Respect your opinion, but if we're going to go the route of hiring a former coach, why not a guy like Schottenheimer or Brian Billick rather than a guy who didn't do great things in his first stint? So while I can understand you having some reasons for saying maybe Mularkey wouldn't be as terrible as some of us are making it out to be, can you agree he would be a terrible hire in light of the fact that there are arguably much better candidates who have had much more success in the NFL who seem like they would be willing and open to taking the job?
Which Schottenheimer? I'm not a big fan of Billick, but he could be a good hire. I don't know if there are much better candidates. Who do you consider better and why?
Marty. Sorry for not being specific. Judging strictly off their bodies of head coaching work, as a fan, I'd much rather Billick or Marty. Granted I could be wrong, but Mularkey was not very good in Buffalo, wasn't a great offensive coordinator for us, and while Atlanta's offense has done some good things, I wouldn't call that a GREAT offense. In my opinion I just don't see a lot of upside there when compared to other candidates. Honest question, not being snarky but what about Mularkey do you like when comparing him to the other potential candidates?
3rd tho I would prefer Jay Gruden or Tom Clements. I like Clements alot, w Jay Gruden has an edge somewhat. We had it right w sparano but wrong guy. I even thin he could have been right guy had he not been under Parcells spell. but outside Fisher or Jon Gruden I dont like retreads. Jay Gruden has been ariound AFL offenses. He has shown he can lead a bunch of young kids in Cinci. I thin he will be a great great coach in this league and he is new and has the hunger. Same with Clements. I dont get hung up wiith titles, in Buffalo, under Mulary their offense was very good but had avg talent. he developed Rodgers and Flynn in GB so much so that Flynn will cash in this offseason. If we do go after Flynn then I want a Jay Gruden or Clements that show they know qbs and can set them up for success
Same question I posed to Alen. Genuinely curious - What about Mularkey do you like when comparing him to the other potential candidates?
-Has previous head coach experience -Hasn't been away from the game for any extended period of time -Has had instances of excellence as a coordinator (his 1 yr in Miami was clearly his worst but he had to work with Culpepper coming off injury, Cleo Lemon, and f'n Joey Harrington) -Has professional experience as a player -Was smart enough to get out of a situation he didn't like or agree with rather than just taking the easy way out and collecting his paycheck Those are some things I like, and those may not be things exclusive to Mularkey, but I never claimed to want Mularkey more than some other candidates. Just that I'd be fine with him.
Fair enough. Me personally, as a fan whether I think Mularkey isn't exactly a TERRIBLE coach or not, I'll be angry if they chose him over coaches that in my opinion are better qualified.
You can't choose someone who isn't interested, and some people you think are better qualified might not be interested (aside from not necessarily being better qualified). I'm speaking mostly in generalities there just for reference, but realistically we're so far removed from knowing what coaches might be better than others (especially since fit is important, not just ability), it's difficult for me to get worked up one way or the other about any hire right now. Honestly, I'll come around to supporting anyone we hire, even Billick, who I don't particularly want.
Jesus.... I'm scared to death for this franchise's future. The decisions made this offseason determine if we move forward or waste another 5 years and I don't know if I have a ton of faith in who will be making the decisions.
I'm hoping for the Bengals to lose today making Jay Gruden available for interviews. Not saying we hire him but the guy is as good a gamble as any other young coach and he has filled a HC role in other leagues which a number of the coordinators being talked about have not. I think the guy will have a career as an NFL HC at some point. To not include his name on a list of interviews would be negligent IMO.
What's worse, the "ireland lovers" who try to find the good in everything or the "ireland bashers" who try to find the bad in everything?
I agree with CF, we should go after Jay G. he has a done a great job with Dalton and there offense, if the Phins say they are going to do a thorough search, atleast interview him we might just find that young Shula.
You got your wish, the Bengals are DONE. I would love to get Jay Gruden, he could be our Sean Payton.
Is this part of some Rooney Rule process where we have to interview idiots who have no head coaching qualities? If it is good for Ross, if not its time to reorganize our front office.
As I recall, Mularkey did a great job as the Steelers OC, and that was what got him hired in Buffalo.
Honestly, what does Mularkey offer that would make Miami a playoff team? I just don't see him as an upgrade or a positive hire, I would see him as a Status Quo hire. Miami hasn't had a lot of luck with Offensive Coordinators as head coaches. Whats next, consideration with bringing back Saban or Wannstedt or maybe even Cameron?
The only head coach we have hired that was ever an offense coordinator in the NFL would have been Cam Cameron. I'm not advocating we hire Mularkey but some of the bitterness about a simple interview is ridiculous and rather ignorant.
But there can't be when people are throwing around terms like "Ireland supporter" with a negative connotation every time someone tries to find something positive. If you want a middle ground start the effort yourself.
Awesome suggestion. I sure hope Ross takes your wonderful advice and reorganizes the FO, since you know unequivocally who is and who isn't an idiot, as well as know who has no head coaching qualities. Perhaps you can work in the FO so that you can hire us that super bowl bound HC. I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding the right candidate, you might not even have to interview them to pin down the right guy.
Middle ground is boring tho. And instead of using the word "people" go ahead and say "you" It's OK, I can handle it. It's no secret I'm not the biggest Jeff Ireland fan.
Sorry but if we hire Mularky we will completely fill the common notion that this is a bush league franchise with no hope of winning a title. This hopefully is a token interview because it is a joke. I could honestly find us a better coach than this and that is sad to even think about. This is Kotite territory plain and simple.
And this is the downside Griddles, it is easier to see a DefCord or ST Cord having success then an offense guy who has a dubious past in Miami, most forget when Cameron was hired he kept Mularkey as Te coach on the 1-15 debacle. Reason for his interview is they are looking at anyone who has had sucess with developing a young Qb, Matt Ryan fits the bill, so in he comes. Personally I feel that approach is a mistake as you want the best football coach, not the best developer of Qb's as the same thinking went into hiring Cam Cameron, if folks recall, "oh, he developed Brees and Rivers what could possibly go wrong!" Unlike Cameron, Mularkey does have a winning season as a HC, in the NFL, under his belt, this with the immortal duo of JP Losman and Trent Edwards, so there is a track record there.
Personally I could care less if Daffy Duck was our coach. Just win baby, thats all I care about. I knew we were not getting a big name coach. Ross screwed the pooch with his antics and there isn't a legit HC that would trust Ireland as far as you can pick him up and throw him. Evidently St.Louis has offered the keys to the car to Fisher. McDaniels leaving is the first sign. Rams owner did it the right way. Said nothing all season, did not even attempt to BS the fans or anyone, basically let the press strangle themselves guessing what he was thinking and then he acted. We have clown man as owner and GM. Told all of you and people laughed and said what Ross did last year with Harbaugh was no big deal, it was. Crap, the press conference showing Tonys face when Ross tried to snake oil the media into believing Tony was the guy all along was enough to know how that story was going to end. I would say what I really felt about Ross and why I feel it but I would be kicked off the board for posting it. Ross is Ross, great businessman, clownman as a sports owner. Oh well, if we miss out on Fisher maybe Pee Wee Herman will buy a half of one percent of the team. Tod Bowles is about the best we are going to get if Fisher says no. Its like that movie Groudhog day down here with coaches. Keep waking up to the same sad results. Believe me, no matter how much Ross throws at these big name prospects, as long as Ireland is here and Ross keeps trying to make the place a side show, they ain't coming.
People bringing up the Bengals and Jay Gruden. I've got another guy from Cincy I would love to interview, and that is Mike Zimmer.
Yes, but when it comes to comparing coaches that both have previous head coaching experience, I think it's fair and prudent to make a certain amount of assumptions based on that experience. I just don't see Mike Mularkey as being more deserving of getting a second chance than a guy like Billick or even Marty Schottenheimer (sp?). Don't get me wrong, I'm not ready to jump off a cliff because we're interviewing Mike Mularkey. I'm just a little frustrated that guys like Billick haven't gotten a chance to interview while guys like Mularkey are, but maybe that's coming?
