Chad Henne in the WCO

Yeah, but even that took almost a year to happen !!

 

i have always been and remain a believer that Henne is better than he got in his 1st 2 years here .... last year is irrelevant.

say what you wish, but i'd be surprised if both BAL and the JESTS don't show interest in him. with a good offense, i still believe he can be at least as good as Flacco (still vastly over-rated on a winning team) ... and Henne right now today is better than Sanchez. Plenty of other teams such as ARI and CLE ...

the dude will get another chance - and given the right situation, will succeed.

none-the-less, i have to believe Flynn is COA #1 for Philbin ... followed by Moore, and then the draft. unless RGIII falls in our laps, i see us trading down slightly and not drafting a QB in rd 1.

 

Accuracy and Mobility and Arm Strength, Henne has those, Qb IQ is a different matter altogether

A Qb has 2 seconds to scan the field, asses opportunites, and then pull he trigger and get the ball out by second #3, Henne had problems doing that, MMoore did not, but he'd hold onto the ball, this is not acceptable in the SBO.

 

I doubt that heavily gunn, look at teams like the Bears, they were down to Josh McCown, Henne maybe is, maybe not, a Starting Qb in the NFL, he is better then McCown hands down, or Tyler Palko, or Charlie Whitehurst, or Billy Volek etc

 

I don't think Henne's career is over yet. I think he might have shown a bit this year that he can adjust his game. That said, his time here is up. Philbin, by all accounts has been received here very well, but if he comes out and says he'd like to keep Henne on, even as a backup, the honeymoon would immediately at that point be over, fini, done with the fan base, again, not that I totally agree with it, but most every fan right now does. Can you imagine the uproar if we go into the season with Moore and Henne as our #1/#2 QBs ??

The cost of getting what the fan base perceives as a better QB is going to be very, very steep. It will likely eat into Philbin's ability to plug the other roster and talent holes we have besides QB.

Back OT: I too, disagree with your assessment of Henne and the WCO. Accuracy has always been an issue with him. Think about how many times he's put the ball on the wrong shoulder or too far inside or too far outside the receiver. The slant and crossing patterns are a staple of the WCO and Henne's inaccuracy there is apparent. Mobility ?? Henne displayed much better pocket awareness this season than in past seasons, but that isn't mobility. He's not very accurate on the run, I'm not sure where you got that from. He's still stiff when he rolls out. He's learned and he's improved, but mobility can't be taught...you have it or you don't. That is also a staple of the WCO for a QB. Last and probably the most important issue in a WCO QB is decision making. That is Henne's worst attribute as a QB. He followed Daboll's instructions this season and it may have appeared that he was better at decision making, but he really wasn't and now he'd have to re-learn all those break points and reads that he more or less memorized with Daboll's offense. I see this as his least best area of adjustment to the WCO and the most important in a WCO QB.

Sorry, I just can't agree that Henne is a good candidate for the WCO. The only thing he has going for him is his arm strength and ability to make every throw.

 

Ross has made it very clear that now that the team has a new coach, the next priority for the team is to find or develop a franchise QB. I read through your review of Henne and while you may be right that he might be effective in a WCO, I just don't see him getting the chance in Miami to prove it.

I think that Ireland and Ross have seen enough of Henne during his time as the Dolphins starting QB and they have already determined that he is not the QB they are interested in for the teams future. If Henne wants to prove that he is a starting caliber QB in the NFL, it will be with another NFL team and certainly not as a member of the Dolphins.

I think that the starting QB for the Dolphins next year will be either Flynn, or possibly Peyton Manning, if he is released by the Colts and he passes his physical. Moore will be the backup and the third QB will most likely be a young QB the Dolphins draft in the middle to late rounds of the 2012 draft.

So even if Henne wanted to return to the Dolphins, he would probably be no better then the third string QB on the depth chart. He has stated that he wants another chance to be a starting QB in the NFL. That chance will not be with the Dolphins, so it is best for all concerned that he signs with another NFL team if he wants the opportunity to be the starter he wishes to be.

A fresh start with a new team is what Henne needs. You just have to accept that he had his chance in Miami and it just didn't work out. Perhaps he will be picked up by a team which runs a WCO and we can all see if you were right in your analysis of how effective he could be in this type of offense.

 

Also notice how the RAC of his receivers tend to be low

 

Peyton Manning ?? Not a WCO QB at all...not even close. I'd still change the O to incorporate him into the team, though...

 

We want to go forward not backward. There is no future with Manning.

 

I think Flynn is a "no brainer" in deciding who to pursue as the next QB of the Dolphins. Makes so much sense to sign Flynn a 1st grader could figure it out. Henne would be option #2 imo. Henne showed tremendous growth this year before he was injured. Fans had a short leash after the previous two years under Henning's system. But Henne was the best player on the field the first 3 games of the season in a Dolphin uniform....other than Fields.

 

There's a reason why I didn't use 2011. It's a statistical blip of less than 4 full games. 2010 and 2009 are more indicative of a trend. 2010 he's at about 68%+ and 2009 he was well over 70%.

If you're going to use statistics, know how to use statistics properly.

 

I am just trying to understand what exactly you are saying. That is why I asked what you classify as short and intermediate and what time period you are speaking of. Which even in your response you failed to do (you never clarified what is short versus intermediate). So please stop belittling me for your lack of clarity. But thanks for the nugget of wisdom buddy. But here is a nugget of wisdom for you buddy old pal old friend'o'mine. Isolated statistics sometimes tell you WHAT happened but not WHY it happened. This will be relevant in the last point of this post.

I think I see the difference in my calculations versus yours. You are including his "behind the line of scrimmage" passes while I am omitting them. Passes behind the line of scrimmage ( I assume would be WR, RB, or TE screens ) and should tend to have high percentages of completions by all QB's. If you include the 'behind the line of scrimmage' passes he is around 70% in 2010 but if you omit them he drops to 61% in 2010 and 58% in 2009. The majority of passes in the WCO is going to be past the line of scrimmage so that is why I tend to leave out that particular segment.

Also remember in the 2009 & 2010 season many people called Henne "Captain Checkdown" in my mind there is a difference between throwing a short timing route to your primary & secondary receivers and hitting the check down after all the other reads were made.

 

I am sure if Manning is healthy and the Dolphins are able to sign him, they will build the offense around what he does best. If the WCO isn't suited for his QB style, I have no doubt that Philbin and the next OC will be smart enough to go away from the WCO and put in an offensive scheme that best suits the strengths of one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL.

 

Perhaps you need to send Ross a memo on that. Because he was the one who stated that the number one priority of the Dolphins, now that they have a head coach is to go out and find a franchise QB. It was reported in the Miami Herald this morning ,that Manning is on the teams radar if he is cleared to play football again and if the Colts decide to release him and go with Luck as their starter next season.

Like you, I would prefer a young stud QB who will be the starter for the next 10-12 years. Ross believes the Dolphins are a franchise QB away from being a playoff team. So it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he makes a run at Manning if the opportunity arises and Manning is healthy enough to play in the NFL next year.

 

Henne sucks!



































That is all...

 

When you have the options of RG3, Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn...if we bring back Henne i'm pretty sure the fanbase would go from optimism to disaster.

Matt Moore is signed, no reason to bring back Henne. Manning, RG3, or Flynn. Let the Jets sign Henne as a backup. Ireland wanted to sign Kyle Orton to replace Henne, he's not going back there.

 

Chad Henne is as good as gone, and for good reason considering he blows. Chad Henne would never work in a WCO. A WCO QB has to be able to hit his receivers in stride, placing the ball in the best spot for them to be able to pick up YAC. Chad Henne's ball placement is horrific. A WCO QB has to have great timing, throwing before WR's make their cuts. Chad Henne's timing is horrific. Don't even get me started on Henne's horrific decision making and his sporadic at best accuracy.

 

As tired as I am with the Henne project, and while I seriously doubt Philbin would press an issue, that would step on the owners toes, I can't deny Henne's potential, "still" remains a mystery, and that it would sting to high hell if he exploded elsewhere. If Philbin somehow brought in Clements, and they both wanted him back, seems to me it would be tough for even Ross to deny them.

I do see it as highly unlikely he's a Dolphin next September, and I wouldn't bet against Ross, outright vetoing such an idea.

 

I think Chad Henne has multiple accounts on this site.

 

I'm not a big fan of Henne's body of work, but I'd offer him a low cost incentive laden contract to come back. Would he accept it? Probably not. I'm sure he's going to be looking for a fresh start with a different team and a less fickle fan base. Henne isn't a good starter in the NFL but he's a good back up. Better than a lot of teams have anyway. With our dearth of talent at QB since 1999 I personally feel it would be foolish to let Henne, or any physically talented QB with NFL starting experiece, walk without at least trying to retain him. With a properly structured incentive laden contract if he comes back and rides the bench we wont have to pay him much, and if he comes in and wins the starting job then that's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

I wonder what Carolina fans were saying about Matt Moore's future after then end of last season.


It won't be for Miami, but Henne will be an NFL starter in 2012, and his new team will give him a better opportunity to succeed than he ever saw during his first 3 years under Henning. Seattle got insufficient production out of the WRs/TE they invested a heavy combination of money and draft picks on. That talented group, when healthy, would benefit more from Henne than the garbage they currently have.

 

I think Carolina fans are too busy talking about how exciting Cam Newton was to care that Matt Moore helped the Dolphins beat the Bills and Chiefs and two downward-spiraling .500 teams. That doesn't have much to do with Henne anyway.

There were still Dolphins fans who wanted to give John Beck a shot before the 2008 season...

 

Just like John Beck!

 

Beck was a 2nd round reach; Henne was widely considered as 1st round talent that would need some time to develop.
Beck's physical limitations and low ceiling leave him in a class below Henne.

 

It's a solid argument, but no thank you.

I think it's a stretch to say Henne will be given a starting gig next year. He may be brought in to compete and win it overtime, but he won't be brought in as the starter.

For me, you just clean the slate. He didn't work here and he wasn't good enough. Move on.

 

Henne was drafted near the end of the 2nd round. He obviously wasn't considered a 1st round talent by those whose job depends on it, and obviously they were right since Henne blows.

 

At least he performed better in his limited time this season than 6 or 7 of the 9 2007-20010 1st round QBs.

 

Oh yeas, reality is Henne is 90% out the door atm, even when Harbaugh stuck with Smith, he made it clear that he wanted Smith back all along, Philbin and the Front Office is saying nothing of the sort with Henne, strategically Philbin would be smart to talk up Matt Moore just to through some smoke out in terms of trading for a Qb or moving up to take one in the draft.

 

Really, a Chad Henne thread? Didn't see that coming. Moore is a better QB than Henne and it's not even close.

 

Henne will be in the NFL next season. Starting? I dont know about that. Henning is not the only one at fault for Henne's development. Henne had a lot to do with it as well.

 

LOL, stop reaching Todd. Henne was no more considered 1st round talent than Beck

 

Exactly, not many QBs with 'first round talent' fall almost to the third. Were there Chad Henne drug rumors we never heard about or something? There is a small chance of Henne starting somewhere next season. Some team may be desperate enough, I mean hell Rex Grossman and John Beck got some starts with the Skins this season.

 

Henne could start in Washington except they're in a good spot to draft a far better prospect.


I mean, he sure could start somewhere but it's not like teams are going to be throwing bundles at him and he will be competing for that starting spot no doubt.......

 

I'm not reaching, Oz. Kiper & Drew (TheHuddleReport) are 2 off the top of my head who had him with a 1st round talent grade..... and CBS NFLDraftScout had him as a potential late 1st rounder. He was considered a potential 1st rounder ever since he stepped foot on Michigan. Beck received considerably less 1st round talk than Henne.

 

Cmon, Oz. He had the unanimously most-talented arm of the 2008 draft and is now reaching the mental maturity to accompany it. We're so quick to forget how promising he looked in 2009 before Henning & Sparano got inside his head.

 

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But he never did.

 

I dont mean to negatively debate your opinions but where on earth are you seeing this in Henne.

 

I was a Henne apologist, and I just don't see it anymore. He is just missing "it." Now, as others have, you could make the argument that if Alex Smith can come around (after 7 years), then why can't Henne. You can make the argument that Henne had been more successful (before this year). But that's a big leap if you ask me.

Kid has lots of talent, but he's just missing the "it" factor that none of us can accurately describe, but we all know what "it" is when we see it. Never say never I guess, but I would think Philbin (and Ireland at this point) aren't going to even hang their third-best hat on Henne. Henne, if he is to become a decent QB, will have to do it elsewhere.

 

Agreed. I`ve been saying all along Henne is missing something that prevents him from becoming a good solid NFL QB.