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Offense improving as Daboll and Moore develop rapport.

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  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Miami Dolphins' offense improving as coordinator Brian Daboll and quarterback Matt Moore develop rapport
    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports...ving-as-coordinator-brian-daboll-2010489.html

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    ...and that was my complaint for awhile. During the pre-seaosn, he did some awesome things with spreading things out. He was using Reggie the right way by getting him in space. I was psyched and excited for what was to come for the O. I know it was just pre-season and they face a lot of vanilla Ds, but the regular season comes and nada. Very boring and somewhat conventional. The first handful of games, I was getting so frustrated. He wasn't being as creative and he kept trying to send Reggie up the middle and between the tackles like Reggie had in in his f'n contract that he had to be used as a between the tackle runner. I'm glad that he's starting to change back and open things up a bit and get a bit more creative, but just a wee bit late. no? :wink2: What was the reason for the change? Was it the trigger man he had taking snaps? Hmmm. Don't know....just venting a bit. Thanks. :pointlol:
     
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  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    We'll see, arguably this is the 2nd best opponent he has faced since becoming the Starting Qb, if he does well there will be more of a case for MMoore remaining the starter in 2012.

    I suspect he will do well, this is also a banged up Raiders team heading East
     
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  3. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Daboll showing what he can do when he has more than one weapon on offense.
     
  4. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    too bad the season didn't start 4 weeks ago.
     
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  5. jw3102

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    I agree the play of Moore has made Daboll appear to be a better offensive coordinator. Unfortunately for Daboll, it is a little too late to save his job. He was hired by Sparano and once a new HC is hired, it is very likely Daboll will be looking for a new job for the third year in a row.
     
  6. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Thats what this team needs! an 11 game preseason!
     
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  7. AdamC13

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    Nice "fluff" piece. In taking a closer look it is way too early to declare Moore the answer to the offense.

    Solid game against KC, no doubt. KC is 23rd in the league in Points Per Game allowed at 24.1...Miami scored 31 on some long drives.

    So-so against Washington. Moore didn't play so well. Miami had a couple of nice long drives, but 2 of the 4 drives ended in the red zone with FG. Washington is 10th in the league in PPG allowed with 20.2...Miami scored 20.

    So-so against Buffalo. Miami only had 242 total yards offensively. One TD was scored on a blocked punt. Of the 4 TDs the offense scored one drive was 4 yards, another, 23 yards and another 59 yards. The defense and ST shined that day. Buffalo gave up 44 to Dallas the week before and 28 to the Jets the following week. The Bills are 28th in the league in PPG allowed at 25.5...Miami's offense scored 28, mostly on short drives.

    So-so against Dallas. Miami scored 4 FG and only 1 TD. Dallas is 12th in the league in PPG allowed with 20.5. Miami scored 19.

    Definitely the offense has been more productive getting Bush in space, Clay getting healthy, and moving away from making Marshall the primary target in the dead zone, but I don't see a cause for celebration at this point.
     
  8. rdhstlr23

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    So-so against Buffalo? So, now we are criticizing hik because the TD drives weren't long enough? He was awesome in that game. Some fans look for anything to propagandize an agenda, I'll tell ya.
     
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  9. Striking

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    When your defense can get the ball back for you it makes everything look better. Having guys who stop making dumb penalties, dropping (TD) passes etc, fumbling at inopportune times, missing field goals just rounds it all out. I saw a lot of today's game and I really saw very little that was different as far as play calling, its just the bad things I mentioned aren't happening.
     
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  10. padre31

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    Well, have to say MMoore is playing at the highest level a Dolphins Qb has since Chad Pennington in 08.

    Reggie Bush had 100 yds

    Offense destroyed the Raiders, Daboll has them playing well.
     
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  11. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Daniel Thomas had a fine game as well.
     
  12. padre31

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    Things are clicking on offense

    Crazy thing is, Crowder thought we'd lose by a FG.

    BTW 3 Td's in 4 Redzone trips v the Raiders
     
  13. vt_dolfan

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    I dont think Sparano or Daboll are gone. The Dolphins look like one of the better teams in the NFL right now...and Sparano gets alot of credit for that.

    I dont see us losing much more this year...1 at most.

    Ross would get hammered for firing Sparano with the team playing like this.
     
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  14. mracer

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    OMG...a voice of reason. Well stated. Anything can happen if this team finishes 8-8. It won't be easy with the patsies left on our schedule but I've seen crazier things.
     
  15. vt_dolfan

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    I dont think we loose another game.

    We arent beating team by a few points....3 of 4 games we have demolished them....and I believe we way out played the Cowboys on Thanksgiving Day.
     
  16. padre31

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    I think Daboll has done a good job, but slow your roll on Sparano sticking.

    To me, it comes down to the last 3 gms vs Bills/Pats/Jest.

    Recall that Sparano's teams typically fall apart down the stretch, 3 AFCE games, including the one vs the patriots, who have murdered us, will tell the tale imo
     
  17. Sethdaddy8

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    Ross will be getting tons of criticism if he keeps Sparano.
     
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  18. vt_dolfan

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    Not if we beat the Jets and Pats, as I expect we will. Sparano is back if we do....mark my words....lol....and theres gonna be a huggggeeee meltdown....in here
     
  19. padre31

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    That would be fun, a month of football left, Eagles game makes for an interesting matchup as they do not even try to run the ball with power.
     
  20. vt_dolfan

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    Its funny..because all week long...I kept hearing praise for the Phins...and how we have heart...and alot of head shaking at the Eagles. I think this matchup gets lot of play as two franchises headed in different directions.....
     
  21. woody1351

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    i like tony every year we start slow then pick it up. if we keep tony, daboll and nolan im fine with that, but there is no was ross keeps tony to many fans hate him. ross wants big names here, and he will try his hardest to get one.
     
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  22. padre31

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    Thing is, you could see this win coming, the Raiders were a good mtachup for us, the Eagles game plays to our weaknesses, lots of short passes that athletic dudes run after the catch.

    Our Db play was mostly good, but Celek will be a problem for us, so will Shady McCoy.

    I do think our O matches up well with their problems on Defense.
     
  23. mracer

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    I don't think many on this board have noticed this point. This is the FIRST time in Sparano's 4 yr tenure that we have been dominating teams. We have always played down to the level of our competition and squeaked out w's. Would a new HC retain Dabbol & Nolan?
     
  24. padre31

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    Well, bad news folks, MMoore's performance is measurably declining, and significantly.

    Today the run game was so dominant that was not an issue, but his completion percentage and QBR is dropping by over 5% per gm since the KC games' epic performance, the big plays down the field masked some of his struggles.

    To many short passes that went nowhere, a couple of tipped balls as well.
     
  25. rdhstlr23

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    I disagree about Matt Moore struggling.

    The offense scored 27 points, you don't do that with a struggling QB. Hell, some team's don't do that with a QB playing well.

    To look at completion %, YPA, and QBR to judge the play of the QB would be unwise. I like to look at points (27), redzone production (3 scores in 4 opportunities). He was the recipient of a few dropped balls, a couple of tipped passes, etc. That lead to those things. QBR does nothing to show for the fact he ran for a score, had two other nice scrambles and did a helluva managing the pocket and only being sacked 1 time.
     
  26. padre31

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    -200 yds rushing
    -He hit plays down the field and deep

    Last 2 gms his accuracy has dropped off Rdhstlr, not taking a swipe at him, reality is he has to do better as we won't rush for 200 yds and have defensive Td's every week.

    MMoore has to get his trend line moving upwards in terms of accuracy as that is really where he should excel.
     
  27. rdhstlr23

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    Yeah, but that accuracy statistic doesn't account for him eluding a pass rusher and throwing the ball away to keep the team in FG range. While that takes a hit on his completion %, it's a positive play. And that's my gripe that those stats aren't telling of his efficiency or his play. Matt Moore was every bit of good today and when we needed him. He had the benefit of a great running game, some decent field position at times, and capitalized. Not to mention the team was 8/14 on 3rd downs. Two of those were runs on 3rd and short, and a few failed run conversions in the 4th quarter. So, when we needed him to be "accurate" in the redzone (3/4) and 3rd down (8/14) he was great.

    So, again those stats aren't a harbinger for negative play.
     
  28. dolfan7171

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    I do agree Moore needs to improve his passing accuracy. I love that he is fearless to throw the ball deep down the field. Heis playing very well so far but he can afford to improve.
     
  29. padre31

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    Disagree Bro, here is why, MMoore was playing over his career level, as in "maybe he gets it" sort of better, coming back down to earth now is not a good thing moving forwards, he simply must be sharp as a he can be at all times to prove he has busted out of his plateau and not coming back down to earth as a good, but not much else sort of Qb.

    If he were a car, his "check engine" light would be coming on at this point, maybe something, maybe nothing but a blip.
     
  30. rdhstlr23

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    Couldn't disagree more. I'm not advocating that he doesn't need to improve his accuracy. I'm just in full disagreement that his performance is waning and there are warning signs. If he struggles next week it isn't because of those stats, it's because he's Matt Moore.
     
  31. padre31

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    Eh, I watch this stuff rdhstlr, his performance, individual performance, is slipping, one game you can understand, back to back games and it becomes a concern.

    A legit concern, I'm not talking about style points, "oh, if the ball was here instead of there, Marshall could have waltzed into the EZ instead of carrying the Cb in", I'm speaking about missing on the easier, underneath stuff, he has to hit on it Bro, not consistently doing so is not an option for him, MMoore's skillset doesn't allow for it.
     
  32. djphinfan

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    Your seeing those things because he doesn't have great talent...His genetics can only produce a certain level from an athletic standpoint..If he's gonna get better, and go to that next level me and you are waiting for him to flash, then it will be because of his mind and experience..The upside is between the ears on this prospect and that courageous arm...We shall see what his ceiling is the next 4 weeks against top competition.
     
  33. rdhstlr23

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    If Clay catches both passes he's 15/25 and over 200 yards and his QBR is in the 90's. It's really that simple. I just don't see anything there that is "problematic" or "cause for concern".
     
  34. djphinfan

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    freakin Clay pissed me off today....I have had reservations about the player so he's still gotta lot to prove.
     
  35. padre31

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    Oh, but it is, the system is designed to allow for drops and tipped passes etc, unless there is a deviation such as:

    -Bradford's guys had dropped 20 passes last I checked, a huge number
    -Henne bizarre 2010 when only 1 shot at an int was dropped and 15 caught

    MMoore is not a volume passer so granted his drops cost him more, but 2 drops, 2 tipped passes in the Raiders gm does not explain the Cowboys game.

    That is why I wait to observe a coupe of games to see where the trend is going.
     
  36. AdamC13

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    After our 1st 2 drives, which were awesome, our final 10 drives resulted in 96 yards and we gave up a safety. One of our TDs was a result of ST and the two the offense scored were on drives of 23 and 4 yards. We had drives that resulted in -1 yards and a safety, 3 yards, 4 yards, 4 yards, 5 yards, 6 yards, 13 yards, 14 yards and 16 yards. And you think this is "awesome?"

    Jacksonville is dead last in yards per game at 254.7, St Louis is next to last at 284 yards and you think an offense that gained 242 yards is "awesome" and I am promoting an agenda b/c I think it was so-so? :lol:

    I don't care if it was Dan Marino quarterbacking that game, I would still look at the offense as being so-so that day.
     

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