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Article: When Brees passes Marino's mark, it deserves an asterisk

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Another great article giving Marino's 1984 campaign the respect it deserves...

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...s-passes-marinos-mark-it-deserves-an-asterisk


    Saying the record will deserve an asterisk might be extreme, but there's no arguing Brees and Marino play/played in completely different eras. As Dolphin fans, we all know this. But it's good to see this get some national media attention nonetheless.

    I really love Brees as a QB and I'm glad he's going to be the one to break the record first. Just wish he was breaking the record as a Dolphin.
     
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  2. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    I agree. Given the era Marino played in, his numbers: TDs, Yards, etc are still by far the most impressive numbers of all time. And he broke all of those records in a single season and was consistently great throughout his career. I drool when I imagine Marino playing in today's NFL.
     
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  3. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Marino is my all-time favorite and always will be, even if we somehow managed to trade up for Luck.
    But Brees in no-way deserves an asterisk by his name. complete and utter garbage to think so.
    Nothing more than us Marino fans trying to somehow hold onto a record. embarrasing.
    can't fans of Unitas say that Marino threw in an era that had much more passing than the 60s, so Unitas' 3500 yards passing should be equated to Marino's 5000?
     
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  4. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    You know what really got me yesterday about this. Not the record (it's not like Marino's '84 loses it's significance because of it), it's that if we had Dan Marino playing today, with today's rules, we'd be the Patriots year in/out. Meaning, the way the rules are today, truly elite QBs can raise the level of their teams beyond nearly any weakness they may have (i.e. the current Pats putrid "defense.").

    BUT, when Danny Boy played with putrid D's in the late 80s, the best his greatness could deliver were 8-8 seasons. Today, those would be 12-4, 13-3, year-in/out. Marino was as elite as they came back then - today, Duper and Clayton would be running free wide open all over the place, with no fear of going over the middle.

    Point being, we lost so many of Danny's elite years due to lack of running game and horrid D. Today, the Pats win their 9th Division title in 10 years, w/ many of those coming in recent years with a D that gets worse and worse each year.
     
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  5. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    None of these guys holds a candle to Dan.
     
  6. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I agree that Brees doesn't need an asterisk, and I hope you realize the thread title is not my opinion just the article headline. But the fact remains, the reason Marino's record is falling is a change in the rules and how they are enforced, not because Brees is a better passer than Dan Marino. I think the point would have come off much better in the article without the nonsense about asterisks.
     
  7. DolfanTom

    DolfanTom Livin' and Dyin' w/ Ryan!

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    What peeves me even MORE .... Brees should be doing this as a Dolphin!
     
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  8. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    I think it belittles what Brees has accomplished by putting an asterick. If it was so easy to do then there would be 5 other QB's doing it now. Like Ruths record it will always be discussed and debated about the differences of the game in the ERA's. It also doesn't change Marinos standing of one the greatsedt QB's ever if the record is broken and frankly the more people that break it will only bring to light how great Marino was and how he did it better than the others.
     
  9. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Funny you should say that because Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning also have a chance to break the record this season. We are coming into an era of the NFL where I expect Marino's mark of 5,084 yards to be beaten or challenged every season by at least 1 QB from here on out. I'm not saying it's easy, but much easier than it was in 1984.

    The rules favor passing and passing = $$$$$$$$$$ for the NFL. It's not going away for the few remaining folks on this board who think it's just a fad.
     
  10. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    My point being that only proves how elite Marino was. Not sure if I was clear on that.
     
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  11. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I would be more impressed if the NFL hadn't neutered man coverage CB's after that Indy/NE playoff game.
     
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  12. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    If Marinos records fall at least it's to a class act .The game is different today and this recored will not stand for 20 something years this time unless the rules go back to give the defense the ability to play their game the way they used to.
     
  13. aesop

    aesop Well-Known Member

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    Brees, Manning, Brady and Rodgers are the only QBs deserving of passing that mark.
     
  14. Mile High Fin

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    I'd rather see Brees get it instead of Brady...
     
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  15. FinsAreLife

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    I honestly am starting to not care about the records any more. Its sad that its all dolphins fans have to hold on to. At this point I care more about the team finding a way to win.
     
  16. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The notion of putting an asterick next to Brees' soon to be record breaking season is outright ridiculous. Some want to point out the different rules and what not, but what about a blatantly obvious physical aspect of it all? Brees is a whopping 6 foot tall, one of the shortest QB's in the league and doesn't enjoy the height advantage of being able to see over the offensive line that most QB's in the league enjoy...and STILL making these phenominal passes.

    Sorry to see Marino's record fall, but...it couldn't have happened to a greater guy. I ALWAYS liked Brees, moreso when he got screwed over in San Diego...and regret that Huizenga overruled Saban for Culpepper.
     
  17. shadokp

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    Yes but unless the Dolphins can stop Brady Saturday, Brady could break it first. Sure he has to throw for 491 yards but this is possible. I know the D is better now but Brady may be on a mission to break it first. He may not get the highest this year but he has a chance to get there first - which I hope he doesn't. Rather see Brees there than Brady of course. I can see Brady going with his Tight Ends and killing the Dolphins......
     
  18. electrolyte

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    Marino was so great it took different QB's in a weak era to chip away at some of his records.

    Brady took away the TD record
    now Brees the yards record

    but Marino held all of them by himself
     
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  19. muscle979

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    These QBs are barely breaking Dan's records decades later with the game being changed to allow more passing. Dan blew the old records out of the water. He didn't break them by one or two TD passes or a few yards. He annilhated them. So OK save the asterik but it's something to keep in mind. It's sad to see the records go but it's not that significant. Passing stats have inflated faster than money since the 1980s. None of these guys are doing what Dan did. None of these seasons will be considered on par with the 1984 season.
     
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    There's 2 sides to every river. Although the rules have watered-down the defense, how about the other aspects? The fact that defenses now are more complex than in Marino's era, that there is more game film/statistics to study a QB's tendencies, players are faster and stronger than ever etc. The whole idea of putting an asterisk is idiotic IMO because the game is always changing. How the game was played 20 years ago is different from now just like how the game will be different 20 years from now.
     
  21. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    When you say more complex defenses I hope you mean more "specialized" because there's nothing today's defenses are doing that hasn't been done back in the day. You either cover or man blitz/zone blitz and Danny has seen it all. Oh there's some unique & "cute" alignments in today's game like no down linemen, but Marino would feast on that because of the lack of middle pass rush.

    Of course there won't be a literal asterisk but most people know the game has changed but for the worse. Also, what is lost in all of this is Brees will do it in his 11th year, Brady might do it in his 12th. By comparison Danny was a child when he obliterated the TD & Yds records.
     
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  22. DevilFin13

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    No asterisk, just context. I don't feel like doing simple math. But just look at the differences in team passing yards from 84 and 2011. Here are the totals of the top 5 teams in both seasons:

    84: 5018, 4643, 4257, 3901, 3632

    11: 4742, 4639, 4455, 4403, 4312

    And the 11 season has one more game to play. The top 14 teams in '11 have 3500 yards or more. Only the top 8 teams in '84 had 3500 or more. And there are a handful of teams in '11 that have a chance to hit that mark. That simple analysis shows how much more prevalent passing is now compared to then. Though the top teams in 84 were really incredible passing teams, mostly because of great QBs, but also because of better rules than there were in the 70s.
     
  23. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Congrat's Brees! U deserve it, Class act! No** involved
     

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