Dave Hyde article..Speculation that Miami might be a player..

Called this in a thread the other day, you could see it coming.

 

It would be a huge risk at this point.

 

Yea, I'd rather explore trading for Rivers if we wanted another Vet.

 

A healthy Peyton Manning makes us a relevant team for about two maybe three years. I am more on the side of us building a dynasty and I think that starts with a young franchise QB in place. However... If we miss out on Luck, Barkley, and Griffin (which looks like a posibility) I would only settle for Landry Jones if a Peyton Manning was in place to "groom" him for the next two years.
I am willing to throw in all cards for Robert Griffin. I think he is going to be awesome in the NFL and I hope we get to draft him. Barkley would be great as well. Hell no to Landry Jones or Brandon Weeden...I'd rather sign Manning and draft Jordan Rodgers the following year.

 

PS

Archie has spoken

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...w-luck-duo-indianapolis-colts-not-good-either

 

Ross needs to fill seats and this would do it. He could forego canning TS if they made this move.

 

The heck with that. The last thing we need is another broken down QB to come in here. Until shown otherwise Peyton is done. Draft a Qb in the first. Even if Peyton gets healthy he has what, 3 years left in him. I want a long term solution, not another stop gap halfhearted shot in the dark.

 

This is a move that will blow up in the face of the Dolphins. Does anyone really think that Indianapolis would come close to getting rid of Peyton Manning if there were no doubts about his ability to come back from this neck problem? Buyer beware! Franchise quarterbacks that aren't damaged goods do not hit the free market. Peyton will not be traded unless Indy can truly hoodwink someone, because no one is going to pick up that $28 million tab. If Manning goes, he will be released and free to sign with any team. Again though, why would Indy release Peyton Manning if they are getting good reports from the neurosurgeons who have been evaluating Peyton through this process. Do not forget that it was a bulging disk with a pinched nerve that ultimately ended Dan Marino's career.

 

It all depends on his neck.
Its a risk I am not willing to take, no more stopgaps. WE MUST do what it takes to draft a QB in round 1.

 

This is where you and I disagree KB. Peyton cost 28 mil just for next year while Luck can be had for less than that for the next 4/5 years plus leaving enought money to resign several great players. Indy will be stupid to do otherwise - besides Dan Snyder and The Shanny's are foaming at the mouth over the prospect of Peyton in RS colors! Plus they have the money and the will to make it happen!

 

Because a first round quarterback is a sure thing........

If Peyton Manning hits the open market (which I think he will), the Miami Dolphins better explore that avenue. This doesn't mean that they cannot draft a quarterback in the first round by any means. I don't foresee Manning and Luck on the same team... either the Colts will trade down and pay Manning that $28M bonus in March or they'll take Luck and release Manning in March.

 

Manning isn't going to Washington because of the lack of talent on that team, IMO. I think he'll end up in Miami, New York, or San Francisco, personally.

 

Not comfortable giving anymore than a 3rd for him, even then it might be too generous. Plus a renegotiated contract. Fact is he is on the downslide...

 

I don't think I buy Peyton as any sort of decent mentor. Look at the job he did on Painter.

 

The way I see it.
Indy has two options; luck or peyton. ( NO ANDS N NO BUTS)

Of course I'd rather have Andy luck.

 

Painter was a 6th round pick.

 

No one is going to trade for Peyton Manning. The risk is definitely too high to trade anything for him because of that large contract. Manning is due a $28M bonus in March (maybe April, but it's before the draft) where the Colts will have to decide whether to void out Manning's contract or take on the remaining five years. I really don't see the Colts taking the route where they keep Manning because that's a lot of money to invest in someone when they will have a rookie quarterback (Luck) who will want to start right away and likely won't want to sit three or four seasons.

If Manning is anywhere but Indianapolis in 2012 it'll be because he signed with that team as a free agent. No one will be trading for Peyton Manning and his massive contract.

Painter was drafted in the sixth round... you can't tell me that the Colts believed Painter was expected to be the future franchise quarterback by any means. Brett Favre wasn't exactly a great mentor to Aaron Rodgers so I don't understand why you would bring in Manning to be a mentor anyway. You should bring in Manning to take over the reigns for a few seasons while letting a raw quarterback prospect (Matt Barkley would be the ideal choice, IMO) develop.

 

Colts never cared about, signed or thought about grooming any sort of backup QB.
Anyone really think they won't keep Manning's legacy intact?

 

He didn’t mentor Painter because Painter was never going to start as long as he was there. Brett Favre effect without the ego, arrogance, and general jerk-ness.

The phenomenon of veteran players tutoring rookies or new guys is vastly overstated by the media and fans anyway. Veterans aren’t going to teach the new guy how to replace them.

 

I've seen too many people have neck surgery and either not ever get back to 100% or have significant problems within a very short time of their surgery. In fact, I saw a patient on Friday that had a fusion done in 2009. Guess what. I sent her back to a neurosurgeon today to evaluate her for surgery again. She has spurs and spinal stenosis a level above the previous surgery. It almost always happens. Within a short time, these patients have to have surgery again either a level above or a level below where the previous surgery was.

 

Not that this makes anything official of course but Tony Dungy was on ESPN radio today and said he did not feel Peyton would be traded , that he didn't feel Peyton would want to play for another team and also said he felt you take Luck if you have him rated as high as the consensus to date has been.

Something has to give.

 

No way no how do I want him here now......Not even for a 2nd round pick.

 

The thought of relying on the Fins' crack medical staff to accurately evaluate Peyton post fusion is too scary to contemplate.

 

Im just sayin, 6th rounder or not...NOTHING from Peyton rubbed off on him? I mean, you do realize how bad he is right?

 

Eh, I'd take the shot, we'd still have MMoore behind him if he went down, if he is healthy then we have as good a Qb as there is in the NFL.

As for the 28 million, one would have to think his new team would not have to eat that sort of cap hit, that would be the exchange for taking a chance on him.

 

Couldnt agree more myself... However, that being said, if Indy is able to screw anyone into taking a trade for Manning, its probably Miami given our history with QB's. Even if Manning does end up here, and by some miracle is completely healthy again, you've got a couple good years of QB play left in him and that's it. Just doesn't seem worth what you'd probably have to give up. Especially when you consider he may not be healthy.

 

If Manning is healthy, you won't get him. KB is perfectly right: Not a single NFL team will trade or release an All Pro quarterback for an unproven rookie quarterback, even if the All Pro is 37 and the rookie very promising. If Manning becomes available, it means that the Colts have serious doubts about his ability to stay healthy and perform on a Peyton Manning level. Daunte Culpepper, anyone.

 

but if he's released and Ross is willing to both put up the money and still draft a QB in the first round(and either keep Moore as backup or trade him) then it's not a huge risk, money aside. I think thats a scenario that most of us could get behind.

 

I would view that as an extremely high risk, short term answer to a long term chronic problem - just kicking the can down the road again. I, too, have a back problem because of a bulging disc... two of them in fact, and I absolutely cannot do what I did before without pain - and I am way not playing professional football. I would never take a chance on Peyton - and even if he does go to another team, and win a Superbowl... it is still not the right thing to do because it leaves us in the same spot in 2-3 years.

This year's QB class appears to be one of the better one. If we can wangle a first rounder this year, we need to do it NOW and forget about quick fixes.

 

Anyone hear papa Mannings coments regarding drafting luck. It was something along the lines of....."I dont think the Colts drafting Luck would create a successful, beneficial dynamic for either QB." What? He is the voice of reason???

 

Exactly, as if we haven't learned for our mistakes as well as other teams who've done this. It would be right up there with every other stupid "fix" to our QB situation since Marino hung it up.

..and to everyone who says sarcastically, "As if it taking a QB in the first round is a guarantee of success", I'd much rather take a gamble with a young QB in the first round with a high risk of bust than QB over 35 with a pinched nerve and bulged disk in his shoulder. Even if he was a healthy, I still don't want yet another caretaker QB unless it was because our rookie wasn't ready to start. Even then, I'd rather just keep Moore for another year.

 

All I am going to say is Yes. I'll let my avatar say the rest.

 

Well, there are some problems with this thought....

1) how healthy is he really ??
2) Even if he's healthy come next August, can he stay that way ??
3) How much would we have to give up for him ?? 2 #1's and a #2 ??
4) Would that compensation be too much based on the other holes this team has (S, OLB, OL, TE, WR) ??
5) How would Manning assimilate into this O or how much would we have to change our O to accommodate Manning (the more likely option) and what effect would that have on our development next season ??
6) Who will be running the franchise ?? Sparano and Ireland ?? Are they good fits with Manning ?? Cowher ?? Fisher ?? Pagano ?? Reid ?? Rob Ryan ?? All that would have to be accounted for with acquiring Manning.
7) Are the Colts going to let Manning go ??

I like the idea of Manning coming this way, but there are some serious adjustments that have to be made if he does...

 

If...if, if if. If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its *** when it hopped. Now with the sarcasm set aside....

If the doctors give Manning a clean bill of health, GENUINELY clean bill of health....
If Bob Irsay puts Manning on the market...
If we draft a first round QB to be mentored by Manning...

Then yes, I say do it. I don't think anyone here would argue that a good quality first round QB riding shotgun to the great Peyton Manning for a couple of three years wouldn't be a dream of alifetime learning experience. I don't think anyone here would say Aaron Rodgers didn't learn a thing or two from Brett Favre in Green Bay...and thus far, that's worked out pretty good for the Packers.

On a side note....seeing how well Moore's been playing, I wonder, from the viewpoint of Captain Hindsight and his sidekicks Could'a Should'a and Would'a, how would Moore's play be right now had he ridden shotgun to Chad Pennington instead of Chad Henne? Hmmmmmm