I got a bad feeling this qb class is going to get alot weaker

Draft Barkley, sign FA Matt Flynn, and retain Moore. May the best man win.

 

frst I try to trade down and acquire more picks and get into the middle of teh first and get Weedon or RGIII assuming he comes out. If I cant and I think we could at 5, then I would trust my scouts and if they say he grades out there take him yes. I am one that said in previous years dont overdraft, said that in teh Newton debate. But at this point after another year, we cant wait to have one fall in our lap, yiou have to go big to get big. It isnt like it was 2 yrs ago it isnt as cost prohibitive if you make a mistake. But you cant hit if you dont play

 

If the new coach comes to Ross and says I like Moore (as in being the starter), Ross should fire him right on the spot.


No way in heaven do i see Moore as the starter next season. He's done a great job against three lousy defenses, and not so great against a much better Cowboys defense. As a matter of fact as soon as he took that blindsided sack, he was looking more like John Beck than Chad Pennington.

I do like Moore! He is a gamer but to me, he is more of a tweener. Better than a backup but not franchise material.

 

He'll turn 29 next October. 29 yr old QBs are good for only another 3 years? Please.

 

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Leftovers from the football weekend: 1 One team in QB market told me I was forgetting one 2012 first-rounder: Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M.

 

IF we think Weeden can get us to a Superbowl we should draft him. Who cares if its only 5 or 6 years? If we win a title its worth it if he only plays one year. Now the big question is whether or not he can do that, if you think he needs 2 to 3 years to develop into a starting caliber player then his age does become a big issue.

 

In short, there isn't a chance in hell of this being a "weak" QB draft class.

The thing that I don't understand is all the doom and gloom. There are coaches throughout the league on a short leash that WILL NOT draft a QB. They will take the pass rusher, the blind side blocker, or the cover corner. There are teams SET at the QB position. There are teams that recently drafted a 1st round QB.

In the previous five drafts, only one draft (2011) saw more than 2 QBs taken in all of the first round. And out of those 11 picks, 8 QBs were selected in the top ten. That's 8 picks in five drafts! There is no way in hell that we don't have a chance at the top three you mentioned here.

Cleveland Browns: Colt McCoy
Indianapolis Colts: Peyton Manning
San Diego Chargers: Phillip Rivers
Washington Redskins: ?
Minnesota Vikings: Chris Ponder
Carolina Panthers: Cam Newton
St. Louis Rams: Sam Bradford

Those are the bottom feeders in each division. Four of the teams listed have invested a 1st round pick at the QB position in the past two years. We would have to have HISTORICALLY bad odds NOT to have a premium selection at the QB position in the 2012 draft and that is even ASSuming that we pick 8th overall...........

 

Uhm, that's just wrong Ozman, Dallas had the 10th ranked D, he played well enough to win, he played well vs the Redskins 14th ranked D, and won.

19/28 288 yds 1 Td..that's a good game.

 

Let me ask this, when we were without a win folks talked about how the Luck family might have their son hold out if selected by the fins...What makes us think that he would be any more likely to either go to a team without a win and play in a HOF shaddow or play behind Payton in an ok team for a few years. He may hold out against going there!! Wether he does or doesnt hold out we should sell/trade the farm for Luck!!

 

I can envision Moore as the starter for a bit just b/c despite the early success of this year's QB crop I believe that it's still tough to come in and start right away. But Moore is at best a bridge. I like Moore. In fact, I liked him when we signed him and he's been about what I expected he was capable of. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to make the mistake of passing on a player with franchise potential to settle for a player that is clearly not a franchise guy.

 

This. As much as it will tick Miami fans off, if the guy they want isn't there, don't reach. For me, I'll be happy so long as I hear either Ireland (whom I assume to be back) or Ross publicly state to fans, "hey, we tried to do everything we could to move up and take our guy, when he wasn't available we got this guy who we k ow will make our team better." I'm cool with that.

 

I don't know who this, "we", is that thinks Weeden can get the Dolphins to a Super Bowl. Personally I don't even think he will be a starting quality QB in the NFL. He was a great baseball player at the amateur level, but a bust once he entered professional baseball. I think he will be exactly the same player in football. He has been very good in college but he will once again be a bust when he actually tries to play at the professional level in football.

I hope the Dolphins do not waste a pick on Weeden.

 

I personally think we do need to reach for a QB if we can't move up for one of the big 2.

 

No, comparing him to Pennington is just wrong.

In that Dallas game he missed a chance to score 14 points. One by simply waltzing into the endzone. The other, he threw it out of the back of the endzone before he was even pressured. After that hit he took, he was playing way to fast...

 

That was actually the same play. He threw it in the back of the end zone when he could have "waltzed in". His other big miss down there was to Clay. It wouldn't have been a TD, more than likely, but it would have set up a 1st and goal.

 

I'd be careful about reading into that stuff. You're talking about very short term trends and small sample sizes. There's still a pretty good chance that Miami is faced with a difficult decision relative to their draft standing. Brock Osweiler still isn't necessarily 'likely' to enter the Draft. He's just gone from 'almost surely not' to 'conceivable' because of the firing of Dennis Erickson. Andrew Luck is going #1 overall. Matt Barkley could very well go #2 overall.

You dismiss the Cleveland Browns but Colt McCoy is a 3rd round pick and even Mike Holmgren is souring on him. He's been pleading with people to give Colt the full season before they make an evaluation. That implies that there is indeed an evaluation to be made after this season is done, and Mike Holmgren is not a patient man when it comes to that position. He comes from the Ron Wolf school of drafting a guy nearly every year. If you don't think it conceivable that he trade his two 1st round picks up to get Matt Barkley, I think you're kind of fooling yourself. Dismissing the Browns as contenders for a top level QB because of Colt McCoy would probably look as goofy to a Browns fan as dismissing Miami from drafting a top level QB because of Matt Moore would look to us.

 

Wow, you should notify the Dolphin brass at once. I would hate to think we wasted an important draft pick on someone who has absolutely no chance at succeeding. Thank you for this insight.

 

I think that short of some catastrophic event (something crazy like a poisoned Davy O'Brien trophy kills off half the QB class), the Dolphins have to succeed in getting their future QB. They can't just try. I understood and agreed with not trading up or taking the guys available last year b/c the risk/reward ratio wasn't there and we lacked a 2nd rd pick. But this year there are too many guys with enough talent to warrant the first round grade and we have our full arsenal of high picks. I wouldn't be cool with "we tried". But I would be cool with "we got our guy, but we're not going to throw him in before he's ready".

 

That's a good game if you win because you made a play(s) when the outcome mattered on making the play(s) or not imo. He didn't play badly but , to me he didn't play well and didn't play well enough to win the game when he was presented the opportunity to do so . Should he be blamed entirely for the loss? No , but as the QB he has more responsibility for making plays than any other position player , just like the head coach has more responsibility than than a position coach.

Both you and Mr.C should be happy , Wally and his Lions won the Grey Cup after an 0 and 5 start and the QB is from Oregon !

 

I agree with this.

 

There's a certain POV in the NFL that says if you've identified a QB that you're sold on being the franchise guy, there's really no such thing as reaching. You just go get him. And even if we miss out on Luck and Barkley, there's still a whole host of other potential franchise QB's that may be out there that I'm not going to blame the franchise if they drafted a guy in the 5 spot that people feel should have gone 10-15 spots later as long as their conviction is there.

 

Disregard the McCoy sample. I forgot that he was a 3rd round pick.

In no way do I agree with your statement of it being a "short" or "small" sample size. Heck, one of the top ten QBs has already run his career course in the past 5 years. Jamarcus Russell is done - over - finished.

With your latest statements what you have disregarded are the things that I mentioned earlier. Quarterback reigns supreme in the NFL but:

2011 NFL Draft

2. Denver Broncos - Were they set at quarterback? They just released their opening day starter for pete's sake.
3. Buffalo Bills - Were they set at quarterback? They gave a backup HUGE money.
4. Cincinatti Bengals - Who knew they were taking a QB in the second round with Carson Palmer in question?
5. Arizona Cardinals - Kevin Kolb via free agency. Who knew that in December of last year?
6. Atlanta Falcons - Who knew they would give up their entire draft for this spot?
7. San Fransisco - Why in the hell didn't THEY pick a QB with the track record of Alex Smith?
8. Tennessee Titans - They took a QB in free agency and then took a QB because he was sitting there at 8.
9. Dallas Cowboys - A team that had a Quarterback and he was injured the year prior. Sounds all too familiar.

The point is that too much is made around here about EVERY team is in line for a QB. When the fact is that they are not. There is ONE team that is freaking desperate, has attempted every other avenue, and is known to be without a doubt in the market for a QB. That team is us.....

 

Exactly, but I figured I would use term 'reach' here.

 

No Qb converts 100% of Red Zone chances for TD's Ozman, no one, "if" the D had held the lead, which was their job, this conversation would be moot.

 

We had a lead with 3:30 left in the game, the offense never touched the ball again, the D simply folded like a cheap suit.

Wally B baby!



I will say this, Wpg better have Jovan Johnson locked up, that dude is one hell of a player D22, reminds me of Vontae Davis, only he returns punts as well.

Do you happen to know where I can find a list of 2012 CFL Free Agents?

I'm like the only dude (AFAIK) who bothers to do a annual CFL to NFL thread and without a list of who will be available, things are much more difficult to do.

 

I am not sure who I would notify since none of the brass who is responsible for selecting players in the 2012 draft, are now with the team. Besides, I have no doubt that next GM and HC will be smart enough to avoid drafting a 29 year old rookie QB who will be lucky if he is a good backup in the NFL.

 

No, im talking two different plays. The one where he threw out of the endzone, he had Hartline open, which may not have been turned into a TD but it was a first down for sure.

 

I'm not taking anything away from what happened on defense. We're talking about how the Qb played. Moore had chances in this game to score Td's and he didn't. Had he scored one Td instead of settling for a FG they would have won the game. Moore has great touch on his passes. He is a borderline starter/great backup. What I see, that he does not do enough of, is see the entire field and use it to what the defense is offering.

 

At this point I think we need to draft a QB of the future with Matt Moore going into 2012 as the starter. I think that would be simple enough in my opinion. Matt Moore has played well and deserves a fair chance at being a full time starter. I wouldn't be shocked if we passed on a QB in the first round but that better mean we are giving a look to a possible second rounder (Weeden). Robert Griffin is my unanimous pick at this point.

 

Just curious how you know this.

 

For every Kurt Warner there's a John Beck and Chris Wienke.

Building your team around an aging QB is just stupid no matter who it is.

 

There is absolutely nothing stupid about getting a player who can help your team win.

 

Its stupid trying to take a short cut to the Super Bowl and that's what that is.

We've tried that since Marino retired and it hasn't worked. We need to build this team to win long term.

 

Will keep an eye out for you and send you what I find. Jovon is a heck of player in the CFL ,first DB to be named defensive player of the year , he is small though .

 

here is something pads ....

http://www.esksfans.com/forum/showthread.php?28382-2012-CFL-Free-Agents

 

We tried what? Drafting a 28 year old Qb that could be one of the best Qb's in the draft? I dont think we've seen that tried just yet.

Again, it is far from stupid to draft a Qb that will make your team better for the next 6-7 seasons. Teams do something fairly similar all the time. They draft a Rb with their top picks and they last 5-6 seasons on average....

 

This guy is looking more and more likely to come out. An LA Times writer recently wrote an article about how all the signs point to him coming out, and Lane Kiffin seems resigned to it as well:

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