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Matt Moore - Are you a believer yet?!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Moves, Dec 24, 2011.

  1. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    well
     
  2. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Until he fumbles the snap, throws a pick, misses his WR's or RB on a screen, or takes back to back sacks for big losses when he had all day to throw the ball to a WR, or throw it away. Cant wait for that unstoppable excitement.
     
  3. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Okay you keep waiting for the second coming of Marino.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Which is what inexperienced Qb's do, which is one of the maddening things about Matt Moore, he can look as good as anyone in the NFL, then do something that just makes you go "W..T..H"?

    Think about this, he had a QBR of 99.5, but was barely 0ver 50% completion percentage, that is dan hard to do week in and week out, yet MMoore manages to do exactly that week in and week out.
     
  5. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Some of those mistakes are pretty correctable. Hilarious that you put 'throws a pick' in there as if he goes out and throws a lot of picks in games. I guess we can all patiently wait for that perfect QB out there to fall into our laps.
     
  6. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh believe me, I'm not. But you keep throwing around pointless one liners.

    Im just waiting for a QB who's consistent and is worth being a guy to build around, not a back up, or another teams scraps, or a guy who's been cut from two prior teams. Moore started this game cold... heated up... then froze right up... then got a little warm at the end again. you can't win like that.
     
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  7. jw3102

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    Yes, and also remember that New England has the WORST pass defend in the entire NFL. The fact is that Moore let the Patriots back into the game with his fumble and interception in the second half. He did absolutely nothing in the second half until the Patriot defense went into a prevent defense, once they were up by ten points.

    I guess there are just some Dolphin fans who want Moore to be the answer and they can't see the reality. That reality is that Moore is exactly what he was when the Dolphins signed him. A good backup who can come in and play effective enough for the Dolphins to beat some of the other bad teams in the NFL. He is not the QB who is going to bring a team back against the better teams in the NFL and he certainly isn't the answer for the Dolphins at the QB position going forward.
     
  8. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Perfect? Not possible... a QB that does not under throw a wide open WR by 5 yards or so would be nice though. Thanks. He makes alot of nice plays, and then very bad ones. He's similar to Henne, inconsistent.
     
  9. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    That's because he <gasp> throws touchdown passes in every game! Something we haven't seen anybody do in Miami in some time. I guess we're still waiting for the QB who never makes a mistake though. I won't hold my breath. What makes this especially funny that if you took these exact same performances and inserted Chad Henne we would be talking about how we can afford to take other positions in the first round of the draft now.
     
  10. muscle979

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    Or maybe somebody who completes passes into the endzone multiple times in nearly every game? Your welcome.
     
  11. finfaninilinois

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    brandon you just described avery QB in the league except 3 which are brees brady and rogers mabey rothlisberger - the rest you can put in a hat and pick 1 - i didnt get to see the game today but the defense gave up 27 pts in 27 minutes in the second half. How many games now has the defense just choked away this year. is Moore the savior hell no but ya can win with him - if we could add a real good 2 wr and a couple pieces on defense we would be real good.

    the only thing i dont like about Moore is he doesnt really spread the ball around enough - focuses to much on marshal
     
  12. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Matt Moore has zero pocket awareness, and he cannot see the field worth a damn.
    He is not the answer and he never will be.
     
  13. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Big Ben makes mistakes all the time. He's forgiven because he generally makes more plays than mistakes. If we had drafted Matt Moore everybody would be talking about how he is the future here and he's just making these mistakes because he's young. Since he was a FA though he's destined to only be garbage despite how many more TDs than turnovers he produces.
     
  14. brandon27

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    They gave up 27 points in 27 minutes, or whatever it was, because they were on the field the entire half due to the poor play of the QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Two turnovers, and one drive where he took back to back sacks where he had all the time in the world to either make a play, or throw it away.

    Look, folks, im not saying Moore can't play. He makes alot of nice plays, but open the eyes, he's not the QB you want to build around. He's just not good enough, he's a backup. Thats it.
     
  15. padre31

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    This was his 3rd 3 Td game this yr, which possibly has not happened since Marino was our Qb.
     
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  16. muscle979

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    I don't think most people are saying, 'let's forget everybody else and build around him'. I just don't think a lynching of the man is in order yet. He has upside and he's young. Outside of Luck I don't know who else we could draft could beat him for the job next season. It should be a favorable scenario, we get a guy in the first round, start Matt Moore next season and then go with the kid after MM walks in FA. Unless of course MM really just plays with his hair on fire next season, then we'll have an interesting decision. It's not a bad spot to be in though.
     
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  17. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    That's the plan.
     
  18. Disgustipate

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    Matt Moore didn't have a great day with pocket awareness, but at the end of the day that's the secondary reason why we stopped scoring midway through the game, and that pressure he was under should not have been the issue it was.

    You've got to match blockers to defenders, or at least call better plays to mitigate the pressure. We shouldn't be blocking 5 vs. 6+ defenders with a bunch of longer developing routes and Bush on an every-down flare route assignment as your only outlet. Moore isn't looking down the field while the pocket is closing in on him because he's not making reads quick enough, or isn't feeling the pressure so much as it is he's either going to be taking the sack or throwing the ball down the field.

    Daboll is calling plays like he's Brett Favre in his prime. Moore has done a fantastic job finding and completing deep passes, but that shouldn't be your game plan.
     
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  19. padre31

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    Believe it or no M979, this was possibly the best outcome we could hope for, compared to 2010's blowout, we were in this one down to the last 1:43.

    New HC coming in will have pretty much ideal film to study, for which guys he wants, and which he does not want and we have a decent looking Qb prospect heading into 2012, whether we draft a Qb or not.
     
  20. MrClean

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    The defense is at least equally to blame. How many times did the Pats punt in the 2nd half?
     
  21. texanphinatic

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    Moore is an aggressive guy - that is why he is able to put the ball in the endzone. But he does seem to be mistake prone and not be the most accurate guy, which is a concern.

    To put it simply, having an elite QB more and more seems to be a prerequisite for a Super Bowl win in this new era. Is Matt Moore a guy that can outduel Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Roethlisburger and QBs of that level? So far the answer has been no.

    Lost to Eli, lost to Brady, lost to Romo, lost to Vick. Who did he beat? Rex Grossman, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel. That right there is concerning.
     
  22. pacadermng67

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    Brady must suck too since he threw a bunch of passes into the dirt in the first half...

    Moore is a decent QB that had a bad third quarter. I dont think you can say that last drive was against a prevent defense when Moore beat an all-out blitz. Yes he needs to work on his accuracy and game awareness but I dont know that there are too many other options out there.
     
  23. padre31

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    First yr as a starter thou Tx, and once again, we had a lead, the D could not hold it.
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Pats are 15th in points allowed. What counts on the scoreboard, points or yards?
     
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  25. muscle979

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    He hasn't really turned that ball over THAT many times. Even in this 'bad' game he scored more than he turned the ball over. Keep in mind this year he'll get a full offseason as Miami's starter. Hopefully that will benefit him and cut down on some of the sloppy stuff.
     
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  26. texanphinatic

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    He has started before Pads, Moore isn't a rookie and shouldn't be treated as such. Young yes, but that is life in the NFL - you don't have long to show what you have.
     
  27. padre31

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    Moore is at what, 15 Td's to 7 int's?

    I saw some things I did not like from him, saw some things I loved about his game, typical MMoore performance.
     
  28. Destroyer

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    Yes he is 15 tds and 7 INTs.
     
  29. padre31

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    Eh, 10 starts over 4 yrs, 4 of them coming for a dreadful Panthers team?

    I'm not cheerleading for Matt Moore to be the guy in 2012, am trying to keep some perspective of both the good and the bad with him.

    3 3 Td games, highest Qbr since Marino/Griese, but poor ball security and spotty accuracy on the stuff he really should hit on.

    He's Dave Krieg Jr.
     
  30. muscle979

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    Unless we pull off an Andrew Luck megadeal in April you'd think Moore is probably going to be the 2012 starter. We'll see.
     
  31. padre31

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    I could live with that, but not advocating for it, I believe we need more weapons on offense no matter who the Qb is.

    The botched snap, TV guys said "pouncey" radio guys said "pouncey" fans say "moore"

    We'll never know, only the new staff will, ditto the dallas gm.
     
  32. Firesole

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    Dave Krieg, King of the Fumble, Smallest hands in the NFL, Dave Krieg?

    Yeah, Ill pass
     
  33. Stitches

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    Tony Banks isn't king of the fumble?
     
  34. Firesole

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    He very well may be, I just remember that when Krieg was playing that he was the holder of that dubious record. Not something I'd want to compare my QB to.
     
  35. Dorfdad

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    Hes earned the right to compete with our draft pick for starter status next year however Moore hasnt beaten a team with a winning record. We would have won this game except for his carelessness handling the ball. Im ok with him getting a chance, but we still need a better QB!
     
  36. jw3102

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    Yes, and he still hasn't led his team to a victory over a good NFL team. Today when the team needed him to make some plays in the second half, he failed to deliver. The defense didn't do their job in the second half either, but it is up to the offense to put points on the board. Moore continues to show periods of good play, with periods of terrible play in the same game.

    The one thing that can definitely be said about Moore and his play at QB is that he is consistently, inconsistent. Brady and the Patriots offense did not show up in the first half but like every other franchise QB in the NFL, Brady made the plays when it mattered the most. Moore has failed to show that he can be counted on to make the plays to win a game in the fourth quarter. Anyone who thinks that things will be any different if Moore is the QB beyond this season, just doesn't see what the majority of GM's already saw when they didn't try to sign him when he was a free agent prior to this season.

    Moore is an adequate backup QB in the NFL and that is all he will ever be.
     
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    More or less, iirc Krieg holds the record for fumbles lost by a Qb, but he also was a helluva a passer.

    Granted, this is Matt Moore, not Dave Krieg, the two are not clones, just a name that springs to mind

    298 yds 3 Td's 99.5 Qbr, that should win most games.
     
  38. PhinGeneral

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    It's not uncommon for undrafted QB's to take some time to become quality NFL starters.
     
  39. padre31

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    Raiders are in position to win the AFCW with a "W" next week, do they no count?
     
  40. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I stopped reading after the second page, but I'm curious about something for all of you who are down on Moore....

    How many New England drives did Matt Moore stop?
    How many of Tom Brady's passes did Matt Moore bat down?
    How many times did Matt Moore sack Tom Brady in the 2nd half?

    How many of Tom Brady's passes did Matt Moore intercept?

    All of you are so freakinf hung up on Matt Moore that you completely overlook the fact Miami was leading 17-0.
    You completely overlook the fact that Tom Brady WAS 3/14 for 37 yards and a QB rating of 39.5
    You completely overlook the fact that Brady was sacked 3 times in the first half, let alone how many times he was hurried or knocked down.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT DEFENSE IN THE 2ND HALF?????
    WHERE WAS THAT PRESSURE AGAINST BRADY?????
    WHERE WAS THE SWARM ON NEW ENGLAND'S RECEIVERS?????

    It was NON-EXISTENT!!! When Miami's defense laid down in the 2nd half, momentum swung to New England. Tom Brady is not God. Miami PROVED in the first half he is indeed vulnerable. Miami PROVED in the first half he can't just throw the ball at will. Quit riding Tom Brady's jock strap about how great he is or how the quarterback is so freaking vital. With the way our defense just laid down in the 2nd half, Chad Henne would have been able to light up the field the way Brady did. Our defense allowed New England 24 points on 4 consecutive drives. They might as well have just stayed on the bench the way they played.

    I hope whoever we get as our head coach next year also brings us a defensive coordinator that knows how to bring heat on the opposing team's quarterback for BOTH halves of the game.
     
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