Its all over news and Net, ''Irsay would like to have Manning back"...and Manning says he would like to finish his career there.. Now personally I believe he's full of crap, and is just appeasing the fanbase, but lets think about how Luck and his camp might be interpreting this, because I am all about looking for the chance to still trade for that #1 pick and select Andrew Luck.. If Irsay is telling the truth, then he and Andrew Luck must believe its more than just for 1 year, and if there is any scenario that has Luck sitting for more than 1 year, I'am sure that is going to turn him off and he will not want to be a backup for three years...So, lets hope that nerve regenerates, lets hope Irsay is serious, cause it opens the door for us to get that pick.. The strange thing about this for me is, Luck is so good, why not just amicably part ways with Manning, and trust your instinct..A career of Luck is more important to the franchise than a few years of Manning.?? Well, today with all this Irsay Manning lovefest, at least there is a glimmer of hope to get Lucky...
Given Grigson's history with Michael Vick, the thing I've speculated about has been what Grigson thinks of Robert Griffin as opposed to Andrew Luck. If you have Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning on the same team, one of them sits on the bench the entire game. Luck brings nothing to the table that Peyton shouldn't bring if he's healthy, and so if Peyton ever has to sit the bench so that Luck can get out there, there's no way to justify that from a competitive standpoint. It's purely about getting Andrew ready to take over for Peyton. But if you've got Robert Griffin and Peyton Manning really is committed to making things work then you could try and convince Manning to let Griffin come onto the field to give the defense something RADICALLY different to prepare for when they face the Colts. I don't think you have a snowball's chance in hell getting the Colts to trade out of range for one of the two guys between Luck and Griffin. The thing I kept proposing was for Miami to trade up to Jeff Fisher's #2 overall spot, which I think you know Jeff Fisher wants to do anyway, and then in a second trade, swap with the Colts who take Griffin at #2 instead of Luck at #1.
I'am completely doing double takes from these media reports, On the one hand, I agree with you, I think you would have to be crazy not to draft Luck, I just can't believe both parties are saying the things their saying, and Luck is just sitting out there listening....I guess my only hope is that Irsay is a bit Loco, the nerve regenerates quickly, and the fans get behind Manning staying.. If I'am Luck right now Doc, this can't be encouraging news.
This is what I like to hear..not only could they draft RG instead of Luck who may be closer in competition in their eyes, but they could also get 3 first round draft picks in the process.. By publicly stating that you want a healthy Manning at 36 years old to play for you for the next few years, is an odd way to court the best QB prospect ever.
lol...I know Pod, I'am like Sybil in this sh^%...all of me says no'one is stupid enough to do anything that jeopardizes Andrew Luck being on their team, but I'll be damned if this posturing would not bother me if I was Luck.
That's pretty hilarious. I've already used a Big Lebowski reference in one of my articles. I'm going to have to use that Tropic Thunder reference in another one.
That is just wishfull thinking and iam the king of wishfulll thinking. SAGE Rosenfels has a better chance of turning innto Dan MARINO then we have of getting Luck or Griffen.
If I'am Luck, if there is any truth to this posturing, it doesn't mean I'am sitting for one year, that's what noone is saying, everyone is saying, ''ah its ok for Luck to sit for a year and learn''....no, thats not what that means, Manning playing for the colts again means your on the bench for a few, and no way is Luck gonna want to deal with that... I know its most likely posturing, but I cannot believe their even going there.
goodness, I'd be willing to give up 2 future 1's, plus swapping positions this year with the Rams, then for that swap with the colts up one, any player they want on my team???..lol..jesus thats a lot. what about you, just for sh^%s and giggles?
Ha! Sure, why not - High school football experience - 0 (my school wasn't big enough for football, but we played a lot in the cow pastures) College football experience - 0 (my college wasn't big enough for football) 5'9'' (according to my driver's license, probably closer to 5'7") 190 lbs (185 on a good day) 32 years old Scouting report: Negatives: Throws the slowest football I've ever seen. Seems to really struggle to throw the ball any deeper than 15 yards. Accuracy is a big problem. Throws more like a girl than a man. Runs about a 5.7 40 time. Accessory Navicular foot problem renders this QB almost completely immobile in the pocket. Will probably require off season surgery. Currently in a walking boot. Positives: Has a pretty decent side-armed flick. Most comparable to - a ******ed Bubby Brister.
I think I've said before that I'd give up Jake Long and Brandon Marshall, next year's 1st round pick, and this year's 2nd round pick, in order to move up from #8/9 to #1 overall for Luck. Steep price. But on the bright side, trading Jake Long and Brandon Marshall frees up $10.4 million in salary cap space. The Dolphins should be considered to have a salary cap number right now of about $107 million, if you add in the rollover credit from 2011. This would bring our cap number down to more like $97 million, with $5-6 million needed for draft picks, and a projected salary cap of let's call it around $122 million. That's $20 million of salary cap space we can use to try and replace Long and Marshall, re-sign Soliai, etc...and that's even without cutting Yeremiah Bell or anyone else. Would it be a loss to lose Jake Long and Brandon Marshall? Sure. But what if you can sign guys like Jared Gaither and Marques Colston to replace? Except now you've got them blocking and catching passes for Andrew Luck, not Matt Moore.
not really sure how this is posturing for a 'blame game' ... the real deal is simply the 28 MIL ... would you want to pay it if you were the owner, knowing right now today - nerve generation isn't where it needs to be AND there is no guarantee it will ever get there. Irsay does come across as an honorable man. no owner in their right mind would pay that 28 MIL ... it's a bad business decision from any angle. so, in fact ... it does come down to whether or not Peyton wants to play in IND -- plain and simple. IF he was as 'honorable' as some intimate ... then he would openly state -- keep the bonus, and sign a new incentive laden contract for 1 year (renegotiated after this year based on progress/performance). IF Peyton were 'honorable' that's what he'd do right now today. regarding Luck ... really, who cares whether he walks right in and starts or has to wait a year or so. in reality, that works out in his favor -- read longer career = more $$$. if he can show at any point that he is half as good as he is built up to be, he will cash in on his 2d contract regardless. this is much to do about nothing. DJ, i see no reasonable COA that brings Luck to MIA, and only a couple for Griffin ....
I agree that the right business decision is to draft Luck and release Manning, however were just projecting here as to what Irsay is telling us, and if there is any truth to the matter, and he wants Manning to come back, then imo Luck will not want to be drafted by the colts and wait for however long Manning is going to play.. If I'am Luck, I know who I am, and How good I am, and how much leverage I have, Iam not waiting for 3 years to play ball. This is the glimmer of hope I'am taking about.
the key DJ is .... regardless of where Manning signs -- is he going to play?? i think the most realistic COA is that Manning doesn't start playing until say OCT ... which would mean that Luck would get all the OTCs, TC and 1st part of the season to play. And IF he is that good, then Manning complains before the deadline and then gets traded --- if he isn't doing so great, then Manning just comes in and takes over, and then we revisit the whole shenanigans next year. all i'm saying is that i see zero chance IND passes on Luck ... unless they do fall in love with Griffin (which though slightly doubtful, is entirely possible). either way, there really isn't any financial reason to not use the #1 pick and risk it; dropping to #2 makes no sense whatsoever. Dropping to #3 brings risk into the formula. to me ... the only reason Luck doesn't go to IND, is if he doesn't want the pressure of following Manning ...
Yes, because when teams cut players they're being "honorable". F that noise. There's no such thing as honor and loyalty in sports. To quote Don Sutton: "Loyalty? Sure. I'm the most loyal player money can buy." And LOL at Irsay coming across as honorable.
Bottom line is as long as Manning is on the Colts there is a glimmer of hope. As soon as they release Manning or he retires that glimmer darkens and all that is left is RG3 with the hope the Colts fall in love with him.
In a word.....no.... Sorry, there is no way they don't draft Luck...would not make any sense at all... As to the Manning thing, Irsay has to make it look like it was Manning's doings that he gets released. The fan backlash would be crazy if Irsay looks like the bad guy in this. And, of course, Manning's ego won't let him look like the bad guy either, so this is going to be an ugly divorce with both sides accusing/pointing to the other as to why...Irsay will say that Manning forced his way out (which is partly true) and Manning's camp will say that Irsay forced him out (which is partly true)... This is a bit different than the Favre/GB divorce in that Favre was washed up when they pushed him out the door. Manning may not be quite that far gone, assuming the rebuilding of the arm strength can take place/continue (depending on which side you listen to). The thing is, I don't see us going after Manning, simply because I don't think the process will time out for us. It's probably more important for Philbin to have his guy in place and in the OTA's formulating his offense. Other teams have an advantage there (Cleveland, Seattle, Wash) because the staff and the scheme is in place already. As to us getting Luck...Can't see any way of that happening...
really, exactly what has Irsay done that shows dishonor ... the fact that he might not want to pay 28MIL to a player that might never play another down for him or anyone else ... exactly how is that dishonorable. with Manning, IF he were honorable - he'd tell Irsay right now to forget the 28 MIL, and sign for a lucrative incentive based contract for this year. that wouldn't change Irasy's desire to draft Luck ... i know it wouldn't mine. best case is Manning 'gets healthy' whilst Luck shows promise and success leading the team ... and you let Peyton take over and walk next year, if that is his desire. IF BOTH sides were honorable ... that is the way it'd work out ...
The dishonorable part is, Irsay was a flippn' joke and a baffoon before Manning came along, save the day, and built him a new stadium. Now, because of Manning, Irsay is "cool and eccentric." Irsay owes Manning SOOOOOOO much. He can't be spouting on Twitter in any negative way toward him. Needs to get on his knees, and pucker up to Peyton's backside!
Do the Rams take themselves out of Kalil contention? Are they high enough on Reiff to take him 8/9? They'd also definitely be out of the running for Blackmon.
While I'm impressed by your physical attributes. I will need to know if your mother has ever been in the employ of an escort service. That's sort of a deal breaker for me.
still better than at least 4 guys who've QB'd this ship...big question: do we get your WHOLE family if we draft you?
DJ, i can still see some type of glimmer for luck, who know maybe irish is thinking of selling our soul to the colts and the always RED jim irsay... think of it this way.. if peyton comes back, they sell that #1 pick, actually BUILD their team correctly and trade up next year for peytons replacement... it would make more sense i feel then drafting luck... IF PEYTON CAN PLAY
Yes, my entire family will be part of the deal. My 73 year old dad can play tight end. He's got a bad hip, and blind in one eye.
