I know a couple guys were concerned about RG3's commitment to professional football. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/st...rt-griffin-iii-telling-baylor-bears-going-pro I know a lot of people keep saying Washington will trade up for him. But what stops us from hitting first? Most likely will only need to trade with Minny to get him.
No surprise at all RG3 is turning pro. Would be almost impossible to repeat the year he had and it isn't like Baylor is assured of challenging for the National Championship next year. Too many holes to fill still. Now that rookie salary caps are in check trading up for the #2 will be EXPENSIVE in draft picks. I honestly don't think Miami has the talent or depth on the team to afford the luxury of moving up from #8/9 to #2.
I don't know about you guys, but I would love to have him in a Dolphins uniform for the next 10-15 years or so. He is a winner and seems to be dangerous both in the air and on the ground. It looks like it would be a good move to me.
I'm not interested in giving away picks/players to move up for him. If he somehow fell into our lap at 8/9 fine. But the only QB I'd be willing to trade a sh*tload for is Andrew Luck.
I think whoever gets RG3 will have to trade with the Rams to get him. The Rams have many needs on their team and unless they are totally sold on just one player in the draft, I see them wanting to trade the pick for a stock pile of picks from another team. Washington has shown in the past that they will do what is necessary to get the player they want. So it would not surprise me in the least if the Redskins don't make a better offer to the Rams than the Dolphins. What also would not surprise me is the Browns trading their two first round picks this year, plus a second round pick to the Rams to move up two spots and they end up taking RG3. He would certainly be a major upgrade for the Browns at the QB position and it does not appear that the Browns front office is sold on McCoy as the QB of the future for the Browns.
We finally agree on something. Seems most fans and internet draft gurus believe the Skins or Dolphins are who is going to trade up for RG3 and the Browns are going to stand pat and take Trent Richardson. If this is really a QB driven league as most contend, then why would the Browns not want to upgrade from Colt McCoy? He's worse than Moore and no better than Grossman. They could trade with the Rams, and the Rams get an extra 1st this year and still get Blackmon.
Didn't say it correctly. If RGIII doesn't declare, there's more non-QB talent being selected in front of us. With him declaring, one more person crowding the top 10 picks to give us maybe a better BPA.
Impossible to know since no HC for the Rams, but if their short list of players is Kalil and Blackmon then I can't imagine they trade with anyone other than Cleveland or it would have to be a sweet deal...too sweet for what the Dolphins can offer without mortgaging their future. As much as I like RG3 it just wouldn't be worth it imo. Don't see Miami having a chance unless RG3 doesn't get drafted top 4 and Miami makes a trade with TB which would probably cost 1st and 2nd or 1st this year and next +...
I'd rather draft Reiff, Upshaw, Kirkpatrick, DeCastro or Jeffrey, then trade up from our 2nd round pick to the late 1st and take Weeden. Some team is going to give Flynn a Kolb sized deal and I hope it isn't us.
yeah, that 6 TD performance may have priced him out of our range. I do wonder who's going to break the bank for him. maybe the Jets? they seem desperate enough
Can't imagine spending more than our 3rd round pick on Weeden...29 years old, had the best group of WRs in college. Spending our 2nd plus additional picks to draft Weeden...ugh, that would be disappointing.
They say they are committed to Sanchez. How many teams in the running really? People say Kolb's contract will drive up the price, but idk that may keep the price down...teams may look at that Cardinals predicament as to why not to offer that type of contract. May end up being incentive loaded which isn't bad. At least, he would have to earn it.
I am just afraid of the Justin Blackmon effect. He may have single-handedly made Weeden a top prospect.
This is what I've been saying he's henne 2.0 lets just hope Blackmon doesn't randomly get butterfingers in the NFL like edwards did. I honestly want nothing to do with Weeden I rather take a flyer on R.Wilson If he comes out
Why couldn't it just as well be the other way around? Having Weeden throwing to him made Blackmon a top prospect?
I watched a couple of games, most notably the bowl game against Stanford. That game was all Blackmon. Weeden doesn't break his tackles and run 30 yards for TD's. Usually when a QB has 3 TD's to the same guy, it's better for the receiver than the QB.
It could be that way. But if I was betting man, and I had to wager a mortgage payment on it, I'd side with Justin Blackmon.
LOL, Yes it is strange to see that you and I have found something we agree on. The fact is though that I think you and I agree on the most important item regarding the Dolphins, which is that both of us want to see the Dolphins return to the status they enjoyed during the Shula years. Our main disagreement concerns Jeff Ireland and whether or not he is a quality GM. I don't feel he is and you do. I do respect your opinion, even if I strongly disagree with you on this issue. In fact as much as I disagree with you in regards to Ireland, I sincerely hope that I am wrong and that the problem with the Dolphins was all coaching and that Ireland is a much better GM then I give him credit for. I would love nothing more than to see the Dolphins succeed next year under a new coach and you be able to tell me, "I told you so". To see the Dolphins finally turn this team around and once again become relevant in the NFL, certainly is what is important to you and me. So I hope you are right in your assessment of Ireland, because if your not, we will probably be conducting a new search for a GM and head coach in the next few years.
Pretty much sums up my feeling too. I hope I get to eat a big heaping pile of crow in the near future regarding Jeff Ireland as well.
I see a lot of risk in RGIII. I see much less risk in Weedon. Actually when I watch Weedon the comparison that keeps popping into my head is Marino.
If Weedon can play at a high level, even if its only for 5 years, its worth a first round pick, as long as we keep picking a QB every draft. In fact, if we land Luck, I still say we draft a QB every year.
Weeden has been been an excellent QB at the college level, but Pat White was an excellent QB at the college level also. My problem with Weeden is that he was an excellent baseball player prior to entering professional baseball. Once he starting playing at the higher levels of professional baseball, he wasn't really that good. I think his advanced age and playing against much younger players at the college level has certainly given him an advantage. Also having the top wide receiver in the nation the last two years has certainly been a great benefit to his statistics. I wouldn't mind the Dolphins drafting Weeden in the fourth round if he is still on the board, but I just don't see him being anything but a backup QB at the professional level. At least if the Dolphins don't waste a pick on him until the fourth round, if he doesn't work out, they will not have wasted a first, second, or third round pick on him.
I don't agree at all. Weedon shows elite level accuracy and while most of his offense is timing based, you do see him scan the field and make reads. He also shows natural pocket awareness and moves around in the pocket (Marino-like) to buy time. Basically you're looking at a Blaine Gabbert with better pocket awareness. If he has just average leadership ability, that's enough to make you a potentially elite NFL QB, much less a starter. And I don't see how the baseball thing, if accurate, has any bearing on how he'll do as an NFL QB. Short of an injury or footage of him knocking off a liquor store, I don't see how he drops to the 4th. I fully expect him to go in the first or early second.
But he throws perfect spirals that accurately hit Blackmon in stride. Good QBs can help average receivers more than a great receiver can help mediocre QBs. Not saying Blackmon is anything less than a great receiver, but it seems ludicrous to me to give him all the credit and dissing Weeden's contribution.
Marino and Elway were excellent baseball players too, though of course they never took that route professionally. Just because an athlete wasn't able to advance to the top in baseball has nothing to do with how far he'll go in football. Deion Sanders played both for a while and if there were any correlation, he'd have been the greatest outfielder who ever lived.
I didn't give Blackmon all the credit. I'm saying that I'm afraid that he made Weeden look better than he was. I'm not talking about in stride or out of stride. I'm talking guys having Blackmon wrapped up and he forces he way out of the tackle and then sprints from a dead stop into the end zone.
Don't touch him, let someone else overpay to move up. I'd move for Luck or Barkley but Barkley staying screwed us. I'd take BPA in the first (damn DeCastro would fit in nicely) and try and move for Weeden in the 2nd (maybe trading up) just like Mr. Clean is trumpeting. We get 5 years of high level play from Weeden? Perfect. Start looking for a replacement every year while he gives us a legit quarterback.
Lets say Weeden is only a tier two guy that is made to look bwtter because of Blackmon. Isn't it likely that with a similar wide receiver in Marshal we could get that kind of production that Weeden has shown in school. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
When you say: "He may have single-handedly made Weeden a top prospect", that sure sounds like giving all the credit to me.
