ESPN Radio in St. Louis: Jeff Fisher will accept Rams HC position.

What has my attentiont about the bolded part Muck, is now the Ross/Ireland/Peterson group is more likely to make a mistake in reaction to the criticisms, we've seen this happen time and again with the Redskins, team has a bad yr, Snyder wants to win the offseason, bad football moves like trading for JT or signing Haynesworth follow, team spirals downwards.

This offseason does have some parallels to 2005, our main choice spurned us, we had a good draft choice in a weak draft, with no Qb's, so Wayne H hired the hottest college coach and gave him GM authority and Saban continued the Wanny tradition of horrible draft classes.

Big picture, that is what must be avoided at all costs this offseason.

 

He's never been an NFL exec.

 

Don't we play the Rams next year? Just ensure that we bury their *** next season and keep it moving. I'm hopping on the Bowles bandwagon.

 

If you mean he's got bigger paychecks going for him then yes you're correct. If you mean play on the field no he has not proven he can even be better than Moore. Fisher coached in Texas and then Tennessee. Neither of those places are the midwest.

 

I'll never understand you people.

Just because Fisher chooses the Rams over us, how does that make us a joke of a franchise? There could be any number of reasons he'd choose them over us that would have nothing to do with our owner, fo, talent, etc.

 

I agree completely.

It's not that he wouldn't want to live and coach here. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be taking any time to decide if he didn't.

Just looks like St. Louis can offer more this time around. More power, higher picks, possible franchise QB, weak division.

All things being equal, I'm pretty confident he'd choose South Florida over Missouri..

 

We have things that should balance those things out though. You're talking about a 'franchise' QB who was near the bottom of the league in ESPNs fancy new QBR last season. You're talking about a franchise that has won ten games in three seasons. Miami has a QB who is outperforming the 'franchise' guy and a team that is much more competitive. Our draft pick isn't that bad either. It should be easy to take this job over the Rams job. This is still a head scratcher to me.

 

All truths.

I think a lot of it comes down to power, division and that real high pick.

The Rams were already the favorite going in. I just don't think it's automatically an indictment of this group if they couldn't overcome the odds and sway him.

Whether or not they should have fired Ireland is another discussion IMO.

 

Like?

 

What if the crime is lower St. Louis? Or the schools are better? Or his wife prefers that climate? Or they have family there? Or he prefers a weaker division? Or he wants to coach in a dome? None of that has crap to do with our franchise.

The problem is, you've decided what Fisher's motivations and desires are, then decided we meet all of those desires, but our FO is just so inept he decided to take a different job. The problem with all of that is:

1. You don't know what his motivations are.
2. You don't know what he's looking for in a team.
3. You don't know which team meets 1 & 2 of the things you don't know.
4. You don't even know if he actually took the St. Louis job yet.

 

The reason Fisher will decide on St Louis is because Jeff Ireland is the devil. And he snarks too.

 

I didn't decide anything, I don't need you to make my posts for me.

 

Jeff Fisher hates gingers.

 

The hell you haven't:

That's just off one page. You've decided we're a joke if Fisher signs with St. Louis. Plain and simple and you've done it without a single fact.



and I didn't make any posts for you.

 

Yes it's frustrating that our franchise isn't a top destination anymore. I don't see any reference to the front office and definitely not to Jeff Ireland. Nice try. I knew you would reply with some obnoxious BS like this too, that's the funny part. Molding my posts into what you want them to be.

 

Well, to me, the last point is really the largest question moving forward, 2 yrs in a row we will have whiffed on the owners #1 choice for head coach, the owner is not going anywhere, and the only constant was Ireland's presence at both meetings.

Ireland may be a good GM, if his presence is hurting the franchises ability to hire head coaches, he is in deep trouble.

 

Piss off.

You don't need to make a reference to the FO or Ireland. You pretend we aren't a top destination because Fisher MAY HAVE chose St. Louis over us. You still have no idea why. If you have no idea why, then how can you make the claim we aren't a top destination? This is called logic and what you're doing is called emotional bs.

 

I meant as far as working with the NFL competition committee alongside Rich McKay.

 

Trying to play these games of 'Gotcha!' is indeed obnoxious. I love the indignant 'piss off' reply though. That's a good one.

 

Sigh.

You got attitudinal first.

Secondly, this isn't gotcha. You are saying he chose st louis because of some flaws in us. I'm saying you don't know that. You get all butt hurt and accusatory.

 

I just think you misunderstood what upsets me. I don't pretend to know the reason but it certainly looks at the moment like we might be turned down by our top coaching choice two years in a row. That is frustrating to me. It may not be an actual flaw rather than just St. Louis being better in some regard. I realize that. It's still frustrating and yes a little embarrassing. It may be an arrogant attitude as a fan but I never thought the St. Louis Rams of the world could really compete that well with the Dolphins for FAs and coaches. I was wrong. I wouldn't have imagined that a franchise that seems to always be at the bottom of the league can hire the top coaching candidate available over us.

 

Two names that come to mind immediately are Bill Polian, as long as he doesn't hire his son, and John Dorsey, who has been in charge of college scouting for the Packers for over a dozen years. I would also look at the playoff teams in the NFL and interview the individuals in the organization who are responsible for the college scouting for these teams and are not presently the GM's of these teams.

Ireland has done a lousy job as the Dolphins GM and he was credited with helping the Cowboys select talent when he was part of that organization. Exactly what have the Cowboys and Dolphins done over the last decade which would make anyone believe that Ireland knows what he is doing as a GM in the NFL?

 

Ok, if that is where you stand, than I apologize for my mischaracterization of your stance.

 

Yes, we did not draft any good players, 2008-2011, and all of our free agents were overpaid busts. He must be the worst GM in the history of the NFL.

 

Both of those teams have some pretty good players on them. To be fair.

 

It's cool. It's not the end of the world if Fisher doesn't go to Miami. That's definitely spot on. I just hope that if we end up looking for a coordinator to promote we do a better job this time. It still stings that we let guys like Tomlin, Harbaugh, and Mike Smith go elsewhere in 2007 and 08.

 

I've been saying on these boards over and over, I barely care who get to coach, I just want an all world QB.

 

I have NEVER stated that the Dolphins don't have some good players on this team. What I had always stated is that after four years of making player personnel decisions for this team, there is still a severe shortage of quality NFL talent. That goes right back to Ireland. Perhaps you missed it but the Dolphins have gone backwards since they went 11-5, in 2008.

If you are satisfied with the teams record of 7-9 in 2009 and 2010 , and a 6-10 record this season against one of the easiest schedules in the NFL, so be it. I am not satisfied with the direction the Dolphins have taken with Ireland as this teams GM and there are thousands of former season tickets holders who feel exactly the same way I do.

 

Of course I'm not satisfied, but the problem with Miami was coaching, not lack of talent.

 

Since those kind of QBs don't grow on trees, why don't you just want in one hand and sh!t in the other, and see which one fills up the quickest/

 

You asked me who I would rather have instead of Ireland and I gave you a few names. Obviously you are related to Ireland in some way, since you continue to defend him while the Dolphins continue to regress as a football team. I have no idea if he is the worst GM in the NFL, but based on the record of the Dolphins this past season, he is certainly in the bottom 10 of all the GM's in the NFL.

 

No more new coaches! I'm disgusted with this franchise right now. If Fisher signs with the Rams and the Dolphins once again dissapoint the fan base I am doing what any smart fan should do. If your not happy with the product you stop buying. I am putting my Dolphins fanhood on the shelf for awhile. I am tired of the BS.

 

We just disagree on where the problem lied. IMO, Tony was in the bottom ten of coaches, rather than Ireland being bottom ten of GMs.

 

I agree that PART of the problem was coaching, but where you and I differ is I think the major problem with the Dolphins is the overall talent on the team. That is where I fault Ireland. Perhaps after they get a new coach and the team one again finish below 500 next year, you will actually see who the real problem is with this organization.

I do hope you are right about the coaching being the problem, but I am convinced the real problem is Ireland.

 

I dunno, I guess the same reason that wanting a coach that can consistently win without an elite QB is equally pointless, but lord knows, you keep acting like coaches that have proven they can't over 16 years will somehow magically do it.

 

Whereas I'm convinced the main problem was Tony. Good riddance to the fist pumper.

 

I agree 100%. While some on here state they don't want Fisher as the next head coach. What they seem to be missing is that Fisher is exactly who Ross wants coaching the Dolphins next season. The fact that it now appears that Fisher would rather go to a team with no GM, which finished 2-14 this season, instead of the Dolphins, says a whole lot more about how far the Dolphins have sunk as an organization since Ross became the majority owner of the team.

Like the people he hired or not, the fact is that Wayne Huizenga was always able to hire the coaches and front office personnel he went after. I have no doubt that if Huizenga was still the majority owner and he wanted to hire Fisher, Fisher would be the next HC of the Dolphins. If that means he had to fire Ireland to hire Fisher, Huizenga would fire Ireland in a New York minute.

 

I agree he is only so desirable because he is the only big name coach out there.Do you really want an outdated coach who is going to bring that run,run,run crap we have had for the last 12 years.
We need an offensive minded coach who can hire somebody to develop a qb because that is how you win in this league now by passing the ball.Wake up people fisher is old school.

 

I was no fan of Sparano and I wanted him fired after the 2010 season. Of course I also wanted Ireland fired after the 2010 season. The way I look at it, is Ross has gotten it half right so far. Once Ireland is gone, I will feel much better about the future of the Dolphins.