2 minutes til patriots fans cry

What do the Patriots have in common with the Bills, Broncos and Vikings?

 

that made me laugh so hard

 

im reading some of these posts on patriot forums and some of these guys are pretty crazy, talking about not having any luck and having their hearts ripped out i mean seriously? they watched their team win 3 superbowls in the last decade i havent even seen the ****ing dolphins in an AFC championship game for **** sakes. these guys are as bandwagon as it gets

 

any team that can simultaneously deny the patriots ANOTHER superbowl AND piss off the jets is definitely my second fave team.

not to mention stopping the pats' run in '07 and the bills way back when. i love you, giants.

 

Watching the ungrateful midget almost break down in tears is priceless

In your face you little piece of ****!

 

Wow, I almost feel bad for Brady. He won them 3? superbowls? And this is the thanks he gets? Boston doesn't deserve another championship in any sport for a long time. They are spoiled rotten.

 

Seriously I am ecstatic if a QB can go 3-2 in Super Bowls for us in the next 10 years... Also Welker should have made that catch that would have ended the game. At the end his receivers dropped 2 passes, 1 of them could have gotten them down to the 30, maybe even break free for a TD.

 

If I could give this post ten thanks, I would.

 

"Blame Brady".

Ok dumdum, who's to blame if you didn't have Brady and the Patriots were instead a 5-11 team watching the SB from home?

Blame Gronkowski's injury if you want to blame anything. He's the catalyst who allows Brady to run that current offense.


I'm a Dolphin fan and I still want to tell this guy to shut the **** up. lol.
How much of an idiot is he thinking Brady should've played it safe and used "clock management" [instead of the Welker throw]? Yeah, one of the top QBs in NFL history should be afraid to throw downfield to his open, favorite All-Pro WR. Idiot.

 

yeah, that article was just plain stupid. The patriots lost because their talent is sub-par outside of Brady, Wilfork and Gronk.
when you're an offensive minded team, you can't win a championship relying on guys like Welker and Woodhead.

 

There is no doubt about it, as a die hard Fins fan, the pasties or jests or jills losing in the SB (or anytime) is the next best thing to us winning. If we can't be there, then seeing Brady and BB cry at the podium is the next best thing...

 

Someone on this board who will remain nameless, who actually fist pumped your post, tried to insult me Saturday night for not liking Pats and Jets players and coaches.

 

Wow...Brady didn't have a great game but it wasn't that bad...whew....I just have one thing to say to all the pasties fans...remember this SB game in 5 yrs when Brady is retired. You will then suffer the pain of all Dolfans on the day the music died....(Marino retired).... You can biatch and moan about how Brady cost a win, but he certainly played well enough for you guys to win...the rest of the team didn't play any better though....

 

If it wasn't for the cameras, the taintriots wouldn't have been IN those SBs. It's funny. Remember when opposing teams would say "it was as if they(NE) knew what we were running every time" after playing them? Well how come players don't say this anymore post-spygate? Hmmmmm?

 

You sure that wasn't just me insulting you for having a mancrush on Nick Saban and his man ****?

 

Maybe I missed something but in the Article he says Montana had to hand it off to mallet?

 

God I love it that I called this game right!!

http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...ing-Jeff-Ireland-s-Time&p=1693721#post1693721

Listen, let's be a tad bit realistic here, shall we? I've been saying alll season long the Patriots defense was suspect. I've been saying all season long when Brady is up against a SOLID defense, he struggles. To the Patriots credit, their defense did step up, holding the Giants to only 21 points, but the win for the New York Giants doesn't fall on Tom Brady not playing well...not on Eli Manning lighting up the scoreboard, but as I've said time and time again, "Offense sells tickets, defense wins championships"

People are questioning the call of the first play of the game, Brady being called for intentional grounding...and all of the attention on Brady...but what is sorely being overlooked is WHY Brady threw that ill fated pass. He wasn't just standing back in the pocket, twidling his thumbs, humming a lullaby and for no reason threw that pass. No, he was suddenly staring in the face of Justin Tuck who made a BEAUTIFUL inside move and was in Brady's face. Brady was stuck between a rock and hard place...take the sack or throw it away and HOPE the "I'm Tom Brady Factor" would allow him to get away with an intentional grounding. Well it didn't.

All game long, the Giants defense was in Brady's face and the receivers were being stuck to like Super Glue by the Giants secondary. Now to be SOMEWHAT fair to Brady, look at the game plan by Bellichek, 41 pass plays, 19 rushes. Gee, do you think the Giants knew what play was going to be called by New England. Pass, pass, pass. That's all New Engalnd was about. Passing the ball and like what happened to Chad Henne here in Miami, the same thing happened to Brady. All the Giant's defense had to do was sit back and wait and they'd get their interception, stick the receivers tight enough and allow the Giants defensive line to swarm Brady like flies on roadkill and Brady would make poor throws. Bellichek failed the Patriots by turning Tom Brady into another late careered Brett Favre...just let it fly Tommy Boy. Afterall, you're Tom Brady!! Oops!

The Giants offensively on the other hand had a more balanced attack, 40 pass plays to 27 rushes and as a result, controlled time of possession, which is exactly what Tom Coughlin wanted to do...keep possession of the ball, beat down New England's suspect defense and keep his defense on the sidelines fresh and ready to pounce on Brady. Forumla equaled success. Twice the Giants and Patriots faced off in the Super Bowl, twice it came down to late 4th quarter plays, twice the Giants defeated the undefeatable.

Defense...ball control...time of possession. I know many of you are high on "elite quarterback", but Manning only had one touchdown. This game was won by phenominal defensive play, ball control and time of possession.

New England's reign in the NFL is over. They will continue to have success, but at best, they will be this decade's version of the early 90's Buffalo Bills...selling tickets with their offense and losing championships due to no defense.

Congratulations to the Giants for defeating the nemesis of the Miami Dolphins!!!

 

No, no, no, no.

This was not a game won by defense. It was won by offense and lost by offensive miscues.

The Giants racked up almost 400 yards of total offense.
The Pats racked up 350 total yards.
Both teams rushed for over 4 yards a carry.
Eli was 30/40 for almost 300 yards and 103.8 rating
Brady had a 91.1 rating.

That is not, under any circumstance, a defensive game.

 

Love it!

 

I can sympathize with him. I was also a Cowboys fan when I was that age, and when they lost the Ice Bowl to the Packers, I was a little misty eyed. I also lost a 25 cent bet to my uncle who wasn't even a football fan.

 

Yes it was won by defense FinD. The Patriots ranked 3rd overall in the league in total offense this season, averaging 32.1 points per game and an average of 428 yards offense. The Giants defense, with the overwhelming pressure placed on Brady is what caused this "miscues" as you put it. Brady didn't just sit there in the pocket and arbitrarily miss a throw here and there for no reason at all. The Giants had hiim running for his freaking life!! And more so, the offensive juggernaut that is the Patriots couldn't put points on the board because the Giants defense stopped them cold dead in their tracks.

I cant understand this mindset. I can't understand how if a quarterback or offense has "a bad game" it's nothing more than a result of their "miscues", without ANY credit being given to the defense that caused them to play so badly to begin with. The Giants, who had the 24th ranked defense in the league during the regular season stepped up and played defense all throughout the playoffs, having the top ranked defense throughout the playoffs and Super Bowl, allowing an average of only 14 points throughout the playoffs.

Some of you guys, who give no regard to the other side of the ball, make it seem as if an offense goes out onto the field and plays a game against a bunch of stationary tackling dummies...and if a pass is dropped....if a ball is over or underthrown, it was a miscue on the QB and not a result of ANYTHING the defense did.

This was a defensive game, pure and simple. Sure, both offenses gained yards but when it came to POINTS, the defenses did their their jobs...holding the Patriots to 2 TD's and a FG AND scoring a safety...holding the Giants to 2 TD's and 2 FG's.

Offense sells tickets, but defense wins championships...and the Giants defense came to play. THEY put Tom Brady and the New England offense in check. Tom Brady didn't put himself in check.

 

Can't believe I missed this. Funny you should post this picture. In 2008 I was in Kaduna, Nigeria and saw some 13 or so year old kid wearing a "19-0 Super Bowl Champions" New England t-shirt.

Awww, so THAT'S where the loser t-shirts go. Wish I'd known. I would have been buying them up as collectors items

 

No what's amazing, is that you are stuck on the old mantra even though every stat and evidence shows that mantra to be wrong in this day and age. You just want to believe it, even though it simply isn't true. Defense is important, but it isn't winning championships anymore. No one in their right mind would tell you that a game that where each team had 350 of total yards or more was defensive contest. You are just wrong, plain and simple.

And yes, Welker & Hernandez's drops had nothing to do with the defense.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, during this "defensive" showcase 2 or 3 offensive records were set.

 

I didn't really care who won. As long as the Pats lost, I am a happy panda. It warmed my heart to see Welker crying. Douchebag.

 

So lets flip the script. Our Dolphins had a lot of games with no trouble moving the ball between the 20's but failed to score touchdowns. Would you consider those great offensive games? Of course not. We failed to put up POINTS. If a defense doesnt allow points they had a great game regardless of how many yards. Now I agree there were unforced errors as well, and that a great defense alone doesn't win you a championship these days. However to say the Giant defense played poorly is ridiculous.

 

Thank you Alex. I thought I was going to be the only one on this side of the argument and you make a very good point, many times throughout the season we could move the ball easily between the 20's but was never able to punch it in for the score....and we were constantly criticized for our lack of offense....but yet the same thing happens yesterday in the Super Bowl and THATwas an offensive game?

There might have been some offensive miscues. Every game has them, but to say that both defenses and their intense play, particularly by the Giants didn't cause ill advised throw by Brady by forcing him to try and force a throw in that wasn't there...or to throw the ball before he really wanted to is just idiotic

 

That mantra may be dying or even dead, but the fact that the Gmen held NE, the most prolific scoring offense in the league to 17 points speaks volumes about how important the D was to them beating the pasties...

 

Don't worry, I'll be keeping that mantra alive and well. In my 40 years of watching football, I was once one of those who thought of nothing but offense....offense, offense, offense but then I grew up and learned how VITAL defense is, if not MORE important than offense because a POWERFUL defense will always give your offense the chance...but if your defense can't stop the other team's offense, it doesn't matter how many points you score. Marino found that out the hard way...after watching Kenny O'Brien and the Jets put 52 on the scoreboard

 

Why does that speak more volumes than:

All the yards in that game.
Offensive records set by QB's in that game.
2 franchise QBs in that game.
The Pats most prolific offense was in the that game but the dominating defense like Baltimore, Pitt, SF, etc weren't in that game.
That Eli Manning had over a 100 in QB rating in that game.

But no the Pats scoring only 17 pts on a night they were clearly off is the proof this was a defensive game?

 

No, it's no different at all...offense versus defense, whoever wins the win of scrimmage will 9 times out of 10 win that particular play.

Rules may have changed, but the game is still the same and if "you" can see that, then you really don't know FOOTBALL at all.

 

Umm, the winner of the game is determined by who scores the most points, not the most yards.

 

Tell you what, you give me a team with a "good" offense, one that can maintain a good long drive and a POWERFUL defense that swarms the quarterback, hurrying him a dozen times, knocking him down a dozen times and sacks him 5/6 times a game, I don't care what team you are, you're going to lose!!!

Because when a quarterback is under THAT MUCH pressure all game long, he's going to lose yardage, he's going to throw the ball away, he's going to make bad throws, he's going to be sacked, he's going to be intercepted...because he doesn't have time to do what he does best..sit back in the pocket, take his time, plant his feet step forward and deliver sharp accurate throws. That's what happened to Brady. the Giants rattled his cage all...night...long!!!

On the other hand...

The Giants maintained time of possession, executed sustained drives and put points on the board when they had the chance.

Bottomline...the Giants won the line of scrimmage. That's football!

 

Tell you what, you give me a team with a "good" offense, one that can maintain a good long drive and a POWERFUL defense that swarms the quarterback, hurrying him a dozen times, knocking him down a dozen times and sacks him 5/6 times a game, I don't care what team you are, you're going to lose!!!

Because when a quarterback is under THAT MUCH pressure all game long, he's going to lose yardage, he's going to throw the ball away, he's going to make bad throws, he's going to be sacked, he's going to be intercepted...because he doesn't have time to do what he does best..sit back in the pocket, take his time, plant his feet step forward and deliver sharp accurate throws. That's what happened to Brady. the Giants rattled his cage all...night...long!!!

On the other hand...

The Giants maintained time of possession, executed sustained drives and put points on the board when they had the chance.

Bottomline...the Giants won the line of scrimmage. That's football!

 

And? You need the yards to get the points. Unless there was a lot of defensive scoring or the defenses were setting up their own offenses with short fields.

Nope. In fact, Brady put together two scoring drives of 95 yards. Where exactly was the Giants defense then? What planet, does a team that has not 1 but 2, 95 yard drives for scores, considered a stellar defensive performance?

 

Signed,

every DC who gives up yards between the 20s and has a BA red zone D

 

While Patriot fans must have certainly been upset with their teams loss in the Super bowl. I am sure they will sit back and laugh as they realize that their team goes into the upcoming draft with five selections in the top 96 picks this year. They have two picks in both the first and second rounds of the draft.

So while we as Dolphin fans can take a little satisfaction from the fact the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl this year. They are still a far superior team to the Dolphins right now and they have the draft picks available this year to fill the needs they have in their secondary and at wide receiver. They also still have Tom Brady, a QB the Dolphins have been unable to figure out in the last three years.

Right now the Patriots are still the class of the AFC East and the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills are all just fighting to finish somewhere beside last place in the division.

 

And yet I feel a slight shifting in the NFL universe. It will be interesting to see how they repond to this from a psycological standpoint.

 

It doesn't matter if the Giant defense gave up two 90+ yard TD drives. Those were the ONLY TD drives.

Allowing 17 points in todays NFL against a high powered offense is a great defensive game regardless of statistics. I think it's kind of funny how Dolphin fans can talk about how we need to fix certain aspects of our defense yet are also the first to say defense doesn't matter.

Yes we are in an offensive era in the NFL, but having a defense that can play the pass well is a HUGE advantage given the fact that....hey we are in an offensive era. Anything you can do to bolster your own offense while slowing the other down is still important.

Maybe a defensive team didn't win the Superbowl per se but two did reach their championship games. Also you can not argue the 49'ers lost because of the way they are built. They lost the game on special teams.