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Bowles and McCoy believed to be 2 Finalists

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CallMeDaddy, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    We went from thinking we would have the pick of Gruden, Cowher, or Fisher to this? This coaching search is a ****ing joke. It's Ireland searching for another spineless patsie.
     
  2. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Don't blame Stephen Ross and Jeff Ireland for your own misconceptions. We've never had a shot at Gruden or Cowher and we've always been the second choice of Jeff Fisher.

    I'm not exactly a huge fan of Ross or Ireland myself, but we've reached the point where the guys could walk on water and half the forum would say, look at those stooges, they can't even swim.
     
  3. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Everyone on this board at one point or another thought Gruden or Cowher would be possibilities here. Don't paint a picture that I was the only dummy who was thinking this.

    As to the second point, that's a pile of bull****. GMs and owners who win are praised. Ones that don't aren't. It's the same with every team.
     
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  4. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    I didn't, but that's not the point. The point is that this idea has always been wishful thinking, and while it's frustrating to see your nice little bubble burst by reality, it's a wee bit silly to blame reality for being, well, real.

    Aye. But they should be blamed for stuff they did demonstrably wrong. None of us, however, has any kind of clue about Philbin's, Bowles' or McCoy's head coaching ability. Not even an inkling. Unless you think it's always a bad idea to hire a young and pretty much unproven HC (Harbaugh, McCarthy, Peyton et al would disagree) you're simply not in a position to evaluate the coaching search until you've actually seen the eventual winner perform as a HC. As much as we like to look at the stuff these candidates have been doing in their past roles - how did their defense rank, did they develop a QB, was their playcalling creative - the truth of the matter is that it's all Peter Principle and bears little causation to HC success.
     
  5. CaribPhin

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    Being wrong with the majority doesn't make you less wrong. How many other teams have had a pick at Cowher or Gruden? There was no indication beyond fan speculation that they were available, and a bad report here or there as well. Just because the board proper thought something that was untrue, does not mean you can turn around and blame that on Ross or Ireland.

    And of the available candidates, these are the top choices after Fisher. Somehow they're interviewing the top choices for the job and it's still a problem. Before Gruden, Cowher, and Fisher were big names, they weren't big names. How is it a bad thing that they're hiring people who aren't big names if they're potentially good coaches?

    And the funniest things are the posts where someone isn't "excited" or would prefer another coach as if they've done an in depth coaching study and personal profile to know anything about these coaches.
     
  6. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    The thing you guys don't realize is that I made the quote from a fan perspective. So, yes we were wrong about the availability of Cowher and Gruden. All of us. Even many of you who will claim to always have known there was no chance they would ever coach our team or any. I'm saying it's a real kick in the dick to expect that and get what we're going to get. Whether it was wishful thinking or not.

    And I know you guys will defend Ireland until/unless he's finally fired. But the fact remains he's a big reason several coaching candidates, whether they're more qualified or not, don't want to coach here. So we'll get Ireland's hand picked coach. Which I hope works out, but my fear is he'll be a puppet much like Sparano was for Parcells. Only time will tell. I hope I'm wrong to be woefully unimpressed by these candidates.
     
  7. Fin D

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    Horse crap.

    If a fan expects us to trade the Pats for Brady, and it doesn't happen, then it makes sense for me to blast our FO for not making it happen? When does reality play a part in all this?
     
  8. jsizzle

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    I could watch the penguin slap the other one all day!
     
  9. jsizzle

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    I want Philbin. We need somebody who can develop a QB. I like what he has done with Rogers, lol!
     
  10. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I'm not saying we should necessarily blame the FO for not fulfilling the expectation if it's in fact unrealistic.

    I'm saying that when the majority of a fanbase has an expectation and that expectation is not met, it's damn disappointing. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I will blame Ireland for being the reason this franchise was not able to land it's top realistic coaching option. Whether it's a blessing in disguise remains to be seen.
     
  11. Fin D

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    Yet it does translate to getting on forums, comment sections, and sports radio and blasting the FO for bogus reasons. How does that help the team? How does that show support? How does that make us an attractive destination? How does that put butts in the seats?

    This attitude that so many here have adopted is the single biggest problem this franchise has. It puts us on par with Jets fans.
     
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  12. ATLFINFAN

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    I'm not trying to argue, BUT...................all I can remember hearing is SPECULATION that Ireland MIGHT be a hindrance for some coaches to come here. So, How is this a FACT, as you state. What did I miss.
     
  13. Fin D

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    Because when you become emotional you can pretend that Fisher wanting power is the same as Fisher refuses to work with Ireland.
     
  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Oh that's just rich. You defend Ross and Ireland, the men in direct charge of this franchise to the death, and now you're blaming the fans as this teams biggest problem? Really? We're the reason this team hasn't found a QB in over a decade? The fans are the reason this team hasn't won a playoff game since 2002?

    Ok.
     
  15. finsincebirth

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    Yes. Frankly your drafts have been poor for the last few years. If you wiff on top prospects again we may have to let you go MonstBlitz :tongue2:
     
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  16. Fin D

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    Actually, Ross & Ireland aren't the ones that have missed on QB's for decades. Best we can tell, the only year Ireland had all the say, he brought in Moore, which is the best QB we've had since Ears. This year remains to be seen what he can get us.

    So fans have no bearing on anything?
     
  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Don't dodge the question. You said fans were the biggest problem this franchise has. Are you honestly saying that fans have more to do with wins / losses than the owner and general manager of this team?
     
  18. Fin D

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    I didn't say fans are the problem. I said this BS attitude is the problem.

     
  19. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Ok, let me rephrase my question:

    Are you honestly saying that the BS attitude of fans has more to do with wins / losses than the owner and general manager of this team?
     
  20. gunn34

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    What "fact" do you have? You're coming off as a spoiled child twisting things because some other coach didn't want to come here.

    EDIT: I'm not calling you a spoiled child.
     
  21. Fin D

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    No, I'm saying its our biggest problem. You are saying wins and loses.
     
  22. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    And this "BS attitude" is your opinion of a "BS attitude", so let that be known.
     
  23. jw3102

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    Based on the comments of Fisher yesterday, it appears unlikely that the Dolphins job would be of much interest to the better qualified coaches in the business. He stated that he decided to take the Rams job because he was looking for a team with strong ownership and a young QB for the future.

    It is obvious by Fisher going to the Rams that he feels Shahid Khan, who has owned the Rams for less then a year, is a stronger owner than Ross. He was also taking an indirect shot at Ireland, who has been the Dolphins GM for four years and still hasn't drafted or signed a young QB who a new HC feels is the QB of the future for this team. Fisher took less money to become the HC of the Rams. So when you look at the coaches still up for the Dolphins job, it should be no surprise to anyone that the top tier coaches have no interest in the position with the Dolphins and whoever is finally chosen as the Dolphins next HC will probably end up being another Tony Sparano.

    So far, I am not impressed in the least with the direction Ross seems to be taking this organization.
     
  24. GreenMonster

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    I hope we sign Bowles, something just tells me that players would love to play for this guy.
     
  25. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Fixed
     
  26. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    The players loved to play for Tony, FWIW
     
  27. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You said it's "the single biggest problem this franchise has."

    Problems for a franchise result in a losing team.

    So let me ask again, is "the BS attitude of fans" really the biggest problem this franchise has? Is that why we are losing games? Moreso than the players, the GMs, the coaches, and the owner?
     
  28. Fin D

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    Again, you're making **** up.

    The single biggest problem for our franchise doesn't mean wins and loses. It means its the biggest problem to overcome. Winning doesn't stop it, people were still *****ing when went 11-5.
     
  29. jw3102

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    I give you credit for taking the positive view of the present head coach search the Dolphins are under going. I on the other hand have seen nothing from the Ross/Ireland duo which makes me believe that they have any idea how to effectively run an NFL franchise. I fear that until Ross finally decides to sell the team, the Dolphins football team and the fans of the Dolphins are in for a long period of total frustration with the organization.

    So far he has showed me nothing as an owner which makes me think he has the slightest idea what he is doing. It is now up to him to prove me and the thousands of other season tickets holders who failed to renew our season tickets last season, that we are wrong about him as an owner. Until he shows that he actually has a clue about how to properly run an NFL franchise, season ticket sales will continue to plummet.
     
  30. Fin D

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    Specifically what have you seen.
     
  31. Phinatic19

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    Is it possible to have Todd Bowles as DC and Mike McCoy as HC AND OC?
     
  32. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Sorry, I went on line to see who the owner of the Rams was and the article which came up was from February 2010, in which it stated that the majority ownership of the Rams was being sold to Khan. I guess I should have gone to the Rams web site and I would have seen that Kroenke is the actual owner of the Rams. Thanks for correcting my misinformation in my statement above.
     
  33. AdamC13

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    This post reminded me how clueless most fans thought Ireland was in preseason for not giving up a high draft pick and big contract to get Kyle Orton this year...:lol:
     
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  34. AdamC13

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    Philbin was brought in for a second interview yesterday. If the plan is to go after Flynn in free agency then hiring Philbin is the way to go as Miami makes the transition to a west coast offense.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/18/2595430/dolphins-interview-philbin-again.html
     
  35. Rocky Raccoon

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    Honestly, I'd like to just keep Bowles at this point. The players love him and played hard for him. It gives us some continuity and you can keep the defense as is. He did a really good job during his interim stint. The man deserves a shot.
     
  36. jw3102

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    I have seen a team which has gone from an 11-6 record four years ago to a team which has been 20-28 over the three seasons in which he has been the majority owner of the team. As a season ticket holder for 40 years, until I finally gave them up after the 2010 season, because of my frustration with Ross. I saw more and more empty seats throughout the stadium and a larger percentage of the fans who did attend the games were fans of the opposition.

    I see him having faith in a GM who I, and thousands of other Dolphin fans do not believe is qualified to be an NFL GM. At the end of last season he flew to California to interview another head coaching candidate, while he still had not fired the head coach he already had. He then came back to Miami after failing to hire Harbaugh and signed Sparano to a two year extension of his contract. Therefore he now owes Sparano millions of dollars over the next two years because of stupidity.

    Ross obviously is a very intelligent man, because he has made billions of dollars in a business he understands. Yet all the owners in the NFL are rich and intelligent. This doesn't mean that they are all good at owning or running an NFL football team. Based on what he has accomplished as the owner of the Dolphins since becoming the majority owner of the team, he certainly has to be considered as one of the worst owners in the entire NFL.

    I would like to know specially what Ross has done in his time as the Dolphins majority owner which makes anyone think that he is a good NFL owner?
     
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  37. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    The goal of any NFL franchise isn't winning football games?

    Anyway my point is proven. You made a silly statement and are now backpedaling.
     
  38. Dorfdad

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    No you can't NOLAN is gone...
     
  39. Fin D

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    Your point is proven because you're making up the goalposts.

    Simply put, since Fisher interviewed with us, you haven't made a rational post. That attitude, which shared by too many fans, is the biggest problem this team has, because we can not overcome that. It keeps butts from getting in seats. Nowhere is there a backpedal.
     
  40. PhinsRDbest

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    It's a nice opinion.
     

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