. Michael Wilbon has made the comparison, and before you say he doesn't count, why should you? Last time I checked, avid college football fan isn't necessarily a qualification just as a real lot isn't a quantifiable amount. You don't clearly do anything but post unsubstantiated conjecture justified by being an avid college fan. As for backing up claims with something substantial, if you don't think my post comparing the two is substantial, then you, respectfully, don't know what you're talking about. Also, which current NFL player would you compare RG3 to? EDIT: Tony Dungy, Super Bowl winning Head Coach also compared RG3 to Rodgers. But, he's not an avid college fan, so I'm skeptical.
Wilbon also admits he doesn't watch alot of college football so i take his opinion with a grain of salt. As far as a comparison......I hate how people force comparisons. RG3 doesn't compare with anyone in the league which is why he is so intriguing. As a passer his game is similar to Joe Flacco. Now before you go crazy let me explain.........Baylors offense is a vertical pass game that didn't have many timing passes, or short to intermediate throws. The offense was built around the vertical pass and RG3 was excellent at it like we see Flacco. For the record, that isn't a knock as Flacco is an excellent deep ball thrower. Again I am not saying RG3 can't make timing throws, or can't throw short to intermediate with consistency........but he wasn't asked to do it in college. Until we see him do that more it is a question mark. As far as a runner, nobody really compares. The closest is Vick even though Vick is much more explosive. they are similar on how they both take a bit of a beating the way they run though and both are electric with their legs. So I can't say who he compares to as a runner since he isn't quite Vick but is probably superior to every other QB in terms of speed. While on topic, Rodgers isn't near the runner RG3 is. RG3 is much faster and sudden than Rodgers, Luck, Tebow, Newton. Only guy that is somewhat similar maybe is Colin Kaepernick but we havent seen enough of him to know in the NFL. RG3 is his own breed. Doesn't compare to any one player, but is a little bit of a few guys. And more reason Rodgers isn't a good comparison is Rodgers is an absolute complete player, RG3 is not yet. Rodgers is superior on timing routes and runs a very efficient west coast offense. RG3 is a better runner and throws the deep ball more often and better. He doesn't throw the fade stop like Rodgers though.
he surely didn't say it like the way your saying it..He said he hopes it doesn't take too much to get him because he would love to have some pieces in place, but its not up for him to decide, if a teams thinks hes worth it then so be it.. I freaking love this kid... Make the move Irish...Go get your baylor man..Lets do it man..
Being from Baylor, Ireland would have had his eyes set on RG3 long ago and would have discussed a trade when he interviewed Jeff Fisher. If they were talking 2 firsts, a third (preferrably next years) and a fifth, it's a smart move and I personally couldn't wait. RG3 would dramatically improve the franchise.
I'm praying to the football gods that we take a chance on this kid. Even if RG3 is a flop (i pray he's not) I can live with that. The fact that my football went out on a limb to try to improve this teams future would make me happy. I wonder if Rams would lean more towards Miami if the deals on the table were equal because we are in a different conference. A man can dream
If I'm the Rams I draft RG3 and trade Bradford. Bradford is an average checkdown Qb and thats it. Teams in the NFC West hope the Rams are dumb and stick with Bradford.
Thank you for handling that reasonably well. There was no need for race to be brought up there and I frankly dont know why it was. Lets understand something here fellas: Citing someone's race as a reason a person on the board likes the player is akin to a personal attack. Dont do it. A. Welcome to the board B. We dont take cheap shots at new members. It was a legit question. You made a statement, all hes asking is that you back it up. C. You seem pretty knowledgeable but so are other people here. Having the qualification of a "huge college football fan" does not make you or me or anyone else more qualified to have an opinion. People see the game differently brother.
If you believe he is the freakin man that has been missing from the franchise equation, then have the guts to make the move.. I can't find enough weaknesses in this dudes games to not do it.. His checklist is off the charts..If you fail on a prospect like that, then fu^5 it, whatta you gonna do..you go down in flames and you take the hit with pride..I would'nt be pissed if we gave it up for RG,and he failed, he's worth the risk...
Fair enough. To answer your question I've seen a ton of RG3 over the last few years. I wish I had a solid count on how many times I've seen him but truth is I've seen a bunch. I've seen every one of his games but 2 this year. By the time the draft rolls around I will have seen every one of them. I began watching him as a potential mid round guy. Then as he developed last year I saw him as my 3rd best QB in this draft...borderline 1st rounder who needed some development. i still think he needs development but nobody saw his improvement from last year to this coming. He is a way better player this year with his decision making and it is nice to see. That being said, I find it hard to believe someone would question my football knowledge when they are comparing RG3 to Rodgers. I'm just saying thats absurd on both levels. Oh well moving on, can't wait for the draft.
Noted. Sportswriter with limited college watching, grain of salt. ThePHINS poster who watches "a real lot" of college football, gospel. Good rule of thumb. Those comparisons bro. The comparison to Rodgers took into account RG3's ability to create a play in the passing game with his legs. Flacco is a volume deep passer, but it doesn't have much to do with athleticism. Rodgers hits on a lot of plays using his athleticism to spring out of pressure and take shots. This is something Griffin is adept at doing. We're not comparing them on what they're asked to do. The comparison is the way they play. They use their athleticism and are very accurate QB's. Rodgers still ended up with YPA of 9.25 this year vs. Flacco's 6.66. This is where comparisons break down. He has the running ability similar to Vick, but he doesn't mainly use it to run. His eyes are always down field and he does a lot of lateral running to set up passes. Vick is more prone to shooting off and getting injured which was evident this year. Rodgers doesn't have elite speed, but his quickness and quick release make him difficult to hit like RG3. GB has a terrible line, but he was able to only take 36 sacks. He previously had 31 and 50 the respective years prior. I agree that he's quicker than those guys, but Kaepernick was not a quick guy. He had high top end speed but his acceleration was not elite. When he got a start, he could get going, but he wasn't elusive. He was much better in straight lines. Until they play in the NFL, no QB is a "complete" QB. Luck is the closest thing to a potential complete QB. Last year, Gabbert was that guy. The point of going to the NFL is to grow as you play. http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...hat-is-the-west-coast-offense-these-days.html Neither does Luck at this point. Neither did Rodgers when he came from Cal. RG3 as it stands is the best possible Rodgers clone. They focused on the vertical passing game, but you do not complete over 72% of your passes on deep throws alone. The comparison is not in what they are asked to do, but in their tendencies in what they do. No one's saying RG3 is a great timing route thrower at this point, the comparison is that in what they're both asked to do, they approach it in similar ways due to their athleticism and amazing accuracy. Doesn't make much sense to compare an ice cream man's filing of paper work with an accountant's. It would be smart to say they both approach their job with swift and enjoyment.
I seriously can't believe you completely missed the point of my post that bad. I purposely added tidbits here and there because I knew you would and you still did. I give up, no offense but if you're going to miss on my post that bad it is going to be impossible to have a conversation with you. Perhaps the way you looked at each sentence individually instead of the post as a whole. I'm not sure how you did that. As far as Gabbert, no I knew he was garbage in college and would be in the pros. Gabbert a complete QB? lol my goodness...
.....Yet you're comparing him to Flacco. So what you're saying is Griffin's gonna be playing for the NFL Baylor Bears? Cop out answer. That's what "projecting" is for rather than comparing college Griffin to seasoned NFL vet Rodgers. Half of your post is spent discussing his running ability as if we're talking about a running back. At no point have you actually mentioned anything significantly "passing" related. Regarding legs, we're less concerned about how fast and good a runner a QB is as we are his footwork, talent of his feet as a passer, mobility as a passer, how well his eyes seem linked to his feet, and ability to keep eyes down field and throw on the run. please stop comparing the offenses these guys were in or how well they can run. If you were a scout you'd get an F, no offense. Give me a QB comparison based on how Griffin will be a few years from now.... or give me the side by side comparison of pre-NFL Rodgers and Luck, pre-NFL Rodgers and Griffin, and then tell me why you think Luck is the better comparison. So Griffin isn't comparable to Rodgers b/c Rodgers is a "west coast" guy, huh? Got something for you to read in the article below: Now, compared side by side with Rodgers---- if you're talking the total package consisting of "it factor", intelligence, athleticism, likability, leadership, size, outstanding feet, quick & coordinated feet, quick release (or the ability to have one with improved coaching), arm strength, ability to flick the ball with ease and do so off balance, ability to improvise and buy time while keeping eyes down field, the flexibility and balance to be a plus passer on the run (even throwing across the body), the potential to be a plus thrower at every level of the defense.... then Griffin IS a solid comparison to Rodgers, more so than Luck IMO. Luck is a different passer. His slower delivery alone makes him unlike Rodgers... and his footwork isn't as quick or precise either, but Griffin's is. Luck is not a naturally pure passer in the way Rodgers is. Again, Griffin is closer in this regard, and under good coaching, will become even closer.
You'd have a point except I was responding to a direct question asking me to compare him. not only that I mention multiple times he doesnt compare to any 1 player so fail on your part. Did I say that? No I clearly said he wasn't asked to do it and until he shows he can its a question mark. Notice I didn't say he couldn't do those things either, I'm just smart enough to not assume he can either. And I'm certainly smart enough to know he will never be Rodgers so the comparison is foolish. I like RG3 and would never do that to him. Exactly why the comparison is ridiculous. I'm with you, but I have to ask........do you know what a comparison is? Either way if you want to discuss this that would be great. It makes much more sense than comparing him to a guy who he doesn't play like. I agree he has mobility, can keep his eyes down field and all that good stuff. Sometimes his footwork can get spoty as he throws off his backfoot, but we all know he has things he can work on. I actually think he holds on to the ball too long as well, but its not all his fault. some is the offense waiting for vertical passes to get open. Other part is him just wanting a big play and trusting his legs. All running QBs take more sacks then they should, but at the same time can create with their legs so its not all bad. please stop comparing the offenses these guys were in or how well they can run. If you were a scout you'd get an F, no offense. Give me a QB comparison based on how Griffin will be a few years from now.... or give me the side by side comparison of pre-NFL Rodgers and Luck, pre-NFL Rodgers and Griffin, and then tell me why you think Luck is the better comparison. So Griffin isn't comparable to Rodgers b/c Rodgers is a "west coast" guy but RG3 isn't, huh? Got something for you to read: Now, if you're talking the total package of "it factor", intelligence, athleticism, likability, leadership, size, outstanding feet, quick & coordinated feet, quick release (or the ability to have one with improved coaching), arm strength, ability to flick the ball with ease and do so off balance, ability to improvise and buy time while keeping eyes down field, the flexibility and balance to be a plus passer on the run (even throwing across the body), the potential to be a plus thrower at every level of the defense.... then Griffin IS a solid comparison to Rodgers, more so than Luck IMO. Luck is an entirely different passer. His slower delivery alone makes him entirely unlike Rodgers... and his footwork isn't as quick or precise either, but Griffin's is. Luck is not a naturally pure passer in the way Rodgers is. Again, Griffin is closer in this regard.[/QUOTE]
Comparisons are funny... Even Rodgers wasn't "Rodgers" when he was drafted either~ That's why he slid all the way to #24.
Where does RG3 need development in your opinion? Im personally not in love with him as a prospect enough to move next years first to jump from 8 to 2 but I wouldnt pass him up at 8 either.
Conspiracy theory: Fisher secretly didn't pan out in Miami b/c it was conditional upon Ireland trading up for his Baylor boy, RG3. and we all know Fisher is racist.
They won't do this..... which lays credence to my above conspiracy theory post..... and Fisher being a racist.
He needs improvement in a few areas. - His footwork gets sloppy. This often happens to running QBs, but since they like to bail out of the pocket they fall into bad habits of throwing off their bad foot. In college it works, but in the NFL its difficult as it results in inconsistencies and more turnovers. - His arm slot changes. sometimes you will see him drop his arm down and throw from a 3/4 angle when he doesn't use his legs to throw. He also gets sloppy and lazy in his mechanics in general. You will see him stand flat footed, throw with only his arm. - Doesnt make all the throws. Remember he played in a vertical offense. Perhaps it was just design of the offense but he wasn't asked to make a ton of NFL throws. Baylor did not have alot of timing routes or asked to make a ton of quick decisions with his arm. The baylor passing tree is more limited than nfl passing tree. He wasn't asked to make alot of short and intermediate throws he will in the NFL. - People forget he plays in a shotgun spread offense. He has gotten under center but isn't completely comfortable there. Sure the NFL is moving in this direction but we have to see him under center more and with a RB behind him. The way you see and read a defense under center is way different than in a spread. - injuries. He runs a good amount and takes a ton of hits. Injuries will be a concern. Sometimes he is a bit of a drama queen and fakes little injuries for attention. Its an odd thing he does. So he gets banged up and lays on the ground but you dont know if he has a real injury or faking it for attention as he jumps up because nothing is wrong. - 1 year wonder. We've seen other college players have 1 good year production and revert back to their old ways...will he? Some things above are knocks, others are questions marks because we havent seen him do some things. If i was you I'd be concerned about giving up all that for him as well. He is definitely not a perfect prospect but he is very intriguing. I like alot of what he does, some things need to be worked on. Jumping up to #2 for RG3 will take a real lot. I just find it odd that people are afraid to critique RG3 when he has some things he needs to work on. BTW this isn't being a hater either. You just have to notice some things in his game that you have to note need to be worked on.
you said a whole lot without saying virtually anything at all.... and then followed it up with another insult. lol. Again, please stop telling us how much football you watch. You're not winning any credibility here with that. Case in point, I could watch FoodNetwork and HGTV all day like Boik and still not know how to flambe' a Christmas pudding or decorate my bathroom with properly coordinated colors, patterns, and accent pieces.
He did. He was called out on it and continued on with his stance not only once, but all week, and still stands by it. Its comical.
I just want to make this very clear to you.........pointing out that the RG3/Rodgers comparison is horribly inaccurate is not an insult. I'm sorry you took it that way, but it still doesn't make the comparison any more valid.
My responses in blue ...... PS: welcome aboard bro and thanks for taking the time add to any debate. It's all good.
If you switch it to "in my opinion" or something of that sort, then you'd be met with less adversity as a new member. Even those of us who've been here for years try to remember that we still need to back up our posts with substance while respecting opinions of others. My RG3/Rodgers comparison has little to do with the RG3 of now as it does the RG3 we'll see 4 years from now.
ToddsPhins, even though I think most of your comments are cop-outs, I do agree for the most part. You are glazing over those question marks and making it sound like its a sure thing those things can be corrected with "repetition" when it isn't that simple. Now I'm mostly with you that he can and will improve, I'm just not going to say its a sure thing either like you're sort of eluding to. and I will certainly say to correct all the things above is difficult and all wont be corrected.....mainly because his style as a dual threat Qb. Dual threat QBs fall into bad habits more than most. I do think he can be taught to limit those mistakes/lazy mechanic things he does though. Again, I do think he can and will improve in those areas just keep in mind my post was in response to someone asking me where I think some of his question marks are.
I have a problem with calling him a running QB. I know a running QB, and hes not a run first or even 2nd or 3rd guy. Running QB's dont make the progressions he makes. Thats the allure to him imo is he is a QB. This is not a QB whose success is predicated on a one read and run system making half field reads like Vince Young or a QB like Newton 2 years ago who had a coordinator making the reads for him. The other stuff I agree with. I see the footwork as at times sloppy. I agree its because he tends to keep running in his mind as an option. Im a big believer in passing over running and staying in the pocket. Griffin is a guy though who can stay in the pocket and get through his reads and run only when the play really breaks down. This bodes well for his long term success imo. The offense worries me but less so then it did. For a long time I only wanted QB's from pro style offenses but now the spread or spread aspects are featured in most NFL offenses. True video game offenses like Okla State and Oregon worry me with respect to QB prospects.
Ya sorry about that. Semantics.........I should have been more accurate and referred to him as a dual threat QB and not a running Qb.
