Looking for what his actual passing yards were in 1984. This removes YAC and creates what is termed "Air Yards". Looking to compare Marino to Brees in this stat category.
Never heard of " air yards " nobody keeps that number. If you want to do research you would have to go back for every receiver that ever caught a ball from Marino and figure out how many yards he ran after the catch and that is impossible because nobody really kept stats like that until about a decade ago.
From what I remember Dan was the recipient of a ton of YAC in 1984. Duper and Clayton were fast! Of course, when you're super-accurate, your WRs are gonna generate a lot of YAC, cause they get the ball in stride and can continue to run.
Just curious...are you trying to find a way to belittle Brees' record in comparrison to Marino's record?
I believe it is an Advanced Stat measure....kind of like Sabermetrics for football, and frankly a stat I would like to see regardless of belittling or not.
Not air yards but... Brees 5,087 yards on 622 attempts...8.18 ypa and 440 completions...11.56 ypc Marino 5,084 yards on 564 attempts...9.01 ypa and 362 completions...14.04 ypc So Marino was +.83 per attempt and +2.48 per completion.
Yeah but there is no official record for anything other than total yardage. Brees deserves it and has one more week to go. I cannot believe people are digging crap up like this and are in denial Brees broke Marinos record. Can't wait to see the crying when a team unseats the Dolphins undefeated team. I can see things like what was average air temp, what kind of cleats did they wear, how much air was in the ball, the rules have changed etc, etc, etc, Give Brees credit, he broke the record, accept it
Who is in denial? This is appreciation of Marino. I never saw the 1984 season and I would wager many in here did not either. Every time I see Brees play, I marvel. To think that Dan may have been even more efficient with his yardage is astounding.
I witnessed the 84 season, I was 35 years old, married with a new born and believe me, the receivers Marino had got mucho MUCHO yards after catch that year. Dan was great but watching both seasons ? Brees was just as good this year with a lot less weapons then Marino had in 84. If you really did appreciate Marino then you would realize it took someone 27 years to break his record. That in itself is an accomplishment. Like I said, love Marino, I also loved Montana but its over, done finished, now we move on. I love the game, not just the Miami Dolphins.
that's awesome that you saw it. I wouldn't say Brees is lacking weapons by any means. The WRs are good and they have Graham and Sproles. Not bad to say the least
Just stated the FACTS. Where did I say Brees doesn't deserve it? Why make crap up I didn't say...it is what it is, Brees broke Marino's record and Marino had a better ypa and ypc.
The real question is how many yards would Marino have with today's offensive minded rules? I mean, if you look at a WR wrong, you're fined by the NFL these days. Defenseless wide receiver? I must be getting old... where's my cane!?
Both qb's had amazing seasons to set the marks they did, but Brees has one thing Dan never really had. A really good running game. I think during the game there was a comparison of both to the league average at the time, and Brees was actually higher rated versus his current competition than Fan was, that kinda surprised me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It boils down to one question. WHO.......with the game on the line, any QB ever, would you want as your QB? Easy one to me
Don't forget to mention if you went across the middle you would get laid out. Marino would easily have 5500-6000 yard season in his prime with the receivers he had. Moore , Duper, Clayton...............their is only a few of those types of guys left. Give Danny a Back like Danial Thomas and then you would really have something special
The fact that it took 27 years and the neutering of NFL Defenses for the record to be broken is good enough for me.
I was 14 and too young too appreciate how good the entire Dolphins organization had been. Had I known the despair of the past 15 years was coming, I would have become a Steelers fan like 1/4 of American football fans in 1970's..
I beg to differ. Tony Nathan was an excellent dual purpose back and AVERAGED 4.8 yards per carry for his career. Look up the stats. That team rushed for almost 2000 yards and had 3 different backs averaging over 4 yards per carry. It was also a team 1 year removed from a Bill Arnsparger defense that was +8 in turnover ratio. It is criminal that Arnsparger is not in the Hall of Fame. It's also criminal that Don Shula never mentions the fact that the further he got from Bill Arnsparger - the worse his teams got. Dan Marino didn't have a running game in the 1990's. He also didn't have a defense (post Arnsparger) until Jimmy Johnson got there for his final years. Bill Arnsparger was in San Diego going to the Superbowl during the same time. This fact cannot be denied: Dan Marino had a COMPLETE team in 1984.
This should give the OP some idea of the YAC then......... [video=youtube;sm3ErTOp0JQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm3ErTOp0JQ[/video] And after watching the various formations, route patterns, and single to multiple receiver sets - I hope nobody else will attempt to convince this fan base that everything has to be perfect for an NFL quarterback to succeed. The fact is you either have the talent or you don't.
The scariest thought for me regarding Marino's '84 season is, what if he played the majority of his games in a dome, like Brees? Conversely, would Brees have put up those types of numbers playing outdoors?
Daniel THOMAS...why??? to have an often injured running back with a 3.6 yard per rush average and 0 rushing tds Marino had better running backs than Thomas Daniel Thomas 153 carries for 553 yrds...3.6 avg...0 tds...10 receptions for 60 yards...1 td Tony Nathan(1983) 151 carries for 685 yards...4.5 avg...3 tds...52 receptions for 461 yards...1td Tony Nathan(1984) 118 carries for 558 yrds...4.7 avg...1td...61 receptions for 579 yards...2 tds Woody Bennett(1984) 144 carries for 606 yards..4.2 avg...7 tds...6 receptions for 44 yards...1 td Tony Nathan(1985) 143 carries for 667 yards...4.7 avg...5 tds...72 receptions for 651 yards...2 tds Lorenzo Hampton(1986) 186 carries for 830 yards ...4.5 avg...9 tds...61 receptions for 446 yards...3 tds Troy Stradford(1987) 145 carries for 619 yards...4.3 avg...6 tds...48 receptions for 457 yards...1 td(( in 12 games)) What Marino needed was a good defense
That's insane.... Marino NEVER had a complete team. Tony Nathan? LMAO... that guy was as slow as molasses and scared no one into having to take the focus off of Dan Marino's passing. We had success running from the OL and the threat of our passing game burning people. Nathan, Woody and Carter were FAR from dynamic backs. I don't care what our defense was the year before either. Chuck Studley had taken over the unit in 84. Studley was no Arnsparger. Our 2 regular season losses the offense scored 28 and 34 points. More than enough to win back then yet we still lost. The defense was an issue. That team was hardly complete. The 49ers were complete in all facets and it showed.
Both sides of this argument are entrenching themselves a little too much IMO. It's completely true that the NFL game today is MUCH different than when Marion played. If you put Marino in the league today at his prime it's a no brainer that he would surpass all his totals. That being said, Brees is an amazing QB and he passed the mark running an offense that completely relies on him. Comparing the two with equal circumstances will never be possible so why even go there. As some said, the record took almost 3 decades to beat. That says enough in itself. Congrats to Brees.
No. Just trying to see who benefited most from YAC. This number could benefit Marino or slaughter him in that regard.
That's the difference between an elite QB and everybody else. That's why you trade the farm for a Luck. The alternative is to try to make everything else perfect often enough to get by with a Moore, a Henne or whomever.
I disagree. YAC isn't something that is a gift to the QB. A truly great QB hits his WRs in stride, so they keep on running and therefore accumulate YAC. This "air yards" stat means nothing, even if Brees has 4,000 and Marino has 3,000 or vice versa. No one keeps that stat cause its MEANINGLESS.
You drove me nuts with this. LOL. Sorry to say I have looked everyplace I could imagine and have come up short with this ' air yard ' stuff. Looking at the one video though, I already deducted about 200 yards for Marino Duper and Clayton were honestly, unreal, aliens from another planet.
You are looking at NUMBERS and not looking at reality and reality is deeper than the numbers. Tony Nathan was not a good running back. He was a decent receiver, good blocker but as a pure runner he was actually quite awful. There is a reason a lot of Dolphin fans preferred Joe Carter as a "pure runner". The only reason we had even serviceable rushing yardage in 1984 was because teams had never seen a passing attack like we had and we laying off or trying new things. No one CARED about our rushing attack. The defense was not good. What they were is front runners. Danny was putting up points so quickly that teams had to go one dimensional early in games. We were not good against the run and our secondary was a mess. This is witnessed by how quickly they fell off in 1985 and how badly they were torn to shreds by the 49ers in the Super Bowl. Don't kid yourself with "numbers", the 1984 team was actually pretty weak. Without Marino they were an 8-8 team. In fact, without Marino and with Shula's poor drafting I'd argue he gets fired before he breaks the record for wins. They would have been historically bad.
