i wanted fisher last time we were looking for a coach. honestly, i dont care whether sparano stays or goes. i have wanted to get rid of ireland for the last two years. to me, he is the source of our problems. this is a game of physical talent not xs and os and ireland is fine atgetting solid players but absolutely sucks at getting difference makers. That and he absolutely sucks at getting offensive linemen unless he drafts them in the first round and the game starts in the trenches
That makes it worse, not better. Quick—John Jerry or Jimmy Graham? This was an easy decision even on draft day. If you work outside the Dolphins front office, that is.
That is more than a bit presumptuous isn't it? Pick 95 to 119 ? We picked 73 and deemed it too high to pick graham , yet 20 plus picks unfolded and we never moved up for him. He was there for the taking , Miami simply didn't take him , although many people here clamoured for just that.
Jeff Ireland is also responsible for putting together a majority of this defense. The offensive line on the right side is just poor, but we are by no means bereft of talent.
His personnel decisions without Parcells around has shown that he has distanced himself from some of Parcells base philosophies on personnel. I think it is reasonable to bring Ireland back. His draft this past year looks good on the surface. Mike Pouncey was a great pick and will be an elite center in the NFL for a long time. Daniel Thomas has shown promise and could be good if he stays healthy. Charles Clay is a potential playmaker. Jimmy Wilson could be a starter at cornerback or free safety down the road. His free agent decisions this time around were very good. Kevin Burnett looks like a fixture at inside linebacker after starting the season slow. Reggie Bush looks like a great decision. Matt Moore was a find for Ireland.
I know there'a alot of animosity towards Ireland and talk back and forth of whether or not he should go. I would point out though...Ireland is the same man however that brought us Jake Long, Cameron Wake, Karlos Dansby, Brandon Marshall, Mike Pouncey...players frequently and ardently accoladed as great players on our team and player we would want to keep. Just pointing that out. On the other hand, he was the one that kept telling Ross throughout the season to keep Sparano and essentially to be patient. Two sides of the coin. You can choose which is your favorite side to look at.
I really don't think Ireland is as bad as so many of you believe. We have a pretty damn good defense that was built by Ireland. He brought in quite a few good players on offense too. And yeah, they're kickers, but Carpenter and Fields have been fantastic. Obviously, he hasn't been perfect and he's missed on some, but no one is perfect.
The thing is, there is too much of the attitude that someone's head must roll for the season this team is having and what will be three losing seasons in a row. There aren't enough views of people looking into why this team is currently a 7-9 team that may finish 5-11. Too many want to just say, oh, we suck. Fire everyone. Remember. San Francisco was 5-11 last year. They are 11-2 with essentially the same players that went 5-11 last year. What is the difference? Some may point to coaching, and that may be valid, though I doubt coaching is solely responsible for the turn around. They have a relatively weak schedule that has padded things, but the thing they have gotten this year is solid quarterback play from Alex Smith that they had not previously gotten. I think you can point to the quarterback position as the source for most of the problems Miami has had over the past 2+ years. Matt Moore has actually given the team some steady play this year, and the team responded and played well. Today, the line got him killed. When Jake went out, so did any ability Miami had of throwing the ball down the field.
and none of them with the possible exception of Pouncey will be pro bowlers. Ireland is good at getting solid players but outside of the first round and Free agency or trade he cant find pro bowlers in any other round of the draft. you simply have to at some point. Every Super Bowl team has one or two home run drafts that generate 2 to 3 pro bowlers in one draft. we havent had one that was a home run in four years. we havent struck out but we've been hitting singles mostly
Three seasons to build depth, and show progress on both sides of the ball. Progress is there, depth is terrible
fields was a cameron draft pick. arguably that draft where we got fields and soliai is better than any draft we've had since. pro bowl punter and a NT with pro bowl talent when he plays up to it
lol what? The draft where our first 2 picks were Ted Ginn and John Beck was better than ANY draft we've had over the past 4 years? C'mon, son.
two pro bowl caliber players even though one is a punter. what other draft has two? 2008 long 2009 vontae 2010 do we even have one? 2011 pouncey (potentially)
Actually the worst part was Sparano and Irish had the luxury of evaluating and coaching Jerry at the senior bowl. They still thought he was going to be a gamer at the next level. That's why he was picked ahead of Graham. How freaking pathetic!!
The only 2 players worth anything from that 2007 draft were both late round picks, and one is a punter. No one else from that draft did ANYTHING for us. Meanwhile, Jake Long, Kendall Langford, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Brian Hartline, Jared Odrick, Mike Pouncey, Daniel Thomas, and Charles Clay have all made significant contributions already, some at a Pro Bowl level. Not to mention, picking up Davone Bess and Dan Carpenter after the draft.
i have said ireland is fine at picking solid players. where he is weak is picking impact players. he simply doesnt. the point wasnt about how many players made the roster but how many impact ones did
He's hit on some players. What i'd like to know is why Harbaugh reportedly reacted so negatively to Ireland when Ross flew out to the Bay Area to hire Harbaugh. The Dez Bryant thing was so inexplicably inappropriate for a man in his position that I seriously question whether he is in full use of his faculties. Yet Ross seems to respect him. Go figure.
Bull, all that information is team property, not the GMs property. The scouts may be replaced but all the infor you speak of is stored away in hard drives owned by the Miami Dolphins not Ireland. Ireland , even though I am not fond of him , has done a pretty decent job bringing talent in. You can blame Tuna for some of the real bad mistakes this team has made. You can not hire a new scouting staff prior to the 2012 draft their contracts run through May. Most teams will allow you to interview/hire a scout, personnel director etc. for a for a GM position but they will not let you interview and hire their scouts to be your scout. Anyone you do hire that currently works for another team or scouting company can not take any files, evaluation sheets or information with him.
Jeff Ireland is guilty of a lot of negligence and he gets to conveniently blame the mistakes on everyone not him while taking credit for the successes. This is a bad team. This is not a good team. This is a bad team. And the further Jeff Ireland has gotten away from the players he inherited from Cam Cameron and Randy Mueller, the worse the team has gotten. That should tell you something.
Wanny, Saban, and Cam all found a few solid players in their drafts and FA aquistions as well but also few pro-bowlers. You need playmakers. We don't have too many. At all. Back to the drawing board.
Tuna was making the decisions. I do not like Ireland one bit but he is not repsonsible for a lot of the people Tuna dragged into this team at all. Nobody in the league would take a chance on Smiley because of his injuries, Tuna did. Jake Grove has been known as a head case prima dona since arriving in the league and what did Tuna do ? threw bags of money at him. Who does Grove play for now ? Nobody and believe me, its not due to any type of injury. Grove is, always has been and always will be a cry baby, prizzy azzz football player. He should have worn a mask and gun when he got his game check. Carey needs to be sent to the fat farm and Columbo needs about 4 surgeries just to be halfway normal. Will admit, Columbo was brought in by Ireland and Sparano, why? its anyones guess. There were Olineman available all the way up until 4=5 weeks ago. 2 good ones is Max Starks now back at Pittsburgh and Gaither. Both did not get huge paydays and are playing decent football and both were available up until 6 weeks ago.
And I wonder how much of Parcells rubbed off on him. Does Ireland agree with the Matt Ryan decision? Surely people will comment and say Ryan is overrated and mediocre since they haven't won a payoff game with him yet. [PS both their playoff losses were to Super Bowl teams] Yet the Falcons are on their way to a 4th straight winning season, with a 13-3 season least year. (Miami hasn't won more than 11 since 1990). And I saw the Falcons down by a bunch of points today, then exploded with Ryan putting up huge numbers to lead them back to victory with the pressure on. While we're having our 3rd straight losing season, for the first time since the AFL days. If so...how am I supposed to trust Jeff Ireland to find a QB? This is the NFL....Every GM finds some talent...but you have to fine the best. It's why they make millions, it's their job.
So what you're saying is that Jake Long is more valuable than some people give credit for and a QB is can be worthless w/o adequate protection?
The 2007 Mormon Samoans? Nah, that was easily an grade F roster. This regime's rosters have been more like C+(2008), C(2009), D+(2010), D-(2011). We're bad but not god awful. But not to far off.
I think we all know how good Jake Long is. What his injury and the end result speaks more about lack of depth on this team. NE, Pitt, Green Bay, and other good teams can just plug in a backup lineman and not miss much of a beat. That's good coaching. Considering our offensive line guru of a coach can't figure out how to coach this offensive line, speaks volumes.
Like I said, awful convenient how all of the failures get blamed on Bill Parcells but all of the successes get credited to Jeff Ireland. Wish I were that suave.
As a matter of fact when Bill Parcells suggested that drafting Jake Long may have been a bad decision on his part and perhaps Matt Ryan would have been the better decision, Jeff Ireland immediately spoke up (which he rarely does), denounced what Parcells said, and claimed that HE made the right decision on Jake Long and would make that decision every time again and again.
In the Dolphins' best season since this regime took over, HALF of the roster was filled with guys that were here pre-2008. Every year thereafter, Ireland has cycled out yet more of those pre-2008 players, and the team has performed successively worse each year.
Im all for firing this entire front office and coaching staff and have been since the end of last season but... I'll gladly take Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, and Matt Moore over Trent Green, John Beck, and Cleo Lemon all day, any day. /End of discussion
The Dez Bryant thing was a legitimate question. Why? Because He asked Dez what his Dad did. Dez said "pimp." Then he asked "What does your mom do?" "She works for my dad." How is that not a reasonable inference to draw?
Trent Green with the Chiefs? Sure. Trent Green with us? No thanks, he was past washed up by the time he got here. The concussion just ended his already finished career.
