http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Dolphins-to-interview-Broncos-McCoy.html He is an intriguing candidate to me. To be able to retool the entire offense in the middle of the season is pretty impressive.
I know it's not really relevant, but IMO just because he retooled the offense so Tebow could score some TDs doesn't really impress me anymore than Sparano and Henning retooling our team to run the wildcat. Effective? certainly. short-lived success - yes in both cases. what was his success rate in Denver before he had Tebow starting? Was he getting more out of Orton than anyone else has?
I think the difference is Sparano/Henning only implemented the WC package to the exsisting offense. McCoy and Denver pretty much started over with an entirely different offense.
McCoy could be an interesting option. On top of what he accomplished this season with Tebow, he's worked with journeymen QB's in Delhomme and Orton with solid results. And, I think if given the choice, I'd rather have a HC with OC experience (as opposed to a DC). Look, at this point I think it's apparent we're not going to sign the experienced big name HC (ala Fisher, Gruden, Cowher). So, looking at the coordinators on the rise only makes sense. That said, I think NO's OC (Carmichael) may be the better candidate. #1 in yards and #2 in PPG. I realize a lot of that credit goes to Bress and Co., but still.
Does nothing for me. You know what he is? David Lee. Yeah...nothing impressive with Lee. McCoy hasn't has a QB develop under him. His teams have been meh on offense. There is nothing that screams HIRE HIM.
One of the more prolific offenses in the league during his tenure...oh, that's right, Sean Payton is the real OC there ?? That may be a bit harsh criticism on McCoy... EDIT: Ooops...disregard...sorry
Show me development. Show me growth. Don't show me that you can tell a QB to run around until you find a guy open and then try to hit the open man with a pass. There was nothing creative, new, or bold with the Tebow offense. It was playground football. He didn't rewrite the playbook when Tebow became their QB. They threw some option in there and then ad-libed the rest of the way. What few passes Tebow generally completed were usually broken plays or plays that developed long enough with the WR's just running around until they got open. Yeah....McCoy is an offensive guru! Seriously...The best coach for the job was the one we had on the roster, Bowles. He is no worse than any candidate being interviewed. If you are looking for an O coach, then you need to look at N.O. or GB. But then again, those same plays might not work in Miami given Moore is neither Brees nor Rodgers. A lot of their success as OC's is predicated by who they have at QB and the talent around them. Talent is there in Miami at some positions...but if the Saints couldn't figure out how to use Bush, why would the OC coming to Miami be any different? Surely that wouldn't make Bush happy who flourished under Daboll. Keep Daboll and Nolan. Bring in Zimmer as HC and call it a day. Isn't like this team is going to be world beaters anytime soon anyway. Might as well let the players work with who they know and have a Zimmer lead the charge, if Bowles isn't going to be retained.
Ooops...you're right, who was that idiot talking about...sorry...I was thinking of Carmichael when I saw the post I responded to....
Im not trying to come after you or give you a hard time, but you didn't really answer my question. To be fair, my question was for anyone. Why are we busy comparing what plays were called by a given coordinator vs any other coordinator when trying to figure out who will be a great HC? Cam Cameron is a hell of a OC. His offenses work whether they are pass centric or run centric, whether he has a Drew Brees or Rivers or even a Flacco. From everything I read on these boards, he should be our next HC. Obviously he is not HC material. McCarthy's offenses weren't all that special, yet he's been pretty damn good for GB. I guess my point is, what are the actual differences between Cameron and McCarthy (or between any crap and good HC)? It doesn't appear to have much to do with success calling plays.
Denver's offense was terrible before Tebow....and after Tebow, this is a huge reach IMO. I'm sorry but the offense Denver was running wasn't new and it wasn't effective if you take away the run. Maybe if we can get Denver's defense and their kicker and pray we pull out games with a late miracle this will be a good hire. This is a joke.
Denver's offense wasn't terrible the two years prior to this when McCoy worked for McDaniels. Orton, when put back in a normal pro style offense, rather than the spread, turned back into Kyle Orton. Then they completely changed their offense again for Tebow. All in all, McCoy was asked to put square pegs into round holes under Fox, when he didn't have to do that under McDaniels. McCoy also had success while in Carolina with bith Delhomme and our very own Matt Moore. Their rankins were not spectacular, but were pretty good all things considered in carolina. Plus the guy is very young. If he already has the leadership skills, he can certainly develop his philosophy as we move forward.
Not at all, he was pretty much the same Qb, beat the undefeated Chiefs as well, about 80 Qbr, but 9 Td's to 9 int's, in 8 games. To me, if they liked Orton in the preseason he did not do anything during the season to remove that like for him, and he's cheaper now. He was waived in a calculated gamble by Elway, he saved money when KC picked him up, then watched KC led by Orton beat the Broncos. I like his youth as well.
Mike McCarthey's offense when he was OC in 2005 was ranked dead last in the NFL in points scored and yards gained. He got hired after that year by Green Bay as HC and that turned out ok. Judging head coaching ability by the performance of an offense that candidate is OC for is a very poor measure as so many other variables are in play; both in terms of characteristics that a good HC needs, and the talent and environment of the offense they were OC for.
I've had to give this one some time to sink in before offering an opinion on it. McCoy was able to do just that, re-tool the offense to fit his talent in mid-season to create success. Now a couple have compared that to Sparano and Henning coming up with the Wildcat however, consider this... Don Shula was ALWAYS a run first, smash mouth football coach, using the run to set up the pass, Larry Csonka and Jim Kiick for example, but one of the things that made the Don so great of a head coach was his ability to adapt. When Marino became the starter for the Dolphins, Shula had to adjust his play calling, knowing his offense was more pass oriented with Marino than it had been with Woodley. Shula made the adjustment and the rest is history. Shula demonstrated flexibility, something I think some of our past coaches haven't been able to and since then, we've been near the bottom of the barrel. Although i don't know if McCoy is the right man for the job, he does possess that one quality it seems that is vital for being successful....being able to adapt. Unfortunatley with Tebow, there was only so much McCoy could adapt with what he had. Perhaps the Dolphins would give him more options than he had in Denver.
Yeah, the thing with Denver is that while the world was looking at how poorly Tebow played against the pasties, the Denver D couldn't stop anything NE was doing and Brady was probably the best I've ever seen him, which is saying something cause he's certainly played at an elite level for quite a while. I agree that McCoy did some nice things with that whole offense once Foxy was convinced that Tebow had to be his guy. That said, remember that McCoy has been with Foxy for a long time, who is a disciple of....you guessed it, Parcells.... With that in mind, it could be an easier transition for McCoy to a HC job, having a good portion of the style of team he's likely to want to run in place...
And if you look at Tebows and that Offense's turn-around, IMHO, you will see that there was NO turn-around... Tebow's 5 out of 7 game winstreak was mostly a result of the Denver Defense not allowing more than 15 points a game...Tebow's Offense did not score more than 18 points in any of those 5 games... Now with Orton, the Denver D allowed more than 22 points in 4 out of the 5 games he started... Now, what McCoy would have done re-arranged the O, so that there would be basically more running schemes (which include the OL) and very little passing attempts... This type of Offense as we know, has to depend highly on their Defense to limit their opponents from scoring many points... Of course against ateam like the Pats, a slow rushing Offense will never keep up with an opponent that has a jaugernaut for an Offense...
