So I was Trolling the Colts forum after our win today.

They are important but they are not important enough to make a winless and inept squad Super Bowl contenders.
I'd be shocked to think you really believe that.

 

Personally I'd rather see them win. SFL sucked.

 

The Colts and Dolphins play each other next year since we'll both finish in last place. Maybe we'll be one of the surprise teams (ie: Bengals, Bills, 49ers, Lions this year) so it means something.

Those @$$****s are our former rivals...I still don't like them!

Oh and I hope they beat the Jaguars next week.

 

Exposes what a fraud Bill Polian is.

 

Yes, they are that important. Look at the roster of teams that routinely make the playoffs and you'll see great QB play.

 

I think they just want him since they're aware that QBs are important and Manning won't play forever. Hell, this neck injury might even be a career ender. For them to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that they'll never have to fill that need is moronic. That kind of thinking gets you 15 years of Frerotte, Culpepper, Lemon, Beck, Henne, etc.

 

Even if we don't get the number one pick. QB has still got to be top priority in the draft.

 

If we dont get #1, we should settle for next. I really dont like the idea of mortgaging a couple 3 #1s and some #2s for a player. I know he is good, but its an awful lot to gamble on one player. Plus we need to draft a playmaker safety. There hasnt been an interception since the Browns game and only one by the entire secondary!

 

Seriously, seems like a one-trick pony (colt, pony, get it) in Indy. Good thing for him he didn't pick Leaf.

 

That's not the discussion.

You are insinuating that a great QB can carry a team that otherwise would be a bottomfeeding team. In this instance a winless team.
Completely different discussion.

Are you going to tell me that teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers, Giants, Cowboys, etc. realistically drop every game if they simply lose their QB?
Horsecrap.
The team will suffer but the team will not collapse.
The Colts are collapsing.
They have more talent than that.

They need to give them skirts to wear on game days from here on out.

 

Living in Indy....I hate the Colts and I hate the Colts fans. Dirt Bags....it really burns me up that I couldn't even rub this season in their face because of how bad we suck. I hope that team never wins again.

 

I already did from the days they were in our division. I have always hated the Colts more than the Bills. **** 'em. They are losing games on purpose and their roster will be packed with guys that are losers and they will always be looked at as a team that TOTALLY tanked a season. Bill Polian is a douche bag and their coach is being exposed as what he is, absolutely awful. I hope Peyton torpedoes the franchise at some point, forces a release or a trade and then kicks their asses for 3 or 4 more years.

 

The Colts know Manning is coming to his end, maybe a year or two left whats wrong with having Luck sit for a year or two behind manning and learn the system than come in and 15 years later they are still a contending team. Wish this organization would think things through instead of trying to win meaningless games and stalling us once again..

 

There is no way in hell the Colts draft Luck. If they end up with the #1 overall pick, they'll trade it for one last Super Bowl push with Manning.

1. They're not gonna dump Peyton for an unproven college kid.
2. They're not gonna draft Luck and have him sit for 2-3 years. Its not like Luck is some raw prospect. He's the most NFL-ready QB to come out since Manning. He's gonna want to play.

 

The Colts will take Luck. Peyton may never play again and they owe him $28 million next season, which is more guaranteed money than Luck's whole rookie contract will be

 

I think luck can get past Cam's contract of 4 yrs 22 mill.

 

And yet… this is the same basic roster that the Colts have had for years. Same core players—Mathis, Freeney, Bethea, Wayne, Addai, Saturday, etc—same systems, same schemes, same philosophical concepts. And they're winless without Peyton Manning. For all your resisting the concept, the evidence is right before your eyes and you're willingly overlooking it.

To expound, the Patriots are currently fielding the worst pass defense in their franchise history, and yet they're on course to make the playoffs yet again. Take Tom Brady away from them, and that historically bad pass defense leads the way to a team that's in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes.

Quarterback at this point has become a more important position than even head coach. Not general manager, but certainly the head coach. It may eventually become more important than the general manager at this pace.

What does he need to get past? There's now a slotted rookie wage scale in the NFL. Luck's contract will be very similar to Cam Newton's.

 

And to think that's what winning one game this year could cost us in terms of picks. The Colts are smart, we are not. You could say we have more integrity than them, but I don't give a crap, I just want to win consistently again.

 

And Peyton Manning still doesn't have more rings than his brother.

They had Tom Brady taken away for a season, and won 10 games.

The QB position is absolutely the most important position in sports. You absolutely need a QB thats among the top ten in the league to be a serious contender. But that doesn't mean that if you don't get the best QB prospect you're doomed to mediocrity. It just means a franchise QB isn't going to be gifted to you. You're going to have to find him. Whether that be Barkley, Weeden, Jones, or some guy that nobody here even knows.

 

Excuse my spelling- Luck is the most hyped prospect and will at least get more money guaranteed to him. I know about the rookie wage scale.

 

I think everyone in Indy would take the Giants roster with Peyton over the current Colts roster with Peyton.

11, and they had a core of players that are now gone. They also weren't as bad on defense then as they are now; they've declined successively since 2006.

I don't quite think you're following my argument if that's what you think I'm saying.

 

Can't give the farm up for Luck. If we win more games and get the 5-8 slot. Grab BPA

 

The wage scale doesn't inflate annually. Luck's contract will be very similar to Cam Newton's, including guaranteed money.

A more interesting question is how much money Barkley, Weeden, etc will be guaranteed.

 

There is just something wrong with fans rooting for their HOF Qb to stay unhealthy so they can draft his replacement.

 

But it's our fan base's culture that needs to be changed, according to some.

 

No, I'm following. You think that getting the best QB prospect gives us a better chance of winning than getting the 2nd or 3rd best QB prospect.

But my point is precisely what you stated earlier. Eli has won as many rings as Peyton, because he's had a better team around him. In this case, the 2nd or 3rd QB prospect has as many rings as the #1 QB prospect. Us ending up with the #1 pick as opposed to the #6 pick, would entail that our roster is much closer to the Colts' than it is the Giants'. I would rather finish the year with a lot of young talent going toward its prime and draft the 2nd best QB prospect, than finish the year with a bunch of players that have proven to be pretty bad and draft the best QB prospect.

 

lol @ "Andrea Luck"............. Chicks in the NFL.........

 

Lol, I think there is a big difference between a fan base hoping to actually get a franchise Qb after a decade of failing to find one versus a fan base hoping their HOF Qb never plays again because of a career ending injury. If I was a Colt fan I'd be hoping Peyton comes back healthy because a healthy Peyton Manning is their best bet to win a title.

 

It's sad when Colts fans are wearing made up jersey's with #12 and Luck on the back.

 

I'd trade 1 year of my superstar QB being out if it meant I'm guaranteed an additional 10-15 years of elite QB play. You can't just ignore the reality that players become less effective over the years. Not to mention that Peyton's injury is very serious and there's absolutely zero guarantee that he'll ever be the same player again.

 

All those trade scenarios are quite reasonable for a franchise QB

 

If we land in the 2 or 3 spot I think my trade offers stop at Luck for our draft this year. Anything more is simply unreasonable and Im cool with drafting Barkley at that point. Maybe SFL is now BFB (Bad For Barkley)?

 

Fart For Bark?

Even if the Colts are willing to trade to trade the #1 overall pick, the Dolphins aren't willing to do it. Just go with Plan B - draft Barkley. Just hope Barkley enters next year's draft.

 

I'm starting to think we'll end up drafting 6th or 7th with Luck, Barkley, and Jones off the board. Hypothetically, if that's the case, do you reach for Tannehill at that spot or do you wait till the 2nd for Weeden?

 

The entire draft for a franchise QB? Where do I sign?

Better yet, if they want a 2012's 2nd and 4th, plus a first the following year, I'd be all over that as well. Substitute Wake as a 2nd, or Vontae Davis as a first as you see fit.

 

I would never have wished injury on Marino when he played here. I guess its a silly notion for fans to have loyalty towards great players, guess I'm just silly that way. Hoping for Manning to remain hurt and not recover so you can take Luck is disgusting, if thats being a fan then I'm not one.

 

It is going to take one of the biggest deals in history to land Luck via trade. I think people don't really understand how much it will take just to move up 1 or 2 slots to take Luck.

 

Just draft the best QB prospect available to us, then do it again every year until we have to trade one or two for draft picks.

 

It would be similar to what Eli Manning went for, IMO. Probably our 1st and 2nd round picks in 2012 along with our 1st round pick in 2013 plus some late round pick... assuming we're picking in the top five. I just don't believe it's going to be something crazy like three first and second round picks with two starters like some are suggesting.

 

It will be because the salary difference is far more favorable and the prospect is better.