****Official 2012 MIAMI MARLINS Thread****

He misses something like 50 games a year on average. At minimum, his contract needs to reflect that.

 

No contest from me on that. His agent won't buy it though unfortunately. Someone always overpays, and unfortunately we all suffer when they do.

 

Lmao, no he doesn't. He had that one bad year three seasons ago. Since then he hasn't been as bad.

 

Well I was talking to Desides but, yea you are.

 

Out of 1,458 possible games (over 9 seasons) he's played in 1,050. That's 116.7 games per year. Rounding up to 117 to be charitable, subtracting from 162, we get… 45 games per year missed.

He is a major injury risk. If we sign him, his contract needs to account for that risk in some manner. Even then, I'm not sure I'd be satisfied with that, given that our two best players were also hurt throughout the 2011 season.

 

That was early on his career, but ok.

Either way, the contract is set to be about 3 seasons, so if he signs it will not be a big risk.

 

Jose Reyes Rap Video

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His career games played stat is a parabola. Missed a lot of games early on, had a 4 year stretch where he played in almost every game, and then fell off a cliff again. He's plateaued at missing "only" about 35 games per season over the last two seasons. The guy is an injury risk. Look past his talent here, because there's more than just talent that has to be evaluated. What good is being a great player if he's out of your lineup so often?

That said, if he's the best player we can sign at a contract that mitigates his injury risk, then okay, we're a better team as a result of this signing. But let's not just dismiss the facts because they're inconvenient to the praising of the talent.

 

I disagree because I don't think he "fell off a cliff again" after that 4 year stretch. Did he get injured? Yes. But in the last 2 seasons he played on average 132 games. That's not bad. Certainly not bad enough to not sign him to a 3 year deal. If you want to be that cautious trade away Hanley and JJ, too.

Edit: I meant in the last two seasons he's averaged 132 games.

 

What is this? I don't even...









Can't be any worse than Pitbull... meh.

 

And this measure ignores the 2009 where he missed 130 games, is my point. You're being very selective by just saying "the last two seasons", which by the way is not very encouraging for a guy who wants a huge contract.

I'm just saying you're giving him a bit of a pass that he doesn't deserve.

 

I'm going by the most recent events. The last two seasons, he's played a fair amount of games. Your being way, way to cautious. His signing will make this team much better, so the risk is worth it. Especially when that risk might only be 3 or 4 seasons.

 

The risk is the manner in which the money is paid out per season, not how many seasons there are in the total contract.

 

And the risk is worth it now that we have the money to spend it.

Also, the length is very important.

 

Size matters, but it's thickness and width they want...

(790 The Ticket)

 

Lmao, hopefully Dan lebatard does a rant for us when we sign Pujols, Reyes, Fielder, The Cuban, Madson and Mark Buehrle!

 

Give it to me again!!! Give. It. To. Me. Again!!!


*sits patiently in wait for Marlins to get it done*

 

It seems so much easier to rap in Spanish.

 

Also hearing Hanley isnt happy if he has to move from SS

 

Yup, thats the word, but they may have to up that some to land him. Then there is the whole will HanRam move or not move to 3B or CF, etc.

 

Hanley said he'd move to 3B for Reyes, who's a good friend of his.

 

I think Hanley may have changed his mind

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I think it was Clark who said that despite being the godfather their friendship isn't what it seems. But it is possible he could have changed his mind. Or maybe he is upset that no one in the organization has talked to him about it.

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Hanley will move without conflict once Reyes is signed. But I don't think we should minimize Reyes' injury issues. Players do not get healthier as they get older.

It's absolutely a risk, but every other big name FA has their warts too, and it's about damn time we get to act like an actual MLB team.

 

Yeah they do. Look at Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens

 

Reyes in a vaccum doesn't make much sense for the Marlins but if you look at the larger view I get it.

Dominguez has been a dissapointment thus far, so if you can get a premier SS and shore up 3rd base with a guy who is already your best player you clear up that problem and add a premier player.

While albert and fielder are better players, you'd have to trade Gaby, a young cheap all star caliber player or play him extremely out of position.

 

I agree with your overall premise, but I disagree with Dominguez being a disappointment. He's been very young for his level every year and has held his own.

 

6 years I do not like.

 

Anything less than 5 was a pipe dream. Top flight FA's don't take short-term deals.

 

I really didn't think it was a pipe dream for Reyes. If he signed, say a 3 or 4 year deal, he'd still be in line for another good contract.

 

Any word on free agents besides Reyes? I feel like we're chasing after the least necessary big-name player.

 

We gave offers to Madson, Buehrle, Pujols and we're in the hunt for the Cuban. We're also rumored to Gio Gonzalez and James Shields.

 

Outside of Buerhle or another top shelf starter, none of the guys we've made offer too are really "necessary". I mean, Gaby is a really good young 1B, although he will never be as good as Albert or Prince, they may not be worth $120 million more than Gaby.

As to Reyes, he makes sense if you're confident that Hanley won't sulk about moving to 3rd and will do well there. If so, then you kill two birds with one stone and you don't have to rely on Dominguez or sign a corpse like Aramis Ramirez. If you sign albert or Prince, you probably have to trade Gaby as he doesn't have the range for 3B.

None of this is a suggestion that I wouldn't be thrileld to have albert or Fielder.

 

I would love to have Pujols if the deal is 5 years, not 10. I've come around on Reyes at 5 years, too.

I think the odds of Pujols are low, though.

 

I agree the odds are low, but if a team like the Marlins is ever going to have a shot at players of the caliber of Pujols/fielder and Reyes, this is it.

With the big market teams sitting this one out, unless the Cubs or Angels jump in at the last minute, there simply is no market to drive the price. I would go 10 yrs, $220 for albert. That leaves us at approximately $80 million in payroll and still leave us some flexibility to grab a starter in the $7-8 million range. Might even get Buerhle at that price.

Just depends how high the payroll is actually going to be.

 

St. Louis offered him more and he turned them down. If you want Pujols, your going to have to offer at least 25 million, which we did.

Also, signing Pujols would put us around 90 million, if not more.

 

Touche'!

Although, situations are different. I'm not suggesting the possibility of landing the best player in the game is low. The payroll is an issue. If rumors are true though and we intend to double it, then I think the chances of landing Pujols here are higher.

Also, we offered 24 millon a season, not 25. My mistake.