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Miami Dolphins' Todd Bowles always had a future as a head coach, NFL insiders say

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports...-todd-bowles-always-had-a-future-2036746.html

    Just asking. Thoughts?
     
  2. hemidemon

    hemidemon New Member

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    I know Bowles is well respected around the NFL. I hope the Dolphins give him a fair look.
     
  3. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    3 game audition
     
  4. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    I think the phins will go with a big name coach but they might want to consider a young hungry coach for a new result.I hope he does well these last few games and is considered.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    we must face the idea that the big name coaches will not want to come here, so we need to see if this man is right for our team moving forward..basically our options might be limited so yes, we should take him serious.
     
  6. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I said in another thread that I'd be happy with Jeff Fisher being the coach here. And I would be. However, if we pass on a young, motivated guy such as Bowles, or someone else because they have potential, but haven't proven anything, and that person goes on to be a great coach elsewhere, I'm gonna be pissed :lol: Bottom line though I guess, I just want us to look at all possible avenues realistically. Not just give Bowles an interview after the season to satisfy the rooney rule. we better be seriously giving this guy a look. As well as some other young up and comers. I just hope Ross doesn't get a hardon for an experienced big name thinking its going to put fans in the seats. Any coach, young or old, experienced or inexperienced can do that just by how they carry themselves, and present themselves to the media, and to the team as a leader. Hell, Jim Schwartz got to Detroit, and after a press conference or two, everyone bought in and believed, players, other coaches, and most importantly the fans. All it takes is the right guy, not the right name.
     
  7. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    In other news having nothing to do with Todd Bowles....

    There are only 32 of these jobs in the world. Big name or not, this job is a peach. How one could convince their self otherwise is astounding. Why do you think billionaires line up at the NFL door to buy a team? THIS is the show!
     
  8. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster New Member

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    3 game auditions in my book are just about pointless especially midseason, the guy can only change so much in 6 days I won't hold much against him.
     
  9. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    So… Bell says his game stayed in the same place?
     
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  10. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    There has been a lot of talk previously about Todd's future as a NFL head coach. Honestly, of the assistant coaches with no experience that the team could look at, he has to rate up there in the top 5. Heck, he's one of the few that has had multiple interviews for head coaching jobs already.

    Right now, I'm not sure the Dolphins can afford to take the chance on an inexperienced head coach though. On the one hand, hiring Todd Bowles could be the home run many fans would like to see this team hit. However, it could also be a complete strike out. Going with an experienced coach like Brian Billick may not be a home run, but it might just be a single or a double that helps stabilize the team and gets the team to the point that it is in a better position to bring in a younger, inexperienced coach down the road.

    I've gone back and forth on this. On the one hand, I see the need for stabilization. On the other, I would like to see new blood come into the head coaching position.
     
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  11. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Of the coaches with no prior NFL head coaching experience, my list of interviews would be in no particular order:

    Rob Ryan
    Chuck Pagano
    Todd Bowles
    Pete Carmichael Jr,
    Mike Zimmer
    Rob Chudzinski
    Brian Schottenheimer...maybe...?

    Just doesn't sound like landing a "big name" is in the cards, unless we're considering Brian Billick a big name.
     
  12. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    Superbowle
     
  13. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    If he can get the team to win 2 out of 3 in these conditions than yeah, he deserves a shot.
     
  14. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There is one assistant that I would be excited about if hired, and that is Mike Zimmer..
     
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  15. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    At this point, why not give him a shot?
     
  16. CaribPhin

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    My only fear with Zimmer is he's a defensive guy.
     
  17. rafael

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    I don't know enough about him to say my first choice, but I would group him among all those other assistants that I would be fine with, probably behind Fisher. Although really, I'm not certain. IMO the real difference will be who they bring in at OC/DC and GM.
     
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  18. Anonymous

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    Lmao, I thought I was the only one who noticed this. Jason Kidd moment for Bell.
     
  19. mracer

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    So was Shula and Billacheat. What's more important is a great motivator and tactician. I never really considered Bowles a HC candidate. He does have the advantage of knowing the personnel very well. I hope he's learned from watching Morano's mistakes. He might be right guy if we're looking to make adjustments to get over the hump. Just as long as we get a freaking QB.
     
  20. Aquafin

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    Why in the hell is everyon taking waht Ross said about finding the next coach Shula serious and it will be a terible indictment of how bad Miami has fallen for wanting to come to as a player and a head coach. If we get a no name coach then we will be bad for quite a while we need a impact coach end of story.
     
  21. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The impact coaches that have been recently hired:

    Jim Harbaugh - No NFL head coaching experience, former player, one year of assistant experience in the NFL, and seven years as a college head coach.
    John Harbaugh - No experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator. Former special teams coach. No previous head coaching experience.
    Mike Tomlin - One year of experience as a defensive coordinator and only around 6 years as an assistant coach in the NFL prior to getting his opportunity.
    Mike McCarthy - Widely considered to be a below average offensive coordinator for several years prior to getting his chance.
    Sean Payton - Former offensive coordinator who had his play calling duties stripped from him in New York.

    The common thread among all of them were that they were no name coaches when they were hired.
     
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  22. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    What they all had in common:

    -Joe Flacco and a great D
    -Alex Smith and a great D
    -Ben R and a great D
    -Brett Favre and a good D
    -Drew Brees and became a decent D

    The situations these guys stepped into helped them far more then any innate ability of their own, save for Jim Harbaugh, but then again the real test is Time.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    an offensive guy takes prescedent for you King?....for me, its not about either..
     
  24. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I've thought about this coaching search, in context of "what made that Head Coach successful there"?

    The number #1 factor is they walked into situations that matched their strengths, every other factor is not as important.

    INOW, could be the era of a Shula, who could coach anywhere and win, is probably over, new HC's skillsets have to sync up with the dominant talent on the team and deploy it in the most effective manner possible, that is the key to success imo.

    The caveat is a pure rebuild situation, there it doesn't matter because the new HC will have a new roster in 2 yrs anyway.
     
  25. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    John Harbaugh did inherit a strong defense, but he did not inherit a strong offense at all. They drafted Joe Flacco in his first year, and Joe Flacco isn't exactly what I would call a franchise quarterback. He always seems to come up short when the game is on the line.

    Jim harbaugh definitely didn't walk into a good situation, and Alex Smith was widely considered a bust after 6 years in the league when Jim took that job.

    Sean Payton took over a team who was 3-13 the year prior to him taking over.

    Mike McCarthy took over an underachieving team that had an aging quarterback and kept them a float until Aaron Rodgers was ready.
     
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  26. padre31

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    Wins in the regular season though, Flacco is more or less Chad Henne with better talent around him.

    Which speaks to the collective wisdom of "nfl experts".

    Say Hello to Mr Brees.

    Uhm, what?

    Not going to argue about McCarthy, he is irrelevant to me.

    Point being, the situation in total, in a non rebuilding situation, determines the level of success they have, the New HC's skillset has to fit into the roster, this is where McDaniels failed in Denver, and he tried to bring in Vets who did not pan out.

    Mangini suffered the same thing in Cleveland, he was a poor fit to the roster, and was arrogant enough to think his way would move around that factoid and it led him to making poor decisions like trading the #6 overall for "his guys" from NYJ, and passing on Freeman.

    When a coach starts talking about a player having 'the makeup" that is a sure indicator of failure about to happen, the "makeup" means nothing much at all, it certainly does translate into wins.

    Talent is king, guys who try to duplicate what Belicheck does in NE are going to fail tbh, this is one of the lessons from Sparano/Mangini/McDaniels/Haley's firings.
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I just realized we fired a first time head coach, who with good QB play, made history in this league...Then when that QB got hurt, the team played about 500 ball..Then his next guy that he was in charge of developing, got hurt, then the next guy came in, and they fired him.

    Man was not judged fairly, but I digress.
     
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  28. padre31

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    Pretty much, that is how the NFL works though, no one cares if you had injuries to deal with, you have to win.

    I think it will be fascinating to watch what the New HC thinks/says/does with Chad Henne, Harbaugh caught flak for keeping Smith for example.

    Sparano planted his flag on Chad Henne, I said last yr if he did that, he would be fired, and that is exactly what happened.

    This after dodging being fired in January, he should have known better.
     
  29. padre31

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    Let me add, I also think Fisher is probably the best fit for the Dolphins, even better then Gruden simply because what we have mirrors what he had in TN when he had his greatest successes.

    I know people think McNair was a great Qb, the truth of the matter is most yrs he was a low 3k mid 2k passer, Eddie George was the horse on that offense.
     
  30. PhinsRock

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    Can't help but wonder if Tony Dungy might be bored with the broadcast booth and might consider being HC here, his family lives in Tampa so it wouldn't be much of a journey. I could get on board with Dungy for our new HC. Wonder why I have not heard his name yet related to this search.
     
  31. Desides

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    Because he’s legitimately retired and has rebuffed every team that has asked him privately if he’d interview. He doesn’t want to be a coach anymore. Scratch him off your list; he’s not an option.
     
  32. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Safety Yeremiah Bell says Bowles "360'd my game.


    How Ironic
     
  33. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Though it's not necessarily an indictment of Bowles our last 3 coaches (Saban, Cameron, Sparano) were all guys with no previous HC experience and during that time we've gone 45-64. I think it's time to bring in someone who has proven they know what they're doing in the NFL.
     
  34. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Eddie George who had a career 3.5 rushing average and averaged 1 TD every 2.1 games?
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He should have watched The Last Action Hero
     

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