It was the expectations that derailed him here. People wanted to punish him for failing to live up to 9th overall pick expectations. But the evaluation at that point was whether he was worth more to the team than the 5th round pick we traded him for. A 4th WR that spread defenses and was a threat on returns was worth more to us than a 5th round pick (and I liked the Carroll pick). We lost out on that trade to SF b/c they listened to the fans. (Putting aside how stupid it is to listen to the fans) It's similar to the kind of thinking that some are employing now with Marshall.
Bottom line is that the players aren't playing and the coaches aren't coaching. IMO, the players are [more than] capable of playing but I don't believe the coaches are capable of much of anything. With that said, we can play next year with the exact same roster with a competent coaching staff and we're 8-8, at least, IMHOOC.
I dont understand why some people here are blaming marshall for anything, its a fu**in joke, especially with how the rest of the team looks (other than dthomas). and matt moore as our qb. Its like if I sent 50 guys to war and only two of them are carrying pistols vs 50 guys with machine guns and blaming the guys with the pistols for us losing the war, wtffffff. I know Bmarsh is a beast and had no problem gettin away from revis but the guy is not gonna win a game by himself without any help, its not like thomas was running particularly well anyway. Marshall is feeding off of negative energy and bad play around him, the guy is not some kind of superhero or magician hes just a damn good receiver who needs a qb. Its impossible for him to come from denver after playing with two "good" qbs if you will, looking like a top 5 receiver if not the best and all of a sudden take a sh**, IMPOSSIBLE.
there was plenty of excuses for henne, not just from fans but the whole team and staff... why do you think he was still our qb and a majority of us believed he shoulda been
Nice try man but this football team needs to score TD's and Marshall is not pulling his weight in that department. That is his job and he is not getting it done. No excuses allowed anymore.
Standards that I have set for him? No secret that the entire planet has higher expectations than 1 TD in five games and 3 in one season for Marshall. Are these incredibly anemic numbers your standards? If so you are allowing way more tolerance than every other Dolphin fan in existence. I don't think TD production is too much ask from your so-called #1 WR. That is his job. To catch footballs and score TD's. He isn't doing a good job at either in Miami.
He tries to get under peoples skin like that. I've been warned to and I dont give a ****. He calls us out all the time and its bull****
I thought the reason a defense has great cornerbacks is so that they can bring their safeties down in the box to stop the run since they don't have to help the corners in coverage. So I don't know if you can make Crom and Revis tacklers all game long. You are going to be running up against a 8 and 9 man box once the Jets know you aren't throwing it.
of course, but henne gets valid criticism, yet marshall has sep rules for him, perfection expected from chad yet marshall allowed to drop multiple tds and still be elite. judge all you want but be honest in your bias
Marshall doesn't have seperate rules. Everyone has criticized him for his six drops, 5 of which should have been touchdowns. No one has called him elite. We all agree that he's dropped out of the top 5. The difference between Henne and Marshall is Marshall is still a top 10 receiver while Henne is no where near a top 10 QB.
??? I was referring to how some ppl talk out of both sides of their mouths. It's quite a natural thing to do, make all kinds of excuses for one but will not tolerate them for another. I wasn't judging either, just making an observation.
my issue is this and noone seems to have an aswer is this, why do we excuse the drops by calling marshall a top ten wr, yet say henne isnt top ten qb yet judge him as u expect top ten results? marshall is viewed as current top ten based 2 yrs ago, yet last 2 yrs he hasnt played like one, thats totally him not the things caused by poor qb play? expectations and judgments should be grounded in reality
He has played like a top ten receiver for the past two seasons, this one included. And like I said, we're not excusing him. I just told you that. Everyone blasted him for it, and everyone is dissapointed that he hasn't performed like a top 5 receiver, especially touchdown wise.
sorry top ten receivers dont have 5 to 6 dropped td passes in 5games, to ignore those and call him top 10 is pure bias. IMHO henne wasnt top ten, the options to replace him this yr werent either was my point, he was also playing well enuff that w/ help from the wr more results could have been better, but that is the point, we say henne isnt top ten but expect him to overcome mistakes of others, doesnt make sense, stupid.really
henne is also done as a phin cause he didnt produce when it mattered, but neither has marshall and since marshall was or is considered elite, he should be held to a higher standard
It is fair to say Marshall isn't a top ten receiver at this point, based on this season. I disagree, but I can understand why you think so. He has dissapointed us tremendously. However, to compare Henne and Marshall is still silly. Henne is not good while Brandon Marshall is. We have 3 seasons of proof to prove that Henne is not a good player, while we have 5 seasons of proof that Marshall is a very, very good player.
henne isnt good but marshall is? if you are saying over career wise yes no doubt but this season i disagree whole heartedly. imo that statement assumes marshall gets back to what he was, you may believe that and you could be right, i have my doubts. i think the only way he does is change of scenery to a team like NE that can handle his diva attitude
Marshall is still really good. You don't just lose your talent in a 1 year span, especially a WR in his prime.
BlameitontheHenne said it perfectly. If your going to say over his career he's been good, but he's a bad player because he's struggling this season, then nothing will change your mind on him. I also disagree with the fact that he has a diva attitude. Personally, I'm surprised at his behavior in his two seasons in Miami.
No matter how strongly you say it it is still your opinion. Which your entitled to. Just dont buy it and I do know football. He could be top ten again but right now he isnt sorry I can think of ten other receivers I would take over him, simply because a top ten receiver doesnt have more dropped tds than he has tds. The debate to me is the same people that claim anyone supporting henne makes excuses for him yet make excuses for Marshall. Whn pointed out all anyone can say is he is a top ten receiver. Really? Either way believe what you will, Marshall has shown top ten ability in the past, but when our avg qbs NEEDED the TOP TEN WR to make a play for them, he didnt consistently and only 1 time in the red zone. Think Wes Welker has 6 dropped tds in 5 games? I dont. Andre Johnson? I dont. Think Hines Ward drops 5 td passes that hits his hands? I dont. Hell Davonne Bess doesnt drop 5 td passes in 5 games that hit his hands. SO IMO he isnt top ten, you believe he is go for it. I am not trying to dissuade you. But sorry I aint buyin, the past is teh past, he aint producing. If Henne wasnt good enough simply making plays between teh 20's then to me it certainly aint good enough for Marshall to just make plays between the 20"s. Guess what. it isnt ok for either one of them, that is why Henne is done as a phin. Marshall has more built up good will if you will, so he gets more time, but after some point, the past aint enough. He can play himself back into teh top ten, but right now where it counts, he aint producing and when admittedly you dont have an elite qb, your playmaker which is supposed to be marshall has to make plays and in teh redzone he has failed way more than succeeded in just counting the plays where he had a legitimate shot to make the play. The bad passes are on teh qb, but the bad passes dont exceed the opportunities
Did you know that Wes Welker led the league in drops with 13 a season or so ago? Marshall is most definitely a top Wr in this league. I am not questioning how much you know football either. I am questioning one aspect of it. Get him the right Qb and alot of these debates will go away...
Well, I'm gonna take alot of heat for saying this..but IMO and just my opinion, If Marshall had a better QB I think he would play better.Better offensive playing calls, hit him in stride downfield or cross patterns.I like Marshall and I hope he is a fin til he retires but he's having a tough stretch, and he's not the only one either for that matter.So, no need to just single him out......here it comes..lol
I agree with you yeah hes having a rough time atm but qb's matter to wr more than there own skill. It's not random that Calvin Johnson is putting up his best numbers this year with his qb healthy for once. Also whens the last time someone brought up Larry Fitzgerald since Kurt Warner retired.
Marshall drops footballs from everyone. Henne is an after thought now. Guess what Marshall still dropping footballs....
Marshall needs to make more plays in the endzone and he needs to get more big plays that score points but he is a good receiver. There aren't a lot of guys that can put up the numbers he does, particularly with questionable Qb play. The criticism that he hasn't made redzone plays is legit but this nonsense that he's a bum or that he's the cause for our poor start is just silly.
It isn't just Marshall, IMO. Sparano doesn't run the ball in obvious running situations because he does not have any confidence at all in the offensive line to get any push at all. Sparano was an offensive lineman and an offensive line coach. He knows when people can't get the job done and why. He is coaching for his job. He wants the touchdown more than any of us do. But he has completely given up on his offensive line, and views Marshall as his only workable option in goal line situations. In the last series the OP describes, the defense got penetration and stopped Thomas twice, once for no gain and once for a loss. Do you then go back to what isn't working, or do you target your big stud wide receiver and count on him to fight for the ball in the end zone? It's not as high percentage a play as it would be if you have a half decent offensive line that can get you the one or two yards, but you don't. Is Marshall dropping too many TDs? Obviously. But we shouldn't be in a position to have him as the only option. Have to see reality, as Sparano obviously does. You have, from left to right, a big guy who is sucking it up and playing hurt, a recycled nutcase with no mobility, a smallish rookie who isn't going to be able to move the big boys yet, a washed-up tackle playing out of position, and a monumental blunder anchoring the right side. A better QB would be nice. But the real problem on offense is up front.
13 dropped tds? I am talking dropped tds. I also pointed out that we are talking about passes Marshall dropped that hit him in the hands. not the passes it would take a miraculous effort on Marshalls part to catch. So how a better qb helps Marshal squeeze the ball and catch it is beyond me. Also sorry but a franchise qb doesnt make perfect passes every throw. When a qb puts the ball in the receivers hands within the frame of his body and didnt require a circus act to get in position to get those two hands on it, then the wr needs to catch it, especially a top ten. When pointed out all franchise qbs make bad throws, it was correctly pointed out that yes but in the clutch they stick those throws. Well same applies to franchise wrs, in the clutch, when it counts, the elite wr doesnt drop the ball. That i teh double standard. But again believe what you will, Marshall was a top ten receiver but currently is not playing like one, at least not what I would consider a top ten. if you are saying he has top ten abilities and thus get more buffer, then I can buy that. But he isnt playing to those abilities now IMO and until he does what he did in the past and what he may do in the future is irrelevant to me, we need them now
I played wr, not through collge but in HS, and I can tell you from pee wee through HS I never had 1 single coach that said it was ok that I dropped a ball because teh qb wasnt great. If the ball was in my 2 hands, it was on me that I dropped it. A better qb doesnt help hands. A wr that gets 2 hands on the ball without twisting his body in a pretzel has to catch the ball and no qb can help that it is all on teh wr. And if your saying the wr would focus better and make the effort to catch the ball from a better qb, then that is not a player I want as a leader on my team. That is pure prima donna diva
Stop making sense. Both hands on the ball. The name on the QB's jersey made him drop all those footballs dammit......
